[RavenAvi]

Honda birdies are chirping that the pricing of the all-new Amaze is being mulled between Rs 5.75L - Rs 9.6L for the Indian market.

[sibot]

Originally Posted by RavenAvi

Honda birdies are chirping that the pricing of the all-new Amaze is being mulled between Rs 5.75L - Rs 9.6L for the Indian market.

That would really be the best bracket to price it in. It would knock Dzire out of the park at that price range.

[drmohitg]

Originally Posted by sibot

That would really be the best bracket to price it in. It would knock Dzire out of the park at that price range.

Lets not jump to such conclusions. It may or may not do well in the market but under no logical scenario is it going to knock the Dzire out of the park. Maruti is at a different level and there are multiple factors that help it achieve that cult status. The Dzire would not really see any significant change in numbers regardless of how the Amaze is priced.

[oli.ferns]

It's a similar case to the Alto. Kwid launched and did well by its own standards but could not really dent the Alto sales. The Ford Aspire should also launch soon with a best in class touchscreen and the 1.5 dragon + AT. It will be interesting to see the sales figures post these launches.

[Subby]

As per Autocar India, the power and torque of diesel CVT will be less than its diesel manual transmission model by 20 bhp and 40NM respectively. Can someone shed some light on this information?

Petrol motor is carried over from earlier generation in same state of tune.

[dark.knight]

Originally Posted by Subby

As per Autocar India, the power and torque of diesel CVT will be less than its diesel manual transmission model by 20 bhp and 40NM respectively. Can someone shed some light on this information?

Petrol motor is carried over from earlier generation in same state of tune.

That is to avoid denting the City diesel sales.. because City should have an engine in a higher state of tune because its a bigger car, costs more money and is a halo product for Honda. If Amaze has the same engine specs and an automatic at that, it may even affect City petrol CVT sales. The de-tune will result in good fuel efficiency.

However, mechanically/technically I've also read somewhere that perhaps Honda has revised peak-torque to come in early and for the engine to perform at lower revs and more freely so that the ill-effects of the CVT are negated to a degree. A diesel has more torque and should naturally offer better pick-up than the petrol CVT.. what it will lack is the top-end but who cares about that highly overrated breathable engine, this car should be able to hit 100 all day long, anything more isn't needed and average city speeds don't go above 40.

[TusharK]

Honda is gearing up to launch the second-generation Amaze on May 16, 2018. The new Amaze will be available with two engine options and 4 variants - E, S, V and VX.



The new Amaze was first revealed at the 2018 Auto Expo. It is based on an all-new platform and features a new design package. The front fascia is more upright and features a thick chrome garnish. The headlights get integrated L-shaped LED DRLs, while the front bumper houses a set of fog lamps. The car has redesigned boot lid with new tail lamp clusters and ORVMs with integrated LED turn signals. The new Amaze gets dual-tone interiors with a 3-spoke multi-functional steering wheel and a twin-pod instrument cluster, while the centre console houses a 7-inch touchscreen infotainment system.

The new Amaze will be offered with a choice of two engines. The 1.2-litre petrol unit makes 89 BHP @ 6,000 rpm and 110 Nm of torque @ 4,800 rpm. The 1.5-litre diesel engine produces 99 BHP @ 3,600 rpm and a peak torque of 200 Nm @ 1,750 rpm. Both engines will be available with either a 5-speed manual gearbox or a CVT. Compared to the diesel MT, the diesel automatic version has slightly less power and torque. The engine makes 79 BHP and 160 Nm.

Earlier this month, Honda had opened its order books for the second-generation Honda Amaze. Dealerships are accepting bookings for a token amount of Rs. 21,000.

Source: ET Auto

Link to Team-BHP News

[swiftdiesel]

Really looking forward to this one doing well. I really love the new Amaze as it ticks most of the boxes.

Originally Posted by TusharK

The 1.5-litre diesel engine produces 99 BHP @ 3,600 rpm and a peak torque of 200 Nm @ 1,750 rpm.

I guess there's a mistake with the torque figures of the 1.5 diesel. The new torque figure is a flat torque curve from 1500 - 3500 RPM for the manual transmission. I reckon this is the highlight of this engine.

[blackwasp]

Originally Posted by swiftdiesel

I guess there's a mistake with the torque figures of the 1.5 diesel. The new torque figure is a flat torque curve from 1500 - 3500 RPM for the manual transmission. I reckon this is the highlight of this engine.

Please refer this post for the spec sheet as well as the graphs shown during the presentation before the drive -

Originally Posted by RavenAvi

So, the all-new Amaze gets a detuned 80PS/160Nm diesel engine for the CVT option.

There seems to be some discrepancy here but the spec sheet would be accurate.

[swiftdiesel]

I have a feeling that the presentation slide may be right. These slides are usually proof checked and if there was a discrepancy the presenter would have noticed the mistake. Even the graph shows the flat torque. If it was in error Honda can't be forgiven for their carelessness.

[CrAzY dRiVeR]

Originally Posted by swiftdiesel

These slides are usually proof checked

Proof checked? . Here's a list of proof checked wordings I noticed after another BHPian pointed out a couple of major blunders on their slides. To quote his words -

Originally Posted by aravind.anand

Who prepares the slides for Honda for these presentations? Their part-time interns?

- 'Class top' rear seating
- 'Class top' trunk capacity.
- 'Attractive' diesel engine.

- Nose which 'express' strength
- Main Applied Technology: Fuel consumption technology (For iDTEC)
- Main Applied Technology: Combustion Technology (For iVTec).

- Safety Feature: Proper arrangement of steel plates.
- Neck alleviate impact Front seat.
- Failure reduction body.

- Safety for everyone by Honda original standard
- Driver's 'seat Seat' belt reminder.
- Driver's seat i-SRS 'system' airbag 'system'.

Originally Posted by swiftdiesel

Even the graph shows the flat torque. If it was in error Honda can't be forgiven for their carelessness.

That said, even I doubt a graph could be wrong too. Mostly the CVT variant would be detuned and possibly due to the torque limitations of the CVT transmission?

[vaasscit]

Originally Posted by dark.knight

That is to avoid denting the City diesel sales.. because City should have an engine in a higher state of tune because its a bigger car, costs more money and is a halo product for Honda. If Amaze has the same engine specs and an automatic at that, it may even affect City petrol CVT sales. The de-tune will result in good fuel efficiency.

But the MT variant shares the same engine spec with city isn't ?
I believe this de-tune has more to do with the torque capability of the CVT unit ! These CVTs were mostly coupled with Petrol engines (makes less torque compared to diesel engines)

Plus the torsional vibrations from diesel engines are inherently more than their petrol counterparts so i believe Honda wanted to play it safe with the input torque and hence this de-tune.

[Redline6800]

I was at Whitefield Honda BLR yesterday and they have a competition going.

Guess the price of the VX version of the new Amaze and win an iphoneX.

I dropped in my bid

But Honda seems to have done a good job here - the interiors look swell and the car has loads of features - nothing path breaking - but good sensible stuff.

Though I do think that the Dezire is the better looker on the outside - if Honda delivers a good sold flex free interior - it could help better manage the brand perception, now, that their cars are tinny and feel cheap.

[RM Motorsports]

Walk Around: New Honda Amaze by TopGear India.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jRIDLqz_Eg

Infotainment system on 'V' variant according to the video.

[volkman10]

Amaze - First Drive review - OverDrive

The new CVT is very impressive – you barely feel the rubber band effect thanks to the seven steps on offer and I was also impressed with how quickly the gearbox responds to throttle inputs, in the petrol and diesel both. Even more impressive is the fact that you can barely tell the power deficit in the diesel automatic thanks to how efficient the CVT is in terms of sending power to the front wheels. The petrol automatic even manages to sound sporty though the diesel feels quicker and punchier on the road. From behind the wheel the new Amaze is reasonably engaging to drive but not overly sporty and feels well-balanced considering the intended target audience

Both engines are also tuned to offer strong bottom end and midrange grunt though top end performance has been compensated, considering that urban jungles will be the car's typical domain. The Amaze feels confident on the highway though and is well-mannered at high speeds, offering a planted feel even clipping at speeds. The steering wheel has a slightly delayed response dialed, though feedback offered is good. The steering feels heavy at crawling speeds though and I would have liked a lighter feel, especially when trying to park in cramped spaces

Source

Car and Bike:

the Amaze diesel automatic is underpowered, when compared to the manual, though the engine is the same

The power kicks in, at around 1800 rpm, and the CVT keeps feeding in the power to you, which is great on the highway and even within the city. It just eases the way you drive in traffic conditions too and that's the biggest take away. There's also a 5-speed manual transmission, on offer, but the clutch is a little heavy and even the gear changes a bit sloppy

Honda has worked on the NVH levels too, on the car; but frankly, we noticed just a marginal change. The diesel still is noisy and when it goes above 3000 rpm, the noise seeps into the cabin, which really is a concern. But, things are a bit different, in the petrol variant

The petrol automatic, though, carries a bit of the rubber band effect and that's something of a let-down.

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ACI:

Power and torque have been reduced by 20 percent to 80hp and 160Nm, but the good news is that the Amaze doesn’t drive like it’s got such a deficit. In fact, off the line, you’d be hard-pressed to feel the reduced power. The CVT works brilliantly and complements this engine’s responsive nature very nicely.

The petrol is the familiar 90hp, 1.2-litre engine and there's hardly any change in the way it drives.

Unfortunately, the weak mid-range of this engine is also carried over, which calls for frequent gear changes to get most of out it. This lack of mid-range punch is most noticeable in fourth gear when overtaking on the highway. Floor it in fourth and the engine bogs down; so you have to drop down to third constantly to get a move on. Part of the problem is because Honda has used taller fourth and fifth gear ratios in the interests of fuel economy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGbFMRnlynw