[drmohitg]

Originally Posted by ashlil

Well. So much for all the talks about "power to surprise" and "aggressive pricing". This is Creta level pricing and hence Creta level overpricing. And absolutely no surprises.

Thanks for making that excellent point. Creta has been over priced all along, not considering the fact that it sells so much due to lack of another alternative. But everyone seems to have taken it's price as the new normal.

[Logan2007]

The Hector doesn't have BS6 engines so some premium in Seltos is offset by that. Size and road presence, off course no match. Also the 2L engine.

Kia definitely is hoping for a Creta repeat.

[Reinhard]

Originally Posted by ashlil

This is Creta level pricing and hence Creta level overpricing. And absolutely no surprises.
...
Given that Creta sells, this will also sell. But, it is not really disruptive.

Originally Posted by drmohitg

Thanks for making that excellent point. Creta has been over priced all along, not considering the fact that it sells so much due to lack of another alternative. But everyone seems to have taken it's price as the new normal.

The points are right. But then - look at the Creta's competition. Cars like the Safari Storme, Scorpio & XUV500 are priced just under - equal - and even way over the prices of Creta's trims in their own various trims. Agreed they are larger. But simply look at the kit on offer, the quality, the finish & the practicality of the car. These cars should be costly only if the price is only a function of "weight of steel".

1 look & test drive of those cars makes the Creta look worth the money spent. Its priced high no doubt - but it brings more bang for the buck compared to similarly priced cars.

That reflects in the sales numbers of these cars immediately. Customers aren't all stupid to just blindly pay more for a brand.

[PrideRed]

The top spec Kia will breach the 20L barrier in Bangalore A lot of sales will be driven by the base and mid variant like the Creta. Seltos along with Venue look potent enough to destroy Creta's dominance. I don't the experience, but the dealerships look too bland.

[deepjaju]

Pricing is at par and as per Creta. But Kia offers more value when compared to Creta.
Sales volumes will stay within the family but customers get an updated car with almost the same dimensions as the Creta with loads of features, higher fit & finish, newer updated engines, new transmissions.
Considering all those I feel Kia has handsomely priced the Seltos. Besides in a couple of years Seltos would gain all the volume lost by the Creta until the new gen Creta arrives.

[vDragon3]

Originally Posted by r0nit7

How does the same equipment cost as much as 1.2Lakhs for a diesel
Price difference between HTE & HTK:
Petrol = 30,000/-
Diesel = 1,20,000/-

Difference between HTK and HTK+ is more than 2L. If the rear windshield washer, wiper, defogger is available in HTK then it would be the most economical variant to go with. Hope manufacturers considers these as standard safety features.

Price difference between base and top end variant is really huge and potential customers will really have to think spending the extra amount for the features provided.

Can someone enlighten which variant is getting the additional airbags?

[sandhyab]

Originally Posted by Reinhard

Ask anyone who has a Hyundai in India and they'll disagree. Hyundai has come a long way & they are good in engineering. No doubt about it.

Anyway - my point was totally different than what you took it for. I meant KIA can boast of "originality" in pedigree while people always argue "MG = Chienese product with Korean basics & British logo slapped on".
That was the point.

Hyundai/KIA engineering I will rate as better than GM-Daewoo. We have seen products from both.

No point in arguing since its only a matter of perception of individuals, however Hyundai is only known for decently reliable, they have not engineered anything exceptional at all when compared to something like Cruze.


Also, ofcourse awaiting further reviews from more reliable sources like T-BHP, however again personally to me Hector's build quality and showroom quality oozed of premiumness, whereas Seltos seems to be run of the mill average car to me.

[dadu]

Originally Posted by Reinhard

I don't know about the AT as I have not driven it. But if you want the sheer joy of driving a poweful torquee diesel engine - go for the 1.6 CRDi Creta. Sheer pleasure.

Also would suggest to drive the Hexa AT.

I have driven Creta AT and Hexa AT, Creta stands nowhere near Hexa in peppyness, driving pleasure and comfort, if you are focusing only on the driving pleasure part of it.

[Torque_Curve]

Here's the brochure for the Seltos:

Kia Seltos Brochure.PDF

[anu21v]

Originally Posted by Logan2007

The Hector doesn't have BS6 engines so some premium in Seltos is offset by that. Size and road presence, off course no match. Also the 2L engine.

I wrote it in Hector Thread and let me write it again here.


That 2.0L Diesel engine, borrowed from Fiat, is already BS-VI compliant.


Think the reason why they are still selling it as BS-IV compliant maybe because

(a) the 1.5 Turbo Petrol may not be BS-VI compliant even though Diesel is already compliant; and

(b) They want to ensure to have the opportunity for price increase as they are giving out BS-VI compliant car in BS-IV sales market and thus have reduced the price to remain competitive against existing players who all are selling BS-IV right now.

[dksv]

The helpful price chart from Autocar that puts everything in good perspective.

[anu21v]

Originally Posted by deepjaju

Pricing is at par and as per Creta. But Kia offers more value when compared to Creta.

I think it will keep looking like VFM till the time someone questions KIA on NCAP Ratings (I know its not applicable for India but Still Tata Announced it for Nexon). my personal opinion but thats where all the VFM-ness comes from.

Gladly Hector Hasn't compromised on Structure, and I hope even Seltos hasn't compromised on that.

Someone should put the KERB weight alongside the dimensional comparison to put this thing in perspective.

[Reinhard]

Originally Posted by dksv

The helpful price chart from Autocar that puts everything in good perspective.

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Good one. Thanks for this.

If Autocar doesn't remove the Duster from such lists - there are going to be jokes & memes about ACI going viral on Twitter & whatsapp for this insistance on including a Duster in comparisons.

[Behemoth]

Originally Posted by anu21v

I wrote it in Hector Thread and let me write it again here.


That 2.0L Diesel engine, borrowed from Fiat, is already BS-VI compliant.
.

Not correct. The Jeep Compass is BS6 ready, but not BS6 compliant. The difference is that the BS6 compliant engine (which Jeep currently offers only in the Trailhawk version ) has the AdBlue tank and also different exhaust system which makes it BS6 Compliant. All other Compass diesel variants are not having this system. BS6 ready means they have a Bs4 engine which can run on Bs6 fuel without issues. When Jeep uogrades all its engines to Bs6 compliant, there will also be a cost increase passed on to customers.
The engine in the Hector (currently) is also the Bs4 version of the Compass engine, but will be changed to Bs6 by next year.
In the Seltos, both the petrol and diesel engines are BS6 compliant from day One (now)

[autoenthu88]

I had pre booked the Seltos, but I'm having second thoughts over the pricing, the new Elantra face lift is coming mid September, the auto version will be priced along similar lines on the GTX+ DCT, moving to a higher segment may be a better choice than buying the top end Seltos at the moment.