[paragsachania]

Originally Posted by ani_meher

Because all of them sport same 1.3L national engine in different states of tune!

Aware of that having driven most of the cars from different manufacturers equipped with this engine including Chevy Sail too.

When I referred to Linear acceleration, I should have also said that many cars sporting the same 1.3L engine still have linear characteristics with acceleration. Of course, FGT and VGT again add the difference.

What needs to be seen (from the review that will be soon out) is how bad is the AMT in the Swift Diesel and what are the attributes that makes it a bad choice for AMT.

[ALTIMAed]

Originally Posted by paragsachania

This is always something I really wanted to know as to how given the usual Turbo lag as well as the sudden 'kick' the Multijet will behave if an AMT is fitted onto it. Devising a logic to shift gears based on various attributes - Throttle Input, Speed, RPM, Load, rate of acceleration etc., along with the much anticipated Turbo kick would certainly not be an easy one, especially with Maruti Diesels.

I may be totally wrong but I feel AMTs or even ATs would work best for Diesel cars that exhibit linear acceleration characteristics; something most of the Maruti Diesels dont!

I have been driving a Dzire AMT (AGS) since July 2016 having done about 27k kms till date. Based on my experience with slush box and CVT, one has to 'learn' how to drive the AMT which does not take much time. Once one has mastered the art of driving an AMT car, its a breeze. Yes the car does generate 'head nods' when shifting, but that could be ignored as one as to agree, the AMT is a 'poor man's automatic'.

My driving experience has been a mixed bag of city and highways runs, the longest being Kolkata - Delhi - Kolkata, the car having behaved flawlessly on this trip.

[paragsachania]

Originally Posted by ALTIMAed

one has to 'learn' how to drive the AMT which does not take much time.

This is what differentiates between a driving experience during TD and ownership experience over years. Classic and immortal example is adapting to Turbo lag in various cars and knowing how to tap maximum .

So when they say the shifting in AMTs is good, it is only comparing that with other AMTs (or even ATs) which I think is totally fair.

Ultimately, one will adapt to these characteristics and get going but for someone who is out for shopping and drives other cars back to back, it is more likely that the sole reason for rejection will be due this one time experience and successive comparisons with other cars.

[BoneCollector]

Originally Posted by GTO

Things weren't as jerky in the Petrol AMT that I'd driven just a couple of days before.

Just a quick question, how is it compared to the AMT Petrol of Ignis, which one is better, considering both have identical powertrains?

[rambo1o1]

Originally Posted by ALTIMAed

I have been driving a Dzire AMT (AGS) since July 2016 having done about 27k kms till date. Based on my experience with slush box and CVT, one has to 'learn' how to drive the AMT which does not take much time. Once one has mastered the art of driving an AMT car, its a breeze. Yes the car does generate 'head nods' when shifting, but that could be ignored as one as to agree, the AMT is a 'poor man's automatic'.

My driving experience has been a mixed bag of city and highways runs, the longest being Kolkata - Delhi - Kolkata, the car having behaved flawlessly on this trip.

Since you have the petrol Dzire amt, was wondering what mileage figures are you getting? I have booked the Swift petrol AMT for my mom and the main reason for going with the AMT was it's claimed mileage figures plus the convenience of an automatic. Even if the AMT gives 1 or 2kmpls less than the manual it's quite acceptable.
If the mileage figures are similar to a torque converter or CVT then it makes no sense to get the AMT! Plus the slight apprehension about the AMT reliability that I read from a thread on team BHP, although it's for the smaller 1L engine ,but nonetheless, still in the back of my mind.

We in intend to keep the car for atleast 7 years. If we do decide to cancel the AMT booking then it's either the manual Swift,or manual Baleno or the diesel Figo.

[humyum]

Originally Posted by ALTIMAed

I have been driving a Dzire AMT (AGS) since July 2016 having done about 27k kms till date. Based on my experience with slush box and CVT, one has to 'learn' how to drive the AMT which does not take much time. Once one has mastered the art of driving an AMT car, its a breeze. Yes the car does generate 'head nods' when shifting, but that could be ignored as one as to agree, the AMT is a 'poor man's automatic'.

My driving experience has been a mixed bag of city and highways runs, the longest being Kolkata - Delhi - Kolkata, the car having behaved flawlessly on this trip.

I agree, the learning curve in an AMT is quite immense if you look at it and will be accentuated even more when you add the peaky characteristics of a DDIS with an FGT.

To give you an example of how over time you learn to drive with the combination of the engine and gearbox you have, on a recent trip to Lonavala in this scorching heat of the aftgernoon with 4 people and AC on in my Swift diesel, the throttle response was quite dull because of the load and further accentuated by the heat and even further accentuated by the fact that I drive a 2008 model Swift diesel which had a very peaky power delivery, but since I have owned this car over 10 years and 10 summers, I know how to move around with this, my mama took the wheel near the ghats of the old highway and every time he slowed down for something, he would get frustrated as even a bike ahead would pull away and our Swift would gain speed at its own sweet time, after a few kilometers he pulled over and asked me to drive as he just did not like the experience of driving my Swift.

What he was doing was, he kept shifting from 1st to second and subsequent gears at an rpm where the next gear would fall in the lag zone and with the load, heat and slopes, the car would take atrocious amounts of times to get into the turbo zone, me having driven the car knew when to change gears in what situations and he instantly said "Did you flip some switch and made the Swift into something else"?

Same with AMT's, once the tricks of the trade is learnt, its not that bad, although I would still assume the AMT will not be a comfortable experience to drive with the DDIS but how bad it is can only be judged by the Team-bhp review and a subsequent test drive because all of us have different expectations from what they want from a DDIS + AMT combo.

[shashanka]

Originally Posted by humyum

I agree, the learning curve .....To give you an example of how over time you learn to drive with the combination of the engine and gearbox you have, on a recent trip to Lonavala in this scorching heat of the aftgernoon with 4 people and AC on in my Swift diesel, the throttle response was quite dull because of the load and further accentuated by the heat and even further accentuated by the fact that I drive a 2008 model Swift diesel which had a very peaky power delivery, but since I have owned this car over 10 years and 10 summers, I know how to move around with this, my mama took the wheel near the ghats of the old highway and every time he slowed down for something, he would get frustrated as even a bike ahead would pull away and our Swift would gain speed at its own sweet time, after a few kilometers he pulled over and asked me to drive as he just did not like the experience of driving my Swift....and a subsequent test drive because all of us have different expectations from what they want from a DDIS + AMT combo.

Thank you humyum for the above post - I've never used an AMT (leave alone an auto box) but I found the above post useful & informative.

But I found myself becoming increasingly breathless & had to come up for air, by the time I completed the above sentence!

[Dr.Naren]

Autocar India has published their road test report. They have posted V Box timings of all 4 engine and GB combinations. Swift 1.2 MT was the fastest, I would say it is pretty quick at 0-100 timing in just 11.96 seconds. Autocar had managed 11.5 seconds in stock S-Cross 1.6 .


Source :
https://www.autocarindia.com/car-rev...ad-test-407881

Autocar has also done video comparo of Swift vs Baleno.

https://youtu.be/hKHIE8BE9FE

[recshenoy]

Took test drive of the Swift last weekend from Bharath Motors, Mangalore. This was my first visit to a Maruti dealership. After visiting silent Renault , Honda , TATA , FORD showrooms the Maruti showroom was like typical Indian atmosphere a.k.a 'our own' feel. There are people everywhere and all kind of them. Right from a retired grandpa carrying grand-child to accompany his son's first car Alto , lady with school going kid enquiring about Celerio AMT, Newly married couples checking Brezza and Swift, Urban chick taking delivery of red hot Swift while her mom in back seat taking selfie. There were almost 30-40 people working in dealership constantly moving around to manage the show.

I started thinking "ok, in this busy festival like procession, will some one attend me" and suddenly out of no where two ladies came and one of them asked "Sir, how can I help you". Me: "I am looking for new Swift". She opened old 200 page book registry full of scribbled customer detail entries, entered my details and asked me to wait for a minute. Within 2-3 minute there comes a lady with price list and explained features and price difference between variants. She had enough information needed to sell Swift to typical Maruti customer. Also, within 5 minutes test drive car was ready and gave a test drive of almost 5-6 KMs on varying road conditions. It did not end there, she also sent a person to evaluate my current vehicle and within 2 minutes he started evaluating the car and in next 10 minute he completed the evaluation.

During the test drive feedback conversation she asked, "Sir which other car you are looking for", for which I replied "Next I am going to Hyundai showroom to check out i20". By the time I checked the i20 and came out of Hyundai showroom, Bharath Motors NEXA dealership calls me and asks " Sir, if you are looking for premium cars can you please check Baleno. Where are you currently, I can take the car and come there". Honestly I was not expecting this experience in such a busy showroom. As I wrote this post, another feedback call from showroom about the feedback on car and sales consultant.

Originally Posted by ishlinea7260

Thinking of buying a hatchback so went ahead with the TD of the new Swift....


The steering was way too light, I mean it’s good for parking and all but out on the highway you wish if it had a bit more feel to it. I was really disappointed as I do like the looks of the car but after TD I gotta it a couple of times I might not book it.
Any members who have had similar TD experience?

yes even I have felt same. The steering of Swift is pretty light like a Wagon-R where as when I drove Baleno, its steering felt heavier. Overall swift is a peppy car good enough for a typical Indian road condition.

Will I pay 10L for the top end variant, definitely NO, I dont want to pay Million rupee for a tin can hatchback with not so great interior . Having said that, already I have spotted many Swifts with DRLs i.e. top end. So looks like many owners don't mind writing 6 zeros in the cheque book.

[GTO]

Originally Posted by Dr.Naren

Swift 1.2 MT was the fastest, I would say it is pretty quick at 0-100 timing in just 11.96 seconds. Autocar had managed 11.5 seconds in stock S-Cross 1.6 .

Viewed independently, the Swift's timing is damn good. No surprise as this generation is so much lighter than the outgoing car.

However, I wouldn't compare it to the S-Cross 1.6 unless they were tested back to back on the same day on the same road by the same driver in the same weather. All of these can easily make a difference of 1 second or more.

[Dr.Naren]

Originally Posted by GTO

Viewed independently, the Swift's timing is damn good. No surprise as this generation is so much lighter than the outgoing car.

True. Light body and brilliant 1.2 motor .

However, I wouldn't compare it to the S-Cross 1.6 unless they were tested back to back on the same day on the same road by the same driver in the same weather. All of these can easily make a difference of 1 second or more.

0-100 timing of S-Cross 1.6 is 11.2 to 11.5 seconds by different magazines and drivers. Maruti officially claims 11.3 seconds and I have personally achieved 11.26 seconds .

[qr20de]

Forgive me if I sound rude but IMHO Autocar doing this sort of a test isn't really valuable/relevant for this type of vehicle and the market. Just a way for them to rip this cars on an empty road using some fancy timing equipment.

Swift customers would probably be more inclined to learn about real world fuel efficiency figures, compared to the Baleno and other vehicles. Same traffic cycles, driving patterns etc would be really useful to learn. They have mentioned some efficiency numbers but just as an average.

I've noticed that the biggest question that people have is Swift/ Baleno. More details into real world applications comparing these two would be best suited for a potential buyer.

[nickatnite]

Got my ZXi variant this week. All is well so far and i'm satisfied with the car overall. This isn't a sports car or a performance hatch but engine is peppy and Suzuki has elevated the ride which is good especially on indian roads. Quality is good except for the plastics on the dashboard. I'll give Suzuki a B+ for effort and i look forward to happy motoring in my silver swift. A few pics of my car below.

[qr20de]

@nickatnite: Congratulations on the new car! It looks amazing! The long wait has paid off!

Keep us updated on how the drive and ownership goes on.

[jazzy47]

Originally Posted by nickatnite

Got my ZXi variant this week. All is well so far and i'm satisfied with the car overall. This isn't a sports car or a performance hatch but engine is peppy and Suzuki has elevated the ride which is good especially on indian roads. Quality is good except for the plastics on the dashboard. I'll give Suzuki a B+ for effort and i look forward to happy motoring in my silver swift. A few pics of my car below.

Congratulations!! your Swift looks amazing. wish you many happy miles in your new machine. Happy Motoring.