[IshaanIan]

Originally Posted by agambhandari

]So unless they can somehow undercut the diesel by at least 70-80K, there is no point in wishing for the Boosterjet 1.0.

Wishing? As a through and through petrolhead, I would be extremely saddened to have that little 1 liter motor in the S-Cross. It works well in the Baleno but that's majorly down to how light the Baleno is. Come on Maruti why don't you invest more in the market that makes the most money for you guys? Is hoping for the 1.4 boosterjet with a DCT too much?

[nagateja]

Originally Posted by IshaanIan

..Come on Maruti why don't you invest more in the market that makes the most money for you guys? Is hoping for the 1.4 boosterjet with a DCT too much?

I think it comes down to the point that Suzuki/Maruti considers itself in India to be 'only' as a budget/extremely price sensitive offering and not even a pseudopremium brand. Despite Nexa and all the bragging, no 'premium' offerings were made. See for instance, the S-cross 320 is hard to find now. No wrong on their part though. Heard many of my relatives wondering who's going to buy any Maruti north of 10L,and I guess that's what majority of buyers think in general. This would definitely stop them from investing towards expensive offerings in India. I don't see even the Grand Vitara being successful if it makes the cut to India.

[IshaanIan]

Originally Posted by nagateja

I think it comes down to the point that Suzuki/Maruti considers itself in India to be 'only' as a budget/extremely price sensitive offering and not even a pseudopremium brand.. I don't see even the Grand Vitara being successful if it makes the cut to India.

Well it is no secret that "premium" perception does not happen over night. As someone who own the most premium Suzuki they ever tried to make, the Kizashi, I and several other international auto-journalists can vouch that it was a great job done and a brilliant car in its own right. They nailed it in terms of comfort, fun to drive factor, styling and safety. All they needed to do was advertise the damn thing. Remember when Hyundai first introduced the i20 in India? At that time it was perceived as a premium hatchback and initially people were not ready for it. Yet Hyundai kept advertising, having SRK commercials, shouting its 5 star NCAP rating etc and facelifted the product, launched a new generation one and now it is a staple, car in that segment. Even with the Santa Fe, they launched the product, and even launched an all new one even though the old one never sold well and now the Santa Fe is sells quite a bit more. Even look at what happened with the Baleno: it competed pretty well with the old honda city but didn't sell too much and towards the end Maruti had to discontinue it and launch the SX4 which also performed really well in comparison to the City of that generation and sold more than the Baleno but still not too much and the sales tapered off towards the end, then they launched the Ciaz and that car sells pretty darn well. They stood by the product, defended its qualities and merely added some features here and there to show constant support.

Did MS bother telling anyone what was good about the Kizashi? Did they mention the best in class braking? Best in class safety rating? FTD nature of the car? No they simply ran some vague commercial with the car spinning its wheels in some silly desert with red sand, and that was that. The car didn't sell, whatever service personnel were trained to deal with the car have defected elsewhere and there is no likelihood of a replacement. Now when the company itself doesn't have the sense to market it products, stand by them and release facelifts, provide support etc. obviously they cannot hope to change any perception.

I used Hyundai as my biggest example because the old Tuscon, Terracan and Elantra were all incomplete feeling, products that felt like they had a long way to go, and now, today, their equivalents are selling really well and garnering a lot of attention. Suzuki was off to a good start already with the Kizashi and a fairly decent start with the Grand Vitara (lacking in terms of plushness and refinement but mechanically and practically brilliant), imagine where those products' equivalents today would have been if the company simply bothered to stand by them.


Suzuki does not have a new Grand Vitara anywhere I think you mean the Vitara.

[volkman10]

Originally Posted by IshaanIan

Wishing? --- that little 1 liter motor in the S-Cross. It works well in the Baleno but that's majorly down to how light the Baleno is. ---

The SX4 S Cross 1.0l boosterjet actually is competent in the S Cross as all reviews claim so.

First up is the tiny 1.0-litre that makes 111hp which is easily enough to propel the small crossover around at a decent lick. Despite the loss of capacity, this three-cylinder has more pulling power than the 1.6-litre four-cylinder it replaces. It’s cleaner and more frugal too, and improves fuel consumption by 12% to 56.4mpg.

Should you want more power there’s the 1.4-litre turbo, making 140hp for 0-62mph in 10.2 seconds – eight-tenths quicker than the 1.0-litre model. That might not sound like much, but in the real world, the added torque means fewer gear changes and more relaxing progress. Running costs should be low, too, with 50mpg fuel economy.

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[IshaanIan]

Originally Posted by volkman10

The SX4 S Cross 1.0l boosterjet actually is competent in the S Cross as all reviews claim so.

A 3cyl 1 liter car tested in a foreign country where 0-100 in 10 seconds means you can pretty much go flat out most of the time, behaves very differently in a country like India where the roads and general traffic sense means you carry a lower average speed. As the review itself stated, the 1.4 benefits from more torque which means one who t have to shift too often and keep the engine on the boil to get through our congested city roads.

[volkman10]

Suzuki makes minor changes to S Cross for the Japanese market for sale from 6th July 2017.




Changes include:
1. Transmission for the 1.6L petrol ( DOHC VVT ) to be AT ( CVT is out)

In this time's partial specification change, we adopted a new front design expressing strength, a powerful appearance by adopting a large diameter tire, and a high-quality interior such as instrument panel with satin plating and decoration of piano black. The 6AT was newly adopted as a transmission, and realized high running performance with direct feeling.

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[csnanjappa]

Originally Posted by volkman10

Suzuki makes minor changes to S Cross for the Japanese market for sale from 6th July 2017.

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Changes include:
1. Transmission for the 1.6L petrol ( DOHC VVT ) to be AT ( CVT is out)
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Is this news only for Japan ? or the same thing is going to be launched in India facelift . I don't think we would get 1.6 Petrol .

[bhpfaninblr]

1.0 boosterjet 3 cylinder is likely to give a higher mileage than the 1.4 4 cylinder boosterjet. However noise and refinement of the 1.4 Boosterjet being a 4 cylinder engine will be better
The 3 cylinders have to do the work for 4 cylinders and that explains higher noise in 1.0 Boosterjet. 1 cylinder less means lower cost meaning it will be priced cheaper

Did a mpg to km/l conversion
1.0 Boosterjet of S-cross gets 56 mpg in UK and 1.4 Boosterjet gets 48 mpg.
These mean 1.0 Boosterjet will give 23 kmpl and 1.4 boosterjet should give 20 km/l

[volkman10]

Suzuki makes minor changes to S Cross for the Japanese market for sale from 6th July 2017.

The new S Cross variant for Japan with the 1.6L DOHC VVT engine - 117PS/6000 rpm, 151 Nm/4400 rpm.

[bhpfaninblr]

Excellent information. Looks like they went with a naturally aspirated option vs. boosterjet. That explains the healthy 16 km/liter.

Originally Posted by volkman10

The new S Cross variant for Japan with the 1.6L DOHC VVT engine - 117PS/6000 rpm, 151 Nm/4400 rpm.
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I want to add a point here. This is based on mpg to kpl conversion. The real world mileage on tight roads in UK for 1.4 boosterjet is 9 km/liter per reviews and the best it got was 17km/liter. With this level of fuel guzzling, the 1.4 boosterjet is not likely to be successful in India. So they may go only for the 1.0 Boosterjet and the 1.3 DDiS. The 1.5 L petrol engine that is exported from India to Indonesia might also make its way into the S-cross

Originally Posted by bhpfaninblr

Did a mpg to km/l conversion
1.0 Boosterjet of S-cross gets 56 mpg in UK and 1.4 Boosterjet gets 48 mpg.
These mean 1.0 Boosterjet will give 23 kmpl and 1.4 boosterjet should give 20 km/l

Agree. that is what the reviews say. I am just wondering that it might not be a hot cross-over being 200+ kg heavier than the Baleno

Originally Posted by volkman10

The SX4 S Cross 1.0l boosterjet actually is competent in the S Cross as all reviews claim so.
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Do not agree here. While lot of people want premium engines like 1.4 Boosterjet, they will not buy it if it gives less than 10 km/liter. Remember the 1.6 petrol engine in SX4. People like the 100+ BHP but did not sell a lot in a mileage important consumer market. They eventually discontinued the 1.6 petrol engine SX4 and put the 1.4 petrol engine in Ciaz that returns similar mileage like the 1.2 petrol engine of Baleno.
Let us not blame manufacturers for not producing products that consumers don't consume!

Originally Posted by nagateja

I think it comes down to the point that Suzuki/Maruti considers itself in India to be 'only' as a budget/extremely price sensitive offering and not even a pseudopremium brand.

[Kumar101]

Took these pictures at a Dealer in the UK.

[moralfibre]

Here's my $0.02 on the facelift:

- Looks as horrible as the current one from the front.
- The grill could have been subtle to correct things.
- Smarter bumper and front headlamps.
- Looks taller than the current one from the front.
- Hope they equip it better than the current one. Read as: Sunroof, better wheels, more airbags, etc.
- JK Elanzos on the facelift == being an absolute dud to market feedback. But MSIL is known to be horrible w.r.t tyre width to car bulk ratio.
- Nothing has changed on the stamped metal bits, selective facelift retrofit should be possible on the current version a-la Innova.

[Nilesh5417]

Originally Posted by moralfibre

Here's my $0.02 on the facelift:

- Looks as horrible as the current one from the front.

You wont believe how much worse the base variants look!!

[volkman10]

Updated S Cross for Japan with the 1.6L petrol engine in 2WD, 6AT and 4WD in 6AT configurations. ( Made in Hungary and sold in Japan)

Prices - 2WD , 6AT at ~ 12 lakhs ( likely config. for India )

- 4WD, 6AT at ~ 13.3 lakhs

Updated spec - Ground clearance , 185 mm with 215/55R17







Speculating this engine could feature in the updated S Cross and later for Ciaz in India.

Source- Suzuki Japan

[bhpfaninblr]

Not happening. The 1.6 L Petrol engine in Japan is not going to be in the S-cross or the Ciaz facelifts. Note that these are oil guzzlers and the SX4 in its 1.6 petrol avatar did not sell well primarily due to km/liter. That is why we have the 1.4 Petrol in the Ciaz

We can expect a 1.0 Boosterjet and a 1.5 petrol engine in the S-cross and Ciaz. The 1.5 petrol will be the one that is currently imported to Indonesia and manufactured in India

Originally Posted by volkman10

Speculating this engine could feature in the updated S Cross and later for Ciaz in India.

Source- Suzuki Japan

Looks are personal. What matters is what the vast majority think. Going by the poll results on this thread on team-bhp, looks like the facelift is going to be a major winner. And with a petrol engine, it could sell 5-6 K units per month once the facelift is launched

Agree on the JK Elanzos. They are going to get Bridgestone in the facelift

Originally Posted by moralfibre

Here's my $0.02 on the facelift:

- Looks as horrible as the current one from the front.

- JK Elanzos on the facelift == being an absolute dud to market feedback.