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Originally Posted by BUXX Comparing the BRV CVT to the City CVT .. this will be similarly priced.. about 13.35L OTR in Delhi !!! Buying !!!! |
Don't forget that for your money, you are getting the top-of-the-line VX CVT variant in the City range, compared to the BR-V's second-top variant, the V CVT.
Plenty of more goodies, plus a maintenance-free, fuss-free ownership and a guaranteed resale value.
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Originally Posted by landcruiser123 I think the pricing is marginally higher than I expected, but it's nothing I'll complain about as long as they don't hike the price a few months down the lane. |
Marginally higher, yes. Hence a reduction of at least 40,000 across variants would have really set the cat among the pigeons. Wouldn't have been hard for Honda to do this and advertise as "introductory prices". They could always hike them once the car is a hit.
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Originally Posted by landcruiser123 Not really. The masses love an SUV with 7 seats. I think the demand is going to shoot through the roof. |
The masses have re-adjusted their preferences. Gone are the days when big, butch 7-seater SUVs were desirable. Urban commuters mostly come with nuclear families, and there is a big shortage of parking spaces where they ply about as well.
One of the main reasons why the Creta is such a superhit, despite being grossly overpriced, and why the Storme struggles to sell more than 500 units a month (among other factors).
Admit this - a 4.2m car is much easier to park and maneuver through city streets than a 4.5m car.
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Originally Posted by landcruiser123 Who doesn't want a 7 seater that is slightly cheaper than the Honda City with the same engines and interiors? |
The BR-V is not cheaper than the Honda City. It's the other way around.
A difference of ~1 lac for the VX petrol models of both cars. For other variants, it's more than a lac rupees!
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And, same interiors as the City?!
Come on! Both of us know which car's interiors are the better ones, and in which car's cabin one would want to be in, given the preference.
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Originally Posted by riteshritesh 1) the legs get raised too much to be comfortable in the last row. I am 5.6 and the last row is ideal for 2 kids on a long drive. In city driving, 2 can manage. |
This can be a deal-breaker for most customers looking at the 7-seating option.
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Originally Posted by riteshritesh 4) the middle row with 3 full grown adults happen to rub shoulders with each other. |
Another big problem, considering other offerings in the segment come with better rear seats (Duster, Terrano & Creta).
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Originally Posted by riteshritesh At 14 lakhs OTR for the CVT, I am not happy but will be buying it anyways. |
If you are not happy with your purchase, you will always regret buying it. More so, when other SUVs cross you from the front and you inadvertently end up comparing your buy with them. I would say to you to look elsewhere - car purchases are satisfying when they are done from the heart, all other factors be damned.
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Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR Guess we both predicted a bit lesser than the launch price. |
We predicted what we both thought was
ideal for the BR-V's pricing, given the market situation & segment competition. Honda overshot it by a small margin, which otherwise could have made the BR-V a sureshot winner in the VFM ranks.
You are right. The Mobilio now seems like an excellent buy, compared to the BR-V.
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Originally Posted by autorahul I also fully expect BR-V E-MT to have a presence in taxi segment, in the space vacated by Innova, with the price of Crysta. |
+1. This will be a hit among the taxi fleet.
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Originally Posted by drive2eternity As mentioned here already, I too think it will settle down in a comfortable 3-4k per month sales, not bothering the Creta much. |
Knowing Honda, price hikes are a given a few months down the line. If the BR-V holds steady at even 2,000 units per month through it's life cycle, I will be happy.
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Originally Posted by TSIched'Out The target market for BRV or similar cheap 7/8 seater is:
1. Someone who is looking for a compromised last row space
2. Someone who would need last row for short drives within City
3. Someone who would need couple of long drives for 7/8 in a year |
Compromises for some, deal-breakers for many.
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Originally Posted by TSIched'Out For the ones who need proper 7/8 seaters, XUV and Innova are the options to go to and their lowest variants are within the price range of BR-V. |
This is where the BR-V might lose ground. But still, since the Creta is doing so well despite being priced in range to the two mentioned above, I think the BR-V's top variants ought to hold it's own.
Problem is - the BR-V doesn't command the kind of respect the "City" brand does in the mindset of the common customer. More so a Honda customer. It is basically starting from scratch. And comparisons with it's closest sibling, the Mobilio, is inevitable.
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Originally Posted by TSIched'Out And with this, gone are the chances of Honda to sell 3 Lacs vehicle in a year in India. |
I won't write off the BR-V just yet, neither Honda. Like I said in one of my earlier posts, customers might see the pros of the car vis-a-vis it's pricing and who knows, we might see a sleeper hit.
As for Honda, they still have
enough firepower to ensure maximum sales in our country in the days to come.
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Originally Posted by Hvt77 The billion dollar (or Rs 8-12 Lakhs!!) question: When is the TBHP review coming up? Was hoping it would have come by the weekend after the media drive....
But then, neither has it come out for the Crysta launched 3 days back! |
Both are being fine-tuned as we speak. The Crysta review will be up first, followed by the BR-V.
Plenty of work goes into the official reviews behind the scenes to make it as perfect as they are. GTO & the T-BHP team spend nights and days poring over each and every detail of the car in question, and only when they are fully satisfied that they have covered all the critical aspects in full detail, the reviews are moved out from the Assembly Line into the Official Reviews section.
There is no replacement for finesse. Hence, patience.
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Originally Posted by PrideRed While the touch screens are more modern and feels premium they don't offer significant advantages over buttons unlike mobile phones. I would anyday prefer a better sounding old school button music system with bluetooth than average sounding touch music system. |
Don't forget the "
feel-good" factor of a touchscreen HU over a plain one. Customers would want one in their cars simply for that premium feeling and for that mental satisfaction that their chosen car doesn't lack in features from similar in-segment offerings.
Features are a big part of car sales today. Even if customers end up not using any/all/most features in their purchased cars, they would
want it to be there.
Only a handful of old-school enthusiasts prefer quality over everything else. The common customer wants more-and-more bang for his plonked bucks.
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Originally Posted by antz.bin All the talk about the VFM pricing, isn't this extremely close to body on frame RWD 7/8 seater SUVs like Mahindra Scorpio & Tata Safari/Storme (Even Tata Aria?)? The advantage here being higher fuel economy? But losing out on RWD, engine capacity, power and size in the bargain? Screams *lower segment* to me as far as being an SUV is concerned! |
Even though priced in the similar range, I have always regarded the Scorpio & Storme as above these crossover pseudo-SUV offerings.
Make no mistake - an SUV guy will go for those cars only. No compromises.
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Originally Posted by antz.bin And anyways, apart from the SUVish looks, I fail to understand how this is any more practical than the already overpriced (w.r.t. Ertiga) Mobilio. |
A newer, fresher product with better interiors.
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Originally Posted by antz.bin I would really like to look very closely at the sales numbers 3-4 months down the line on how the market perceives this product at such a price point. I would be really surprised if it does even 25-30% of Creta's monthly no.s. |
It's a practical, safe & no-nonsense option. It would be commendable if it manages 30% of the Creta's sales, although the BR-V's trump cards are restricted to only 2 - the 7-seater option & the i-VTEC reliability (since the i-DTEC's long-term reliability is yet to be proven).
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Originally Posted by hondacity The car happened to be a diesel. It sounds fine till 40kmph beyond which the engine clatter starts affecting the cabin. |
This could be a deal-breaker for many as well. My 2014 City suffered badly from this infamous clatter, which is always evident and refuses to go away even at high speeds. In this age of ultra-refined diesel engines, this is a really sore point which cannot be overlooked.
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Originally Posted by Nilesh5417 All in all, i came back underwhelmed - maybe cause i'm not looking for car. But as an enthusiast, i was disappointed. |
Yet to have checked out the car in person myself, but I don't think the BR-V is drab-looking or boring. Sure, it has plenty of similarities with the Mobilio but there are enough design elements to give it it's own distinct personality.
Yes, it might not be as exciting as the EcoSport when it first came out, but it has it's fair share of pros. Not a car for the enthusiast, I agree, but the masses might like it for what it brings to the table, specially when compared to it's segment offerings.
One more point for those who are comparing it with the Creta - remember that the Creta's top 3 variants come with the 1.6L engine option and hence do not get tax benefits. Combine that with a 4m+ length and a ground clearance of 190 mm, and you have nothing to save on the tax front.
(Mahindra reduced the ground clearance of the XUV 500 under 170mm to save on taxes, remember?)
The BR-V has a 1.5L diesel heart which ducks under the tax benefit specification, so despite being 4m+ in length and having a higher ground clearance specification, it is still cheaper than the Creta in the diesel pricing department.