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Originally Posted by himanshugoswami Ive taken my safari on some pretty extreme off road trails but never has my stereo rattled!
As re. safety of soft tops, that argument should also extend to mini coopers, Audi A3 convertible, r8 convertible, Rolls royce et al. these cars are also sold in India and are driven around in cities so should be as susceptible to theft of stereos as thar. |
Constant rattles has been a bane with the Safari! Still cant compare a Safari which comes with a good suspension to a barebone jeep.
Again you are comparing vehicles from a uber Luxury segment with the barebones Thar. A funky looking stereo should not be among the top of the wishlists for the Thar. There are many other potential features that should make it to the list.
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Originally Posted by ACM 1) Open top vehicle in India do have expensive electronics.
2) A well designed vehicle would not have the 2 din Deck unit rattle
3) The Jeep Wrangler which meets a similar aspiration and role in the USA and other western markets does have all the bells and whistles. Let us not compare the prices in India due to CBU level taxes.
4) The way to make a vehicle capable of going in water is not to simply do away with all the electronics.
5) How many (5%?) of the Thars customers would actually take it through Deep Waters?
6) Or they could have made full removal of the deck a 5 hr job through internal hard to reach locks.
7) Why just a Deck in an open top vehicle one can steal the steering, the AC Blower, the seats itself and a lot more and sell them of in the Chor Bazzar the same way as a Music / Deck.
8) If you park in the wrong places the doers will steal the wheels of your car itself and leave it standing on bricks and in the right place nothing will be touched.
9) Why just the Deck wish it had Power Windows. A Deck can be added even later but Power Windows are best factory fitted.
10) Why go far does the Scorpio not have both a S4 & a S10 variant in 4X4 form i.e. with and without Gizmos as the customer would want? |
1) Yes & those are "uber expensive" soft tops, conceived & developed at hi-tech centres.
2) Well Thar sadly is not that "well designed" to begin with.
3) That's what I said, lets not compare the expensive Wrangler to the Thar here. Another member was making the comparisons.
4) MM fought hard for Electronics to work properly on a closed body XUV.
5) Well I cant say what % of consumers would take the Thar ofroading or through water but when the vehicle is built for the purpose, it should be ready for it 24x7. So that loaded electronics are the last thing on a consumers mind before attempting such obstacles.
6) Don't know why the big hoopla about a deck! 85% of serious mud-pluggers would have more important things on the list to fulfill than just a funky deck.
7) Because a deck is not an important ingredient. One can't drive without a steering or a seat or tyres. But can easily do without a funky/gimmicky deck. & thats the easiest thing to remove, is small so easy to conceal by the thieves. Take a data of most commonly stolen items from vehicles, I bet deck would be higher on the list than the other things you pointed out.
8) I do not agree with that point even a wee bit. Things like decks etc are looted from busy parking places in broad day light. Many of the Thars consumers live in Cities outskirts, far flung areas, etc. They may not be having proper parking spaces.
9) I agree Power Windows is a good feature to have & should make it to the features list. But for two windows, atleast im ok if it doesnt.
10) A Scorpio is a sealed body vehicle, can't be compared with Thar. Also using your same logic, how many Scorpio owners take it the hardcore of-roading task!
Leave the tech. jargon aside, think of it logically. A typical Thars consumer is an aam admi, a middle class man not a crorepati owner of some funky luxury soft top, I bet he worries more about his each penny spent more than the corepati driving an uber luxury car. I also think he won't like loosing a costly deck of his vehicle to a theft. Or he won't like if he's made to pay ~50K extra for the company to fit in a mere funky deck. Also would someone leave his luggage or a bag or a laptop or a cellphone in a soft top Thar ? These things are still relatively safer in a closed hard top vehicle. Therefore its a non-contest.
We could agree or disagree on many points here but the fact remains Mahindra wouldnt spend on R&D to fit in a funky Deck inside the Thar & if they do, it would take the prices further up. I still think a typical Thar consumer won't bother much about a funky deck inside. If someones really keen, aftermarket fitments galore, no sweat!