[Thad E Ginathom]

Originally Posted by amitc7

Brother I have spent years (8+8) in the sea of Golf GTi's in England and Egypt.
You with all respects are a Audi TT or a Boxter/Cayman customer by your requirements.

Not a sports-car person at all. Taking it to extremes, deep inside me, you might find a Bentley man: looks like a posh wardrobe, weighs tons, and goes like a rocket!

Let me share the GTi mantra from the views of a GTi user. Should be humongous fun to drive and bother sports cars like a happy puppy, yet take my kids or granny to the school or shops safely. Should go rings around a roadster, let deliver me in my suit to the meetings.

Lucky man! I'd like to have driven the GTi, but never did. I did drive a Golf for a couple of years; a two-door model. I was single at the time, but hey, it was a company car, and you should have seen the amount of computer gear I could get into it and take out for installation.

Indeed, I know the GTi mantra: It is what goes through the head of the much-fancier-looking-car driver, as an ordinary-looking family hatch leaves him in the dust. Thing is, it is not mandatory to drive the grandparents around in it all day. Wait... I am a grandparent! But that's ok, I'll be in the driver's seat

In the end for 20L i deserve a Golf, a Polo should never cross 15L

I wonder (you may know) what the European price would be now. In UK, VW always were overpriced, even to the extent that some people imported their own.

[amitc7]

Originally Posted by Diesel_convert

It's a bit of a bummer that we don't get the champion hot hatch, the fiesta st. Let's hope they don't mess up the pricing too badly.

The focus RS you mean, Fiesta ST is a damp squib, the GTi is the most rounded, but for speed and handling it has to be the Renault Megane 265 Cup, with a LSD it is the best FWD car and the one of the very few that oversteers

Or the junior category king Renault Clio 200 Cup, that's more in the Polo and Fiesta category, the Renaults are not that well built interior wise but mechanically better than the VW's and the Fords

Well granpa Thad i agree

Infact i liked my 1956 Jag MK1 2.4 straight six more than all the cars i have devoured, i think that's the right word for me 24 cars in 22 years.

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[Diesel_convert]

I meant the fiesta St, I don't think any other car has got the sort of universal praise it has. Clio 200 is not as revered as its predecessor from the reviews.

[Vid6639]

Although the numbers will never be significant for this, I think VW is going about it little wrong.

They seem to be focussing on the Vento and Polo and trying everything possible. Now we have the Ameo Compact sedan, facelifted Vento and now Polo GTI.

If they indeed are looking at 20 lakhs price bracket it will be a tough sell. A Polo for 20 lakhs will not be easy to convince.

VW needs some different thinking. When a Jetta is 20+, Octavia 1.8TSI is 20 lakhs ex-showroom. Why not look at assembling the Golf here with a slew of engines.

A Golf starting with the 1.4 TSI and 1.5TDI engines and topping the range with 2.0 TDI and 1.8 TSI is something I think the market will appreciate. 10+ lakh hatchbacks are already selling and on the other side 30+ lakhs hatchbacks like the A class, 1 series, V40 are also available.

There is a massive gap in between. The D segment sedans like the Jetta, Corolla, Octavia are doing just about OK numbers, nothing like before. A person buying a Jetta or Octavia will most likely already have another car in the garage. In all likely hood he might not need the boot. A fun hatch like the Golf for self drive and a beater sedan or MPV for the daily grind, driver driven would be an ideal combo.

So VW, why not look at the Golf instead of spending on another Polo.

[Rajeevraj]

Originally Posted by Crazy_Bean

And the ACI Review pours in:

In a way this review is slightly misleading with respect to the India launch. This review is of the manual 6 speed version and I think VW has clarified that India will get only the 7 speed dsg. The manual comes with 320nm of torque while the dsg is limited to 250nm although the 250nm is available over a slightly wider rpm range.

But from a hot hatch perspective I assume that extra 70 nm makes a significant difference.

[ajmat]

Originally Posted by Vid6639

A Golf starting with the 1.4 TSI and 1.5TDI engines and topping the range with 2.0 TDI and 1.8 TSI is something I think the market will appreciate. 10+ lakh hatchbacks are already selling and on the other side 30+ lakhs hatchbacks like the A class, 1 series, V40 are also available.

So VW, why not look at the Golf instead of spending on another Polo.

You got to remember the VW Golf and Skoda OCtavia are brothers from another mother so they will cost the same. Considering the BMW 1 series has flopped, the Golf will not work out.

However, if VW set up an MQB plant with proper localisation, the OCtavia, Golf, Passat, Superb could be made at reasonable cost but am not sure if existing numbers justify this

[amitc7]

Originally Posted by Rajeevraj

The manual comes with 320nm of torque while the dsg is limited to 250nm although the 250nm is available over a slightly wider rpm range.

But from a hot hatch perspective I assume that extra 70 nm makes a significant difference.

The DSG for the GTi comes with beefed up mechanicals and can take a bit more than 320 Nm

[Vid6639]

Originally Posted by ajmat

You got to remember the VW Golf and Skoda OCtavia are brothers from another mother so they will cost the same. Considering the BMW 1 series has flopped, the Golf will not work out.

True, both being based on MQB and all. But even then, if they can price it 1-2 lakhs below the Octy and Jetta, it might work.

However, if VW set up an MQB plant with proper localisation, the OCtavia, Golf, Passat, Superb could be made at reasonable cost but am not sure if existing numbers justify this

This is what they should be doing! A slew of product launches not just rehashed versions of the same Vento/Polo which is now nearly 6 years old.

[amitc7]

Originally Posted by Thad E Ginathom

I wonder (you may know) what the European price would be now. In UK, VW always were overpriced, even to the extent that some people imported their own.

The Golf Gti base is about £26K before discounts and the Polo Gti is around £18-19K before offers (includes 20% VAT)

Imports are less now as the prices have equalised across the pond

[Rajeevraj]

Originally Posted by amitc7

The DSG for the GTi comes with beefed up mechanicals and can take a bit more than 320 Nm

I don't think so. When I checked online, any gti variant with the 7 speed dsg gear box is restricted to 250nm which is the max torque the box can handle.

In fact if I am wrong any car the VAG group sells anywhere worldwide with the 7 speed dq200 dsg is restricted to 250nm max.

Of course the 6 speed dsg used with the 2.0 diesels can handle more.

[amitc7]

Originally Posted by Rajeevraj

I don't think so. When I checked online, any gti variant with the 7 speed dsg gear box is restricted to 250nm which is the max torque the box can handle.

As far as the polo is concerned it hasn't affected the acceleration and the in gear performance so it doesn't matter, they use the extra gear to make up for the torque.

In the Golf they have a newer wet clutch 7 speed DSG, that handles 350+Nm

[itwasntme]

It uses the DQ350 which can handle 350 Nm.

[Vik0728]

Originally Posted by Vid6639

A Golf starting with the 1.4 TSI and 1.5TDI engines and topping the range with 2.0 TDI and 1.8 TSI is something I think the market will appreciate.

So VW, why not look at the Golf instead of spending on another Polo.

I for one agree with you Vid6639.

I understand that the Polo GTI is a pure sports hatch but at least for India, they must have considered a TDI as well.

There are no 2 ways about the fact that no TDI can actually do this:

Link

But, IMO TDI engine option makes a lot of sense in India. There are a huge chunk of buyers who would want to invest a couple of million rupees on an oil burner and VW would have catered to both sets of people.

I know it sounds absurd but VW could have probably thought of bringing in VW Scirocco with a 1.4 TSI engine to India.

Wouldn't that justify the Premium Tag/Offering??

[volkman10]

Polo GTI appears on VW India website - ready for the unveil at Auto Expo!

[Ketan T]

VW unveils the Polo Gti. Details: http://m.overdrive.in/news/2016-auto...gti-showcased/