[mayankk]

I really don't get why people are happy about this ban. I understand it may not cause many hardships to those who have petrol or newish vehicles, but I would really like for them, when they're driving tomorrow to notice how many private diesels are smoking, compared to commercial, or that genset going ratatat at their office or home.
All I can say is, if you think this is going to change anything, except for automakers toplines, it's going to be a hard landing.
There's a structure and a law, puc, already in place, which can go a much longer way in fixing whatever troubles they think 10 year old privates are causing. Enforce that, make it foolproof. Spot a car, check its rc/check its puc same amount of time. If non compliant, easy enough to impound or notify it in the same manner as is being proposed now.

I still don't see this happening, though.

[SLK]

Originally Posted by mayankk

I still don't see this happening, though.

This will happen for people like you and me. Obviously won't happen for willful offenders and that's always the case.

How did anyone even expect the SC to agree, its the same people who retire and join groups like NGT. You never upset your potential future employer! do you?

On a serious note, a half hearted attempt to stay the order was not going to work, you need to change the underlying law so that such orders are rendered void.

This ban is actually in line with the culture of the country of not working hard to fix things, but take short cuts to avoid. I think there is much more to come.

Wrong people at wrong places! It just takes a few good people at the right places to run the country, unfortunately our education and selection system ensured that it doesn't happen.

[Automaton]

Please share and populate the hashtag
#SaveClassicCars

There is a Facebook group (Save Classic Cars) started just for this purpose, to give a voice to all classic car lovers before the silly idea spreads to other cities.

Let's get the bizarre rule scrapped, not our classic cars.

Do join the group. It's open for all.

[mustangboss302]

Now all we can do is to wait and watch if the TOI Daily Pollution Index show a dip in pollution levels when the 10 years old diesel cars are not plying on Delhi Roads.

[i74js]

This is nothing beyond rubbish. The NGT thinks that there wont be replacements for the vehicles going off-road due to this ban, there will be and the overall emissions for producing a new vehicle is more than then emissions from residual life of the the existing vehicles.

Just a knee jerk reaction and nothing else !

[zenren]

Originally Posted by i74js

The NGT thinks that there wont be replacements for the vehicles going off-road due to this ban, there will be and the overall emissions for producing a new vehicle is more than then emissions from residual life of the the existing vehicles.

Yes, there would be replacements to old vehicles and yes, there would be higher pollution to produce new vehicles. However, the higher pollution to make a new vehicle doesn't happen in Delhi and hence it is not the Delhi air that gets polluted. The air near the manufacturing plants would get polluted but that wouldn't be in the middle of densely populated areas. The higher pollution from the old vehicles is however going directly to the densely populated areas in Delhi where the air quality is already really bad.

[mustangboss302]

Just struck my mind. If all those who's vehicles are falling under the ban should demand a refund of tax for the balance 5 years and an additional compensation for buying a new vehicle. The NGT will run for cover

[mayankk]

Originally Posted by mustangboss302

Just struck my mind. If all those who's vehicles are falling under the ban should demand a refund of tax for the balance 5 years and an additional compensation for buying a new vehicle. The NGT will run for cover

That's my one big beacon. There's one thing the system is better at than pinching your money, and that is holding on to it.
I expect a popular government both at centre and state to fight against this hammer and rings.
Maybe a consumer case can be made against this ruling citing the tax?

[i74js]

Originally Posted by zenren

Yes, there would be replacements to old vehicles and yes, there would be higher pollution to produce new vehicles. However, the higher pollution to make a new vehicle doesn't happen in Delhi and hence it is not the Delhi air that gets polluted. The air near the manufacturing plants would get polluted but that wouldn't be in the middle of densely populated areas. The higher pollution from the old vehicles is however going directly to the densely populated areas in Delhi where the air quality is already really bad.

Simply put, you agree that if the problem of one location is transferred to another (even if it has a larger impact / environmental footprint) is acceptable for creating a local solution for very limited period?

- I am sure more than 70 percent of personal vehicles are very much usable after 10 years (30% - not sure)
- Cascading impact of this ban: Poor maintenance of vehicles, procurement of cheap old technology by public, another measure in the hand of traffic police to fleece users, scrap management
- Not sure, players like MSIL could be hands in glove for additional sales of cheap cars, basically use and throw philosophy, why invest in technology and safer cars !

[saket77]

If the order in implemented, then NGT and the Govt. should accept that the whole PUC thing is a hoax and close down that 'business'. Why should I spend 100 bucks every 6 months on a PUC which does not hold any relevance, burns my expensive motor spirit and uses my time and energy for the drama when and the entire criteria of being roadworthy depends on the age of the car?

Another effect on my personal attitude with cars will be like I will stop caring for them after the initial few years and will care a zilch after the 6th year. By the end of 10th year, I will make sure that the car is a heap of waste and a good candidate for being scrapped. Yes, even if that means higher pollution due to poor maintenance. Quite in contrast to my present attitude when my 13 year old Zen runs like a charm and almost as clean as day 1. I am still a law abiding citizen in the eyes of the Govt. because my ride is under 10 years of age.

Also, since ownership costs will increase due to this 'scrapping at the end of 10th year' rule, I will look for cheaper cars while buying one so that my financial loss is lower.

[rdhawan15]

Originally Posted by mustangboss302

Just struck my mind. If all those who's vehicles are falling under the ban should demand a refund of tax for the balance 5 years and an additional compensation for buying a new vehicle. The NGT will run for cover

Also, add the scrap value of the old vehicle. After all, at the time of disposing a 10 year old car as a scrap, there will be some sort of scrap value attached to the car. So, we are looking at:

1. Scrap value
2. Refund of Road tax of 5 years with interest earned by the Government over the past 10 years of money being used
3. Because of this policy, since the owner will need to buy a new vehicle, there needs to be a one-time payment to take a part off his purchase bill.

[akshay4587]

Originally Posted by Automaton

Please share and populate the hashtag
#SaveClassicCars

There is a Facebook group (Save Classic Cars) started just for this purpose, to give a voice to all classic car lovers before the silly idea spreads to other cities.

Let's get the bizarre rule scrapped, not our classic cars.

Do join the group. It's open for all.

Adding to the post.
Here is the URL to Join the Group.
Guys, feel free to join and post your views.


https://www.facebook.com/groups/1568576080063512/

[Automaton]

Have updated the link to the Facebook page to make it easier to share:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/saveourclassics

Would request Admin and Mods to send out a mass mail with the link to get everyone on board to fight this draconian and insane blanket ban on classics, bikes and cars.

If they have it their way in Delhi it will spread throughout the country thanks to the collective greed of the regulators as well as car and bike manufacturers.

Do join in and make the open group stronger along with like-minded friends.

[jfxavier]

The Delhi government's transport department on Tuesday started an open reality check of 10-year-old diesel commercial vehicles at the Transport Authority office in Burari in north Delhi to check their emission levels and assess their fitness.
On this basis, the department would apprise the National Green Tribunal about the details and relevant facts regarding emission levels of 10-year-old diesel vehicles.
A total of 53 vehicles were checked on Tuesday, of which 45 were cleared and eight failed the tests.
Officials of the transport department, environmental activists and representatives of transport unions were also present

http://www.business-standard.com/art...2101168_1.html

[mukeshgoel]

They should have checked some newer diesel commercial vehicles (age 5-9 years) to see that fitness depends on age or maintenance of the vehicles.