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Originally Posted by Debajyoti "BMW i8 has 3 pot engine, while Dzire/Aspire have brilliant 4 cylinder engines. Utterly disappointed, BMW should have been more aggressive with the pricing of the i8, I can see it will be a big failure"........But expecting a car that looks like Tigor, has engine of Dzire or Aspire, interior quality of Xcent at the price of Tiago is being too unrealistic. |
Very well said, You have spelled out the reality. Appreciate that.
The thing is, we weren't expecting Tigor to have all USPs of segment at the price of Tiago. I have said this many times in this thread, and will say it again. The Tigor & Tiago are much better cars. They have certainly progressed forward to becoming Segment Best Cars in thier Respective Segments. They look good, they ride well, they are spacious, they are efficient. They lack a bit in performance which is OK for an day to day City commuting.
This debate of Tigor not having a Proper 4 cylinder engine came into question when Tata announced the prices yesterday. Make no mistake, the XE & XT Variants are priced Brilliantly. But the XZ & XZ(O) are dangerously close to Aspire Trend & Titanium.
If Tata had priced these top spec grades as good as base & Mid variants, the 3 cylinder engine would have been ok. So, for additional money (₹20k & ₹13k), the Aspire Diesel certainly makes case for itself. This is just for someone looking at Tigor XZ & XZ(O) variants. If he is looking at XE & XT, it's a no brainier, Tigor is much better option due to huge price difference.
I am in same dilemma of finalizing a car for my friend, I am spoilt by Tigor's All roundness & Aspire's Diesel Heart & Ford's Reliability. Yes Tata isn't reliable for me.
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Originally Posted by discoverwild The lacklustre performance argument has been done to death. Real world performance matters. A Tier II city dweller like me does an average speed of 30 kmph day after day. My 30 km daily drive rarely allows me the luxury of moving on to the 4th gear. The Tiago twins will hardly feel out of place here.
Only feel that Tata should have been more proactive with safety features, ensuring ABS and airbags were standard on all variants. They missed the plot here. |
Yes, one doesn't require performance in City limits. Only drivability & Efficiency matters. But, on Highways, the Tiago isn't effortless to drive. I have taken my Tiago on Highway Drive once (40 kms). Despite the additional torque on Diesel, it does take time to build momentum. And the NVH levels are high, same will be the case with Tigor. Why performance matters is that not everyone can afford multiple cars.
If Tata had priced Tigor XZ & XZ(O) cheaper by around 25-30k or offered 1.3 Multijet in those variants at least, I wouldn't have complained.
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Originally Posted by RavenAvi In fact, it's a point in the Tiago/Tigor's favour that their petrol engines put out almost equal power/torque figures as those cars of a segment above. |
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Yes, 1.2 Petrol with 85ps & 115Nm of torque is on par with Swift/Dzire & others. In fact the Petrol will be the major contributor just like Tiago. I don't have any complaints regarding Petrol.
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Originally Posted by RavenAvi With respect to diesels however, yes, the Tigor's diesel is quite underpowered and should have been priced accordingly. A 90,000-rupee premium is unjustified, specially when the Tiago's diesels are priced at a difference of around 70,000-80,000 rupees over their petrol counterparts. |
Ah..there you go. This is what I have been saying/trying to say. The Diesel is overpriced for what it offers (Engine Part). Someone looking at XZ variants would be looking at Aspire Diesel just for that better engine alone. If Tata doesn't see much bookings for Diesel, they may replace this 1.0 D with 1.3 in future. This 1.0 Diesel is acceptable on Tiago but not Tigor especially given the pricing factor.
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Originally Posted by anand.shankar The Tigor seems decently priced for what it offers, engine and safety features could have been better. But that doesn't take away the fact that its the cheapest pseudo-sedan available in the country. |
XT with Airbags would have been better. But if one wants Airbags, they have to get XZ. Will you buy Tigor D (XZ O) over Aspire D (Titanium) for difference of 13k ?
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Originally Posted by Eyas337 Prior to price announcement, had finalized for Tigor petrol (top end version). Now the pricing has put me in dilemma (being close to Aspire and Zest -> which are a segment higher and have been in the market for a while now).
Suggestions / Recommendations please?
P.S: Tigor Petrol XT (@ 6.55 lakhs on road at Hyderabad), would have been a good pick -> had it come with 2 Air Bags (already comes with ABS + EBD) |
XT with Airbags would have been a good choice considering the price it has been launched at (5.41 L - Petrol, 6.31 L - Diesel).
XZ P at 5.90 is also a good option for addition of Airbags & other features.
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Originally Posted by guptad42 Tigor should have airbags in the base version, and an AMT in the top two at roughly the same price.
TATA could have then seen the car become a huge sales success, and maybe raised prices a little after the festival season.
As they stand now, these prices are a bit high for the car on offer. . |
Airbags might become standard soon due to Safety Regulations. AMT also isn't far from launching.
XE & XT are well priced, but XZ variants are a bit high.
Also, what stopped Tata from offering Option Packs on XE & XT Trims like they have on Tiago ? If they didn't want to give option packs, they should have made Airbags as standard at launch itself.