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Originally Posted by Driving_Nomad Bringing in a tightly coupled mechanism for vehicle insurance, traffic fines and road tax like in the UAE is the best solution to all this. |
The proposed Road Transport Safety Bill is supposed to fix many of such problems in the next 4-5 years. After this law gets implemented (when is the question?), in a year every state would have to come up with systems which allows sharing of DL information, Registration information and also have an internal mechanism to share taxes. To be honest, the new bill takes a holistic view and plans to address some new set of problems, those which did not exist in 1988. But very many states (especially Southern States) have clearly raised red flag on this. And as we all know, current Central Government does not have a good majority in Rajya Sabha (whose MPs comes from the states).
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Originally Posted by Steeroid The excuse that 'non-KA people won't pay tax whatever the period' to justify the 30-day rule is pathetic at best. That sort of mindset will only unleash petty tit-for-tat responses. |
Will you be able to provide some good information to prove that non-KA vehicle owners HAPPILY paid the LTT, when the old rule was in place? That is they were all great honest individuals who promptly paid LTT as soon as the vehicle was put to use for more than 11 months in KA? From what information I have (you can prove me wrong), non-KA vehicle owners just ignored this and enjoyed driving around the whole of the state. They started crying out loud when the RTO came knocking home.
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The same can be done by all other states - why do they not do so with the same amount of nastiness, and what is so special about Karnataka in the whole of India? What if all the neighbouring states started similar drives against KA vehicles?
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Let the states try that. KA government may be great arm-twisters, but they are not fools. Just think about the cities in India which provides maximum job opportunities for people from all across India. See the pattern of migration. There are some places where people readily agree to migrate to. Bangalore in Karnataka is one of those. Other could be Hyderabad. So these states have more chances to take additional revenue through effective road tax collection. The other states can try the same. But how much money they can generate is a big question. Karnataka as a state has given lots of incentives for big businesses to open shops there, which also brought in large scale employement opportunities. Other states could have done that, but they missed the boat. KA government did not do this for charity, they are also ensuring that the benefits also comes to them (through taxes).
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Originally Posted by sdp1975 There are states that have much poorer finances than KA and TS. How do they manage without taxing other state vehicles ? |
For these so-called poorer states, do we see large number of out of state vehicles roaming around that state (on a regular basis)? For many of the poorer state incentive for any person to go and settle down there is very less. So naturally the states would be in a better position to ignore this, or else even more people would try to move away from the state. Karnataka and Telengana sees a large migration of work force to its cities of Bangalore, Hyderabad respectively. That is because of the job opportunities which is available. So it is quite natural for the state to ensure that their tax dues also come in, as people land up from all across India, for utilising the facilities which the state has provided.
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Btw, I was planning on a Ladakh trip a few years from now. Probably all states will have a lifetime tax rule by then, and Ill have to pay tax for all the 6-7 states en route Ladakh.
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Enjoy your Ladakh trip
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. But in the states where LTT collection drive is high (eg: Karnataka), you still have one month grace period. Only thing would be to ensure that your non-KA vehicle leaves KA state within one month.
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Originally Posted by sachinayak It is unfair to assume that people who have moved (or are visiting) to Bangalore are not paying state taxes. Road Tax is a life time tax and all of us have paid it. |
Life time Tax is a state revenue, it is not shared across state. So when you say you have paid LTT in another state, that state would not share it with LTT. I agree Karnataka has got very many laws which allows too many taxes & cess. There is a Bangalore city specific Fuel cess of Rs.1. The state authorities are clearly giving a message i.e
"Pay these taxes, or else you are always allowed to move else where". Even the people who whine about the injustice, do NOT have much plans to go back to their mother states (for what ever reasons).
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Originally Posted by sumannandy We live in India, not in KA or WB or any other place.
If we transfer residence, local RTO has all right to collect taxes because we would be using their resources. But, this tax must be collected from the other RTO. or, like we have to collect NOC first before transferring registration, amount must be refunded first and then paid in the new RTO prorated for registration, Isn't that fair? because, after all, we live in India. |
Sir, all these arguments have already been brought up here, and they do not have any justification. What we feel the government ought to do, are all just our own suggestions and justifications. As it stands today, road taxes are levied by the respective state. Return of tax refunds is a responsibility between the state and the vehicle owner (not between states). Sure we can try changing all that, but till then it is the law. And law cannot be ignored (or not implemented) till every one reaches a consensus.
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Originally Posted by arun_josie Yes, if someone is not paying the road tax as per the 11 month rule then RTO can flag them and force them to pay. But changing the rule to one month period and flagging the temporary visitors as well is not acceptable. In my opinion this is ridiculous. |
You are taking a stance that RTO and KA government are thugs, and all the motor vehicle owners are innocent baby angels. The sad part is that all are equally thugs and would try to win the situation. People would just ensure that they go out of the state once every 1-2 months, collect the toll receipts and come back. And instead of condoning some thing which is morally/ethically wrong (not legally wrong), every one out there would call the person a smart person, who knows how to save money (by not paying tax). That fellow would get a hero's welcome. I can write and give it you, if the 11 month rule is brought back no person having KL registration vehicles would ever have to pay LTT.