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Originally Posted by iambasilmathew Can we not argue that changing the mandatory period of stay from 11 months(as provided by the Central Act for registering in the new state) to one month(although not for registration but for the paying the LTT) in the Karnataka MV act a blatant misrepresentation of the Central Act. |
From what I understood, the requirement for re-registration of a vehicle if it remains in a new place (out side current place of registration) for a period exceeding 12 months; is noted in Section 47 of the MV Act 1988. Karnataka Government has not changed this. They cannot really do this, because this is a pan-India Act, and it needs to get President's ascent.
The Act which got modified is an "in-house" Act - the Karnataka Motor Vehicle Taxation Act, originally passed in 1957. The entire motor vehicle tax collection is based on this Act. This Act is only applicable in Karnataka, and so only the state's governor needs to give his approval. This approval has been given on Feb 2014 itself.
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When I read the Central Act some 6-7 months before, I was under the impression that there is a section in Central Act which says that LTT needs to be paid only at the time of registration(Ofcourse I could be wrong, Have you see this yourself?). If this is true, can we not say that Karnataka has made modifications to its taxation act, which is against/contradicts a similar provision in the Central acts.
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Do you remember which is the Central Act you checked up earlier? I spend nearly 3 hours yesterday to dig up cases & laws
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. I could not find a Central Motor Vehicle Taxation Act. And I again double checked the MV Act of 1988 to see if there is any provision regarding tax collection. I did not find any. Only sections I could see were related to fixing amounts to be paid as service charges (when applying for DL, Registration etc.). I have been asking others in the forum, to tell me if they have found any section in MV Act which talks about Taxation. No one has been able to do that.
So at this point, we need to assume that:-
1. MV Act and Karnataka Motor Vehicle Taxation Act, are two different pieces of legislation.
2. There is no provision in MV Act, which talks about taxation and that means, there is no real link between the two acts. MV Act totally keeps away from any taxation rules. That is left to the state specific acts.
Next question was about the concurrent & state list of the Constituition, which was brought out by
binand. Here again, as far as I could figure out, the "principles of taxation of mechanical vehicles" are in the concurrent list (centre & state have powers), the actual part of "levying taxes on motor vehicles" is in the state list. So using the provisions mentioned in the Concurrent list, if the Central Govt. brings in a rule describing the way vehicles have to be taxed that becomes the "principles of taxation". Then the state can fix the taxes (still), but it has to be based on the rule made by Central Govt. But as far as I know, Central Govt. has not made any Act/law which clearly establishes what would be the "principles of taxation". For example, as part of the principles of taxation; the central government brings a law that a vehicle only needs pay LTT once, then no state law can supersede it and have provisions violating it.
So at this point, what I can understand is that Karnataka Government has amended a state specific law in which it has the full authority to make amendments. They ensured that the state's governor approves it. The idea of for this amendment is certainly to better the revenue position of the state, no two doubts of it. But from my understanding of the law (which can be incorrect), I feel the government played by the rule book.
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Originally Posted by vinayrathore Passing vague laws like the "30 days rule" is only denting this boom and the resultant revenue. Seems the state is more interested in having all the golden eggs at once. |
The 30 day law is only effecting vehicle users (a sub-set of the population) and that too only a part of the vehicle users, who have non-KA vehicles. Karnataka government jolly well knows that getting tax dues from them is not going to make any impact in the overall IT Boom. Fine, all non-KA vehicle owners decides to quit the state in protest. Every IT company would find lots of attrition. Will KA government go bankrupt? In an over populated country like ours, there would be people to back fill that positions. And in the worst case, IT companies may decide to shift shops. Not a big deal there as well. IT boom has been in existence in Bengaluru for more 15-20 years now.
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That person has an equal right to protest any such law even if he is not a voter in that state.
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That is what folks like
Silverwood & co. are doing. Even the tax act of Karnataka has clear provisions on how appeals can be filed, and how the tax payment request can be challenged. But if people don't use it, then who is to blame?
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Originally Posted by binand There is no tax evasion here. Vehicle owners have already paid road tax. This is a second demand to pay the same tax. |
There is an aspect of "tax evasion", in my humble opinion. Are you suggesting that since the vehicle owner has paid an LTT in other state, he does not really require to pay LTT in any other state? Then the catch here is that every state is collecting LTT based on its own state specific taxation laws. A very generous state (if one exists) can even say that they will not collect road tax. So if I register my vehicle in KL, and pay the LTT there my tax duties to Kerala is fulfilled. But if that vehicle is used in Bengaluru, KA (exceeding one month) then I am bound by Karnataka state laws to pay LTT again. This is because these tax dues are from Karnataka government. Karnataka & Kerala do NOT have a tie up in sharing LTT. So thinking from the point of Karnataka State I am a tax defaulter; i.e I did not pay the tax which the law mandated.
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Existing legal system seems to say it isn't - hence we have DTAAs and Input Tax Credits etc.
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Every tax is not the same as one another. There are central govt. taxes like Income Tax, which is collected only once and irrespective of the state where the payer resides. There are other local taxes, which only has local validity. Tax Credits at the moment does not seem to apply for Motor Vehicle Taxation, as each state has its own law. Perhaps a new Central Govt. Act which lists out all the motor vehicle tax collection processes can clear all this up.
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Originally Posted by atniya I repeat, the real problem is unreasonably high degree of discretionary power to RTO to seize vehicles where they assume that every IT guy who is coming out of office anywhere in Bangalore is settled in Bangalore. |
Leave aside the RTO part of it and the tax collection. Think logically, and take a sample size of 1000 people working in a big IT company. Generally most of the people who come out of IT offices at 1800hours after a day's work would be heading to his/her home within Karnataka state only. 70% would be such cases. 15% could be staying in border areas (like Hosur), and the other 15% would be people on temporary visits (1-2 weeks) at one stretch. But if you can prove that in a sample size of 1000 people coming out of an IT office majority of them are one time travellers to Bengaluru, then please provide more information.
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Originally Posted by SILVERWOOD Karnataka charges LTT on the total value of invoice, including VAT. |
What is the latest update on the case, sir?
1. Has the Transport Commissioner arrived at the court and gave his statement? Do you have a copy of that statement?
2. When would the case be next hear. I understand three weeks have been given for the state to prepare its response.
3. And in your Writ Petition, what are the main actions in which you are asking relief? Is it only about the amendment of taxation laws by KA government, or it is also asking for relief from RTOs money collection drive?