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Originally Posted by ajmat I have no sympathy for the PY/MP tax evaders nor the long term evaders. My neighbour is one of them, he goes bananas when people badly park or go down the one way in the wrong direction but he refuses to pay the tax. |
Exactly. The general trend is that every one expect others to follow all rules while none is applicable to themselves. From what I see, RTO is clearly focusing on people who they know would be long time stayers in Bangalore. Off-course like in any other drives as such, a few genuine short term visitors may get into trouble. But that does not cancel out the state's right to collect her tax dues.
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Originally Posted by humyum Now if they harass you even while you are within their 1 month frame work of laws, that does justify a brutal response ! |
All the best!! Hope brutality does NOT lead to further trouble as threatening or attacking government officials discharging their duty is generally not taken lightly. Exceptions would be for people who have higher levels of influence. This is a government driven excercise, so in most cases government would backup their RTO officers.
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Originally Posted by binand Dodging tax - OK. In which part of India is dodging RTO checks illegal? |
Running away from them is permitted. Just like how thieves have the right to run away from police check points. But it becomes a problem when you willfully disobey their instructions to stop and speed away. This is a violation as per MV Act.
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Originally Posted by IronH4WK All that the RTO folks need to do is to park and wait near the major IT parks to milk these IT junta with out of state registered vehicles.....
This rule, like the sun film ban, is a trump card for the RTO/Police. |
That is because the RTO folks knows the job sector in which they can find the maximum road tax-violators. And that unfortunately is the IT sector. And every one is not an angel as it is made upto be. Just check in your own friend's circle you can find examples of the same. People who are working in IT driving around non-KA vehicles. Off course they would have their reasons, but that is not an excuse in the eyes of the law. The ban on sun-films was based on a Supreme Court (the highest court in India). Many people filed review petitions, it was rejected. The Police and RTO would have to face contempt of court charges if they are not seen enforcing this order.
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Originally Posted by BIBIN004 f you with your car was in such a situation in an another state what would your reaction be to this situation assuming that you just visited for a day or maybe 3 months (say on deputation or so) and the RTO stops and seizes your car despite showing all the proofs. |
KA problem is that they have reduced the tenure to one month. My previous vehicle's RC book (from KA) says the earlier limit was 1 year. So one month time period is too less and I will agree with you. But remember one thing such cases are very less in number when compared to the people who use non-KA vehicles in KA for more than one year. The people who sit and complain, all of them are not innocent people who just landed up in Bangalore one or two months back. Last year, a close relative of mine dumped his KL registered car back in KL. He was using it for 5 odd years in KA. Once the drive became very strong he had no go other than to take the vehicle back to KL.
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Originally Posted by benbsb29 Those supporting this initiative would say that i can prove that i dont stay in these places. Well, not really as my passport earlier showed a permanent address which was not a Bangalore address! |
Passport cannot be taken as a valid proof in these cases. I can be the best example. My passport still shows my address in my native place (non KA). Where as I stay in Bangalore for the past 16 years. RTOs are not dumbos to believe the passport. They are really focusing on other documentary evidences to show that you are odd one time visitor to Bangalore.
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Originally Posted by poloman There is no significant migration of populace from KA to KL where as around 25% of people in Bangalore are from Kerala. |
Infact there is no migration from any other state to KL, especially people who can afford cars
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. We may have immigration from West Bengal etc. But any other person with a non-KL registration driving down to Kerala most likely would be an NRK or a tourist. Stopping such vehicles and getting them to pay taxes is only going to backfire. Tourists etc. would just goto other place. I own KA registered four wheelers for last 9 years. Only once I have been caught by KL RTO for checking on the road tax. And with toll receipts he let me off. But Kerala generally goes very strong on other Motor Vehicle Act sections (over-speeding, not wearing seat belts, helmets and drunken driving). And non-state vehicles to get some extra attention.
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Originally Posted by sandeepmohan We already have to deal with a considerable amount of expense when we relocate, why make it worse by throwing in road tax too. What I hate the most is out of state cars with Army stickers and a similar "I work for the government" plate fixed on their vehicles. |
Again this is just a false sense of victimhood. Road Tax is not a charity scheme where some one can pay and others can just ignore. KA (or any other state) has every right to collect her tax dues. So budget the road tax amount as well when thinking of relocating. Or look for other options. Army and Central Govt. employees have legal approvals for paying taxes only at one place. There is a reason. As Central Govt. employees they can get transferred any where in India. And most likely they would get transferred (especially Army folks). Where as IT folks etc. all jump states mainly out of personal convenience (and more money).
The tax-exemption for defence and central govt. employees is an extra perk given by the Central Govt. for being ready to get moving all across the country. Let IT companies who want people to go on deputation all across the country try for such benefits.
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I don't get this at all and why you even support this. We are one country. Why on earth do you have to pay road tax for every state you move to. As if it isn't enough with what we all have to pay from our salaries.
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Please read up on the authority a state has to collect her tax dues, including Road taxes. All this talk about "We are one country" would not help you convincing an RTO or any jurisdictional court.
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Originally Posted by lurker KA has long been in this game of squeezing bangalore to feed its other districts of Hassan, Bidar, Gulbarga, Tumkur, Bellary, Chikmagulur. |
What is the harm in doing that? The state allowed lots of companies to open shop in their land. Especially IT companies. Where other states like Kerala was working over time to kick out any possible big industry, Karnataka welcomed them with open arms. Will any one do all this for free/charity? They knew such industries would bring in more people, and bring in more development. And that means more money as taxes. And the that tax can be used for benefitting the state. Why should they just allow every one into Bangalore without expecting any thing in return? I am not a Kannadiga myself, but I would like to ask this simple question. If folks out here are so bothered about Karnataka Govt. and RTO fleecing you on various pretexts why don't you look for better options in your own state? Let IT (or any other industry) get established all across MP, UP, Bihar, Rajasthan, Jharkhand, Orissa etc; then people can go back to their own states where they can enjoy life. But the sad part is that none of these states have done any thing of that sort. So today Bangalore has become the cash-cow for quite a large number of people. And Karnataka state is just ensuring that these people who get maximum from Bangalore, gives some thing in return as well.
So people who crib that Karnataka is harassing them, work on improving your own state and force the state governments there a chance for you to get back and enjoy life.
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Originally Posted by ashwin489 I don't understand this logic of 'the law has to be adhered to at any cost'. By that logic, we should all still be under the british raj and implement 'sati' on a daily basis. Stupid rules are meant to be broken. |
Get your history right. It was during British Raj that the practise of 'Sati' was ABOLISHED. It was the British laws which said that Sati was murder, and any body who plans to have a 'Sati' organised would be hanged for murder. I don't know how Karnataka's right to get road taxes from people using it becomes a stupid rule. You can try breaking this stupid rule, but from what I read here you would not be able to do that for long. With your priced car getting impounded and put up in some RTO office ground, would help you take the good decisions
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