[nik_kapur]

Originally Posted by Arjun Reddy

the Vento has been in the showrooms as long as VW have been in India ie around 5 years. Though I have not come across any article on a facelift,I am trulely guessing that it is due for one.No other car has been through 5 years without a facelift in recent times?i could be wrong though.

Originally Posted by Shortsell

Hi

I was planning on a vento tsi soon. Your information puts the spanners in my detail oriented work! Do you have a link, news report suggesting a possible facelift and/or upgrade in 2014. Or is it a calculated guesstimate?

Sorry man, i didnt mean to do that but i have understood as per the link below that a polo facelft is coming and therefore a vento facelift is obvious in my opinion. Plus with the H City around, VW must be working overtime to improve their offering.
http://www.autocarindia.com/auto-new...14-356952.aspx

A full model change of the Polo/Vento range is also expected in 2015 as per most online reports.

http://www.autocarindia.com/auto-new...14-356952.aspx

[Shortsell]

Originally Posted by joslicx

If I am not mistaken Vento was launched in 2010 only.

by the way, if I were to buy an AT car today it would be the Honda City without even thinking about any other car. With the 2014 model Honda has made up for the only deficiencies in the erstwhile City (which were the features). It is a very compelling package right now and the competition does not posses any significant threat right now (my perception). Hyundai and VW will have to update their C segment pretty soon to really threaten Honda's imminent dominance again.

I'm not so sure if I would plonk 12 to 14 big ones on City by default. A verna and vento definitely merit a relook. Let me make my case for Vento AT here

1. The TSI engine with the DSG gear box,im assuming will blow away the driving experience in the new City. Considering that the city is offering the same engine as the outgoing model. Isn't VW into their 2 round into turbo charged engines already. Competition has moved ahead and I wouldn't want an old engine here. Ofcourse there are 2 sides to every story, the DSG has reliability issues but an enthusiast will get into this knowingly. Hopefully if there is increased pressure from City, we will soon have VW offering extended warranty also.

2. I'm sucker for solid build and simple looks in a car. I prefer Vento's looks

3. The lazy interiors in the new city have been discussed at length here. My god! that hazard button is so out of place it might as well be rhombus shaped and placed on the windscreen! A few years ago i drooled at the Civic whenever it passed. It was ahead of its time viz the competition in terms of design and the cock-pit like drivers area and to think that the new city comes from the same stable is a real disappointment to me.

City will still sell but if you are buying a car for sheer driving pleasure, i'm guessing the choice should be Vento TSI by miles. extended warranty please

And lets not write off Verna here. My opinion it will still outsell City and Vento put together! City has only just matched the features that Verna has been giving for years. And Hyundai is as reliable as Honda from my limited experience and interaction with friends, atleast they are close by for this factor to be a differential in Honda's favor.

[jha.shailesh]

Originally Posted by nik_kapur

Sorry man, i didnt mean to do that but i have understood as per the link below that a polo facelft is coming and therefore a vento facelift is obvious in my opinion. Plus with the H City around, VW must be working overtime to improve their offering.
http://www.autocarindia.com/auto-new...14-356952.aspx

A full model change of the Polo/Vento range is also expected in 2015 as per most online reports.

http://www.autocarindia.com/auto-new...14-356952.aspx

I think its Honda that's catching up to the competition rather than the other way around. Though, in terms of engine or transmission nothing really new is being offered (Amaze already has those), which we didn't have. Neither is their turbo charged engine nor a dual clutch transmission or ESP. I don't see or hear any segment firsts or anything that the competition doesn't have. The only thing going in its favour could be the brand name and relatively more reliable.

Check out this news about the new 8 speed Dual clutch transmission and turbocharged engine as part of Earth Dreams, wonder when will we see these.
http://www.autonews.com/article/2013...M04/131119899/

[joslicx]

Originally Posted by Shortsell

I'm not so sure if I would plonk 12 to 14 big ones on City by default. A verna and vento definitely merit a relook. Let me make my case for Vento AT here

1. The TSI engine with the DSG gear box,im assuming will blow away the driving experience in the new City. Considering that the city is offering the same engine as the outgoing model. Isn't VW into their 2 round into turbo charged engines already. Competition has moved ahead and I wouldn't want an old engine here. Ofcourse there are 2 sides to every story, the DSG has reliability issues but an enthusiast will get into this knowingly. Hopefully if there is increased pressure from City, we will soon have VW offering extended warranty also.

2. I'm sucker for solid build and simple looks in a car. I prefer Vento's looks

3. The lazy interiors in the new city have been discussed at length here. My god! that hazard button is so out of place it might as well be rhombus shaped and placed on the windscreen! A few years ago i drooled at the Civic whenever it passed. It was ahead of its time viz the competition in terms of design and the cock-pit like drivers area and to think that the new city comes from the same stable is a real disappointment to me.

City will still sell but if you are buying a car for sheer driving pleasure, i'm guessing the choice should be Vento TSI by miles. extended warranty please

And lets not write off Verna here. My opinion it will still outsell City and Vento put together! City has only just matched the features that Verna has been giving for years. And Hyundai is as reliable as Honda from my limited experience and interaction with friends, atleast they are close by for this factor to be a differential in Honda's favor.

Vento suffers from reliability issues coupled with poor service backup from the company and Verna has an inferior 4 speed automatic (and poor back seat). 2014 Honda City in comparison has an out of place hazard switch!

The monthly sales thread would be very interesting read really once deliveries start.

It would also be interesting to see how well all the latest electronics incorporated in the new City cope. Would the touch screen ACC hold for 10 years ?

[CARDEEP]

Originally Posted by RavenAvi

Same specced diesel as in the Amaze?? Absolutely no change to power/torque figures? Very disappointing.

First no VGT and now this. Looks like I will have to revert my booking to the petrol variant. Still, waiting for official confirmation (and Team-BHP review) on this piece of information before taking any decision.

And yes, safety features are standard across all variants, and should continue to be so in the 2014 City as well. One of the major reasons why I went for Pegasus, my 2012 Corporate.

Originally Posted by crazyro

Disappointing for sure. One thought.
Kerb weight of Amaze Diesel is 1075 (110 more than petrol Amaze)
Kerb weight of 3rd Gen City Petrol was around 1100
So we can expect 4th Gen City Diesel to be around 100 - 150 more than the current Amaze Diesel. Not sure how much would be the performance impact of the extra 150 kg

I believe Honda will tweak the NVH & performance of the diesel mill in the new City to take care of your concerns. This has been already discussed/ reported in old thread.

Please wait for the car to be launched & available for testing/ test drives before you guys form an opinion/ take any decision.

[ambadan]

Just now booked Honda City A/T by paying 51K. I will go for it if Honda does not drop any features and put a price tag up to 10.5 lacs (i am not interested in sunroof, and I hope there will be one variant in AT without sunroof as earlier)

Originally Posted by FarPatel

I visited the Apex Honda showroom in Sion yesterday with the intention of pre-booking the New City but put it off till today, since I hadn't carried my cheque book with me. The charming sales executive advised me against using my credit card since it involves an unnecessary 2% surcharge.

Whitefiled honda was also mentioned this. here they say up to 30K, no surcharge, more than that I have to pay 2%. Hence paid 30K by card and rest by cheque.

Originally Posted by Shortsell

I'm not so sure if I would plonk 12 to 14 big ones on City by default. A verna and vento definitely merit a relook. Let me make my case for Vento AT here

1. The TSI engine with the DSG gear box,im assuming will blow away the driving experience in the new City.

I agree that Engine and DSG gear box are the best part of vento. However, due to some reasons, I feel VW dealers (Apple auto) are not interested in selling the car. In past, visited showroom 4 times. And most recently 5 days back. They don't have a test drive car, no brochure, and they are not enthusiastic. Sales person took my mail ID and phone number and told me that he will send the details by mail. I am still waiting for it.

In my earlier visits (june-july), the same things happened and then decided that I will drop vento from my list. When TSI launched, I thought I will try again.

[StarScream]

Originally Posted by joslicx

Would the touch screen ACC hold for 10 years ?

I have a 5-year old Dell laptop that has similar touch controls for volume, mute and CD eject. It's working fine.

Originally Posted by ambadan

I agree that Engine and DSG gear box are the best part of vento. However, due to some reasons, I feel VW dealers (Apple auto) are not interested in selling the car. In past, visited showroom 4 times. And most recently 5 days back. They don't have a test drive car, no brochure, and they are not enthusiastic. Sales person took my mail ID and phone number and told me that he will send the details by mail. I am still waiting for it.

In my earlier visits (june-july), the same things happened and then decided that I will drop vento from my list. When TSI launched, I thought I will try again.

I agree. No test drive car in Delhi or Noida either. Add to that the confusion over extended warranty. VW really makes it tough for people who want to buy their cars.

[abhimanyu_singh]

Being an city i-vtec user myself, i was hoping for a similar jump as there was at the time of 2nd gen (vtec) to 3rd gen(i-vtec). and yes I too was hoping for a new engine... atleast a petrol one, since the Japs are better at petrol...
Nonetheless it’s still a beauty and bang on to what people want today. If they price it well, it’ll sell even more than the amaze. I just hope they don’t price it between city and civic, coz that’ll make their job a bit difficult.
I believe 4th gen city will regain its crown because:
• I don’t see 90% of the buyers worrying about the dual clutch technology or the ESP
• People value the brand “Honda,” and the after sales service it comes with
• “Diesel” and “fuel efficiency” will be the key USPs in this case
• I still believe for most of the mature buyers, legroom is a big factor, and this one has it as big as a D segment sedan
Again this is just me, lets see how it plays out….

[_raVan_]

I dont know if this is a repeated question, but will the paddle shifters be offered again on the AT model?

City Diesel with paddle shifters might attract a few people more people

[bluevolt]

Originally Posted by _raVan_

I dont know if this is a repeated question, but will the paddle shifters be offered again on the AT model?

City Diesel with paddle shifters might attract a few people more people

Paddle shifters were segment first in 2009 Honda City. It must be in this model too.

[ambadan]

Originally Posted by StarScream

Add to that the confusion over extended warranty. VW really makes it tough for people who want to buy their cars.

True, In website and in ads they say 3 year insurance free, 3 year warranty etc for TSI and TDI. But actually, they are not giving a single rupee discount or freebies for TSI. It is just to attract people to showroom

[geeash]

Originally Posted by _raVan_

I dont know if this is a repeated question, but will the paddle shifters be offered again on the AT model?

City Diesel with paddle shifters might attract a few people more people

I certainly doubt if there is going to be a auto tranny boxed diesel version in honda city. If there was one, honda would have definitely boasted of a segment first at the launch itself. There has never been a auto boxed diesel lower C segment sedan in india and it never will in the near future. These guys are very bothered about the cost rather than drivability. I bet there are thousands of us willing to buy a Automatic diesel sedan if priced right.
The best bet diesel auto tranny are available only in Laura/ Jetta/ octavia/ superb segment which atleast is not affordable by me.

[Rajeevraj]

Originally Posted by ambadan

I agree that Engine and DSG gear box are the best part of vento. However, due to some reasons, I feel VW dealers (Apple auto) are not interested in selling the car. In past, visited showroom 4 times. And most recently 5 days back. They don't have a test drive car, no brochure, and they are not enthusiastic. Sales person took my mail ID and phone number and told me that he will send the details by mail. I am still waiting for it.

In my earlier visits (june-july), the same things happened and then decided that I will drop vento from my list. When TSI launched, I thought I will try again.

With regard to Vento TSI, I feel Volkswagen Palace Cross is the best bet. They have a test drive car and seemed to get the most stock of cars. I picked up one of the last cars in their current batch. As per them, the next set is expected only in Jan. I feel VW is purposely holding off to see how Honda prices their AT versions. From an AT perspective, I think its a straight fight between Honda and VW.

Originally Posted by abhimanyu_singh

I believe 4th gen city will regain its crown because:
• I don’t see 90% of the buyers worrying about the dual clutch technology or the ESP
•

I agree people will not care about the actual technology. But from my experience, even a person with very little knowledge about cars or its technology will feel the brilliance of the TSI+DSG combo. It is hard to step out of a test drive without a smile on your face.

I guess it will all depend on how Honda prices the AT's

[skyfire2892]

Originally Posted by geeash

If there was one, honda would have definitely boasted of a segment first at the launch itself. There has never been a auto boxed diesel lower C segment sedan in india and it never will in the near future.

Verna has a diesel AT.

[abhimanyu_singh]

Originally Posted by Rajeevraj

With regard to Vento TSI, I feel Volkswagen Palace Cross is the best bet. They have a test drive car and seemed to get the most stock of cars. I picked up one of the last cars in their current batch. As per them, the next set is expected only in Jan. I feel VW is purposely holding off to see how Honda prices their AT versions. From an AT perspective, I think its a straight fight between Honda and VW.



I agree people will not care about the actual technology. But from my experience, even a person with very little knowledge about cars or its technology will feel the brilliance of the TSI+DSG combo. It is hard to step out of a test drive without a smile on your face.

I guess it will all depend on how Honda prices the AT's

Completely agree that the drive is quite refined and amazing at times, and everything will be based on pricing.

However coming back to my original argument, which is that winning numbers (sales) would not be derived by the AT versions of any car, rather will be from a VFM approach, variety and choice given to people. (market could allow for a brand premium). I think people would mostly like to have a fuel efficient, less noisy and a smooth diesel engine. That should get it done, hopefully. A game of wait and watch begins...