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Originally Posted by shashi63 ...I have also noted that many of the features listed in many reviews are already present in my Club Class Manza, so evidently the reviewer has not clue about Tata cars and what they offer in terms of features. Primarily it tells me that most people tend to underwrite the Tata vehicle but the fact is that they offer More Car Per Car Absolutely! |
Infact IIRC you must have Touch Screen, MMI GPS and a CD player (which aren't there in Zest). But there are many new things - Exteriors, Interiors, Harman music system, a new steering system, improved suspension & chassis.
Reviewers IMO are often biased/motivated (IMO Indian media is facing its lowest point in credibility).
This review from the 'much revered'
Overdrive says the boot integration is comparatively better in
Dzire than
Zest.
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Looks are subjective, but IMPO its abit too much when they start giving it names like
"muffin-top".
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...I have always believed that its because of Tata that the competition today thrives and survives in India and we indian's get products which are globally available at far more aggressive pricing!...
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- I still remember how Maruti arbitrarily made it compulsory for owners to only use expensive (3x price AFAIK) Synthetic oil for the 1.3mjd versions of its cars (Ritz, Swift, Dzire & Ertiga), while all the other car-makers using FIAT's engine used mineral oil. Theres a reason a that thread called "Maruti Service is cheap - A myth!" exists. Since I've pointed to the thread, I don't think I need to elucidate further.
- Even in FIAT threads you'll see owners complaining about how spares have become expensive off-late. Not just that, FIAT dealers are known to be elusive when it comes to selling spares OTC even though there is a rule(or something to that effect) by Competition Commission that spares should be made available OTC. Since dealers were elusive, people bought FIAT spares from a (3rd party vendor) website called 99RPM. FIAT stopped supplying parts to them too! So who knows, FIAT may even be hand in glove with dealers.
- AFAIK Tata has always recommended mineral oil & never arbitrarily compelled customers to use anything else. They also always made spares available OTC without fuss.
The parent company (at TaMo) has always seemed to believe in fair-play. Service center issues were definitely there, but since the past 3-4 years it seems they've tightened the noose. yet, I generally recommend that if people stay with the car overlooking the service - even the shadiest service center would hesitate to try doing anything wrong with the car.
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Originally Posted by phkr19 Kudos to you TATA and Late Mr. Karl Slym. ![](http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/images/smilies/thumbs%20up.gif)
Now this is how history is written.
I remember reading the thread where a team-bhpian was invited to meet Karl, and the way the responses were taken and now we see in flesh what the interactions have transpired into.... |
Ah!
This thread by Grammar Nazi. Turns out they actually have taken feedback seriously. But seems it was for general crowd where a BHPian got in thanks to his excitement. Even to date, the top management at TaMo still keeps in touch with the customers through social media like twitter. Seriously appreciate them for that
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. Its unheard of to see top management staying connected with customers like this, especially in the auto-industry.
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There is some feel good factor attached with the success of Tata motors, everybody wants it to rise, see it in the place where it originally belonged to, the king of VFM segment.
Any idea about the production capacity of Tata? They better keep a decent inventory of the Zest, and maybe take a leaf out of Honda as to how they managed the City orders....
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Definitely! Team-BHP itself has SO many threads for them.
IMO amongst other things, they seem to evoke so much excitement because :
(1) they're Indian, so theres nationalism/patriotism,
(2) They're known for the MASSIVE number of CSR initiatives,
(3) They're considered TOP among the cleanest corporates - wrt business processes. Their branding stresses massively on honesty & trustworthiness.
(4) AFAIK They were the only corporate to have a "Code of Conduct" for ALL its employees.
(5) Their offerings are feature-rich and populist (whether the masses choose them or not) & VFM.
(6) The TATA's are known to be amongst the most credible and honest families in India since the past 100+ years.
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Originally Posted by RYP According to Zigwheels they're gonna rip-off the VGT, Harman Music system, Alloys, projector headlights, foglights and 15PS of power for the bare-bone basic variant. This will attract buyers mostly from Taxi segment than the Tier II and III city customers. Is this the only thing TATA shouldn't be doing right now?. You launch a modern capable product and give it a taxi image thus screwing up everything. Boffins at TATA can get a earful from prospective buyers. |
Industry-wide, the 1.3mjd+FGT churns 75PS & 1.3mjd+VGT churns 90PS.
Ritz / Swift / Dzire - The segment leaders all provide
only FGT in 75PS state of tune.
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Harman Music system, Alloys, projector headlights, foglight...
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Originally Posted by swiftnfurious Looks like aimed at the taxi segment - this should be the last thing TATA should do at this point of time. |
Things like these aren't offered even in the mid-variant in this segment. Whats so surprising if Tata doesn't provide them in the base variant? Dunno where the Taxi part comes in. I'm sure TaMo won't make these available to the Taxi market (just like Nano).
Maybe they're planning to keep the Prices REALLY REALLY low for the base variant, so they can attract buyers even from lower segments.
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...Good move I say. They probably are quite happy with the response (of Zest) and expect a good order log and may want to cater to the customers with less waiting period. Adding Bolt to the line up will ONLY complicate this.
Plus, Bolt might make people think of Indica / Vista. With Zest, the comparison is NOT going to be that high. All in all, a positive strategy according to me.
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