[blacksport]

Originally Posted by Visaster

What? Team BHP did not get invited to do a TD of the Ciaz? Is there any particular reason that Maruti and TBHP had a fallout?
Even the never heard of car reviewers seem to have got the car in hand for a TD and their first impression is out long long time back.

If you look at the recent reviews of Maruti cars in the Official reviews section, none of them come with the customary disclaimer:

Disclaimer : XXXX invited Team-BHP for the YYYY test-drive. They covered all the expenses for this driving event.

It's possible that Team BHP got the test cars from elsewhere, probably one of the dealers, and not from Maruti. If that is the case, we won't see a review until the Ciaz is available in showrooms.

[aaggoswami]

Got a copy of ACI yesterday.

1) They mention Ciaz Diesel 0-100 timing as 12.99 sec., which is any given day faster than City diesel. However, there was a note that the test was not as per ACI standards and just a preliminary test. I do believe that in 0-100 timing, Ciaz diesel will be faster than City diesel. Also, the in-gear timings were not significantly different between City and Ciaz. Petrol Ciaz 0-100 = 12.9 sec.

2) Diesel is where Maruti has managed well, but for K14, ACI mentions that Maruti has increased compression, the engine runs cooler, etc. which aids in FE. Its clear that Maruti did not want to have a cracker of an engine and power delivery in petrol was mentioned as flat. All this indicates FE oriented tuning. ACI mentioned performance to be adequate, which suits the car's nature and tuning overall.

3) The interior was mentioned as more or less equal to city, and at one place or so, better.

4) Space more in Ciaz, Ciaz ride better than City and City handling better than Ciaz.

I would have loved to see 1.6 with 115 bhp or so in Ciaz. If priced correctly, it could get some fan following. If, 11L OTR ZDI+ is to be believed, the 1.4 base is could be very VFM package for an individual upgrading from Swift.

[AkMar]

Originally Posted by blacksport

If you look at the recent reviews of Maruti cars in the Official reviews section, none of them come with the customary disclaimer.

Yes, as far as I remember, the Celerio & new Swift reviews were done on cars owned by individuals (supporters/friends/members of Team BHP), thus they came much later than actual launch of vehicle.

[HuseinZS]

I got a call from Maruti PR last Sunday inquiring about my interest in the Ciaz. On expressing my interest they confirmed to arrange a TD (but no concrete timeline provided) for the AMT version as soon as possible. AMT being the one I'm more interested in.

On further inquiry I was given a tentative mid Oct launch with the pricing between INR 7L to 12L (entire range petrol & diesel inclusive).

Cheers
HZS

[GTO]

Guys,

Just an update: We were indeed invited by Maruti for the Ciaz test-drive. Aditya's first impressions report will be up next week.

[CrAzY dRiVeR]

Originally Posted by aaggoswami

1) They mention Ciaz Diesel 0-100 timing as 12.99 sec., which is any given day faster than City diesel. However, there was a note that the test was not as per ACI standards and just a preliminary test. I do believe that in 0-100 timing, Ciaz diesel will be faster than City diesel. Also, the in-gear timings were not significantly different between City and Ciaz. Petrol Ciaz 0-100 = 12.9 sec.

2) Diesel is where Maruti has managed well

IIRC, the Autocar India timings for the Honda City diesel is somewhere around 14.7x.

If thats a case, then the Ciaz diesel is significantly faster than the City diesel. Wonder if its due to the higher torque / weight ratio since the City still has a slight edge on the power/weight figures.

[kadanaJ]

Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

IIRC, the Autocar India timings for the Honda City diesel is somewhere around 14.7x.

If thats a case, then the Ciaz diesel is significantly faster than the City diesel. Wonder if its due to the higher torque / weight ratio since the City still has a slight edge on the power/weight figures.

The Honda City diesel is that much slower? :o

How can a 1.5 litre 100 bhp engine with a 6 speed gearbox be so much slower than the Ciaz's 1.3 litre 90 bhp? Is there a significant weight difference, or is there something very wrong with the Honda City?

[cpbopanna]

Originally Posted by HuseinZS

I got a call from Maruti PR last Sunday inquiring about my interest in the Ciaz. On expressing my interest they confirmed to arrange a TD (but no concrete timeline provided) for the AMT version as soon as possible. AMT being the one I'm more interested in.

On further inquiry I was given a tentative mid Oct launch with the pricing between INR 7L to 12L (entire range petrol & diesel inclusive).

Cheers
HZS

AMT? In Ciaz? Are you sure?
I was under the impression that the Automatic would be a 4-speed slush-box!!

BTW, a bit of information from a birdie (not a cuckoo )!
The launch of the Ciaz is getting delayed because the manufacturer of a critical component has (IR) problems - resulting in the delayed production (and supply) of THAT critical component and thereby delay in car manufacture!

[CrAzY dRiVeR]

Originally Posted by kadanaJ

The Honda City diesel is that much slower? :o

How can a 1.5 litre 100 bhp engine with a 6 speed gearbox be so much slower than the Ciaz's 1.3 litre 90 bhp? Is there a significant weight difference, or is there something very wrong with the Honda City?

We can't be sure till some official figures, or atleast our team-bhp review is out. Autocar still has a disclaimer that figures are not official. Looks like they didnt do VBOX testing.

City diesel is 60 kgs heavier than the Ciaz diesel, which puts them quite close in the figures department even though Ciaz has a .2L disadvantage.

Torque/weight - 172 Nm/ton (City), 181 Nm/ton (Ciaz).
Power/weight - 85ps/ton (City), 81.44 ps/ton (Ciaz)

[HuseinZS]

Originally Posted by cpbopanna

AMT? In Ciaz? Are you sure?
I was under the impression that the Automatic would be a 4-speed slush-box!!

BTW, a bit of information from a birdie (not a cuckoo )!
The launch of the Ciaz is getting delayed because the manufacturer of a critical component has (IR) problems - resulting in the production (and supply) of THAT component and thereby cars getting delayed!

Sorry my bad, I meant the Auto.

HZS

[lalittalwar]

Originally Posted by kadanaJ

The Honda City diesel is that much slower? :o

How can a 1.5 litre 100 bhp engine with a 6 speed gearbox be so much slower than the Ciaz's 1.3 litre 90 bhp? Is there a significant weight difference, or is there something very wrong with the Honda City?

Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

We can't be sure till some official figures, or atleast our team-bhp review is out. Autocar still has a disclaimer that figures are not official. Looks like they didnt do VBOX testing.

City diesel is 60 kgs heavier than the Ciaz diesel, which puts them quite close in the figures department even though Ciaz has a .2L disadvantage.

Torque/weight - 172 Nm/ton (City), 181 Nm/ton (Ciaz).
Power/weight - 85ps/ton (City), 81.44 ps/ton (Ciaz)

The 0-100 times will depend on a lot of other things like gear ratios, torque curve and power curve and the relation between the two. just the peak power and torque figures do not show the complete picture

[CrAzY dRiVeR]

Originally Posted by lalittalwar

The 0-100 times will depend on a lot of other things like gear ratios, torque curve and power curve and the relation between the two. just the peak power and torque figures do not show the complete picture

True. I drive a car which makes it all the more evident that gear ratios play a very important role. The Swift 75 can beat the Punto 90 in 0-100 timings thanks to the weight and ratios.

But, Honda has an advantage of a 6 speed playing allowing them more flexibility to get their ratios better. If Maruti has indeed pulled of a 2 second advantage, its an acheivement alright!

[SumitBahl]

Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

IIRC, the Autocar India timings for the Honda City diesel is somewhere around 14.7x.

I think its 14.07
Gear ratios are pretty good on Honda which contributes to easy drivability in city and almost no turbo lag.

[NetfreakBombay]

Originally Posted by cpbopanna

The launch of the Ciaz is getting delayed because the manufacturer of a critical component has (IR) problems - resulting in the delayed production (and supply) of THAT critical component and thereby delay in car manufacture!

Hi, what does IR stand for ?

[a4anurag]

Originally Posted by NetfreakBombay

Hi, what does IR stand for ?

Could be Infra Red. I guess it could be related to the IRVM or the top-end variant HU functioning.

Originally Posted by cpbopanna

The launch of the Ciaz is getting delayed because the manufacturer of a critical component has (IR) problems - resulting in the delayed production (and supply) of THAT critical component and thereby delay in car manufacture!

Anurag.