[Leymama]

Here is a speculative render from Autocar

http://motorbash.com/wp-content/uplo...1-EcoSport.jpg

[antlerroad]

Thanks for the feedback Achyuth. I agree with your suggestions/ observations. The clues that helped me in rendering the S101 are shown in the images below.

I have started working on the rendering of rear portion. Will upload them soon

Source for pic: Motor Vikatan

[Achyuth Vaibhav]

@antlerroad, Thanks for that. I have some ideas for the rear of the S101.


Pics: Motor Vikatan.

[BoneCollector]

I guess its too early to comment on the front and back looks of the vehicle, as I remember, when the XUV prototypes were seen roaming around, they were fitted with round headlamps and scorpio tail lights. But the end result was nowhere close. I feel we'll come to know more about it in a few months time.

[Achyuth Vaibhav]

Originally Posted by BoneCollector

I guess its too early to comment on the front and back looks of the vehicle, as I remember, when the XUV prototypes were seen roaming around, they were fitted with round headlamps and scorpio tail lights. But the end result was nowhere close. I feel we'll come to know more about it in a few months time.

No, not at all. After all, this is what all the forums do. Rendering a car gives us an idea of at least how the car will look. And that's why forums encourage spyshots of test mules for rendering and giving us an idea of how the car will look like. Agreed with the spyshots of the XUV 5oo. But every Mahindra car need not have the Scorpio, Quanto like tail lights, After all we all are car enthusiast's and discussing how a future car will look like is what we ought to do.

Sorry if I have went over the boundary, just wanted to show you what automobile oriented forums do.

OTOH, I have a strong feeling that this will be a hatch. Look at the sheer length of the thing. It looks it belong to the hatch territory. It looks way too small. The EcoSport is definitely a notch higher in length and I feel comparing the EcoSport to the S101 is foolhardy. The GC too is not in the SUV/ Mini SUV territory. Maybe Mahindra wants to experiment with a hatch. But the towing test makes compelling case of it's own. Makes me feel Mahindra wants to confuse we enthusiast's and mule snappers!. Another thing I have seen is that is the first Mahindra SUV/MUV(Bolero being an exception) to not have a D Pillar mounted headlamp. That's another thing which makes me feel this will be a hatch.

Cheers,

Achyuth

[SDP]

Originally Posted by Achyuth Vaibhav

...
OTOH, I have a strong feeling that this will be a hatch. ...

Those are overcrowded highly-competitive low-margin segments. I doubt Mahindras would jump in. Compact SUV segment is HOT!

On a separate note, see how the rear-door has a straight edge (just like current generation Honda City) on the test mule? The render has a different more complicated edge. Also if the render could be done in one of the more standard M&M colors, it would be easier to relate.

[Achyuth Vaibhav]

Originally Posted by SDP

Those are overcrowded highly-competitive low-margin segments. I doubt Mahindras would jump in. Compact SUV segment is HOT!

On a separate note, see how the rear-door has a straight edge (just like current generation Honda City) on the test mule? The render has a different more complicated edge. Also if the render could be done in one of the more standard M&M colors, it would be easier to relate.

Exactly what I wanted!. Even I referred the render and the spy pic. The door seems to be straight. My main concern on the S101 is the size. With the test mule's size belonging to the Eon territory, I'd think that they are busy in chopping spree. Also this can be the end of the road for the Quanto. The S101 and Quanto cannot be made to sit together in which both will cannibalize each other. This can be point one.

Point two: S101's size is too small to be compared with Duster/Ecosport/Terrano. The Quanto is already going down, why would anyone want a Mahindra when they can buy a far less junk vehicle. Ford,Nissan and Renault have quality levels that can easily beat a Mahindra. Also they have far more sorted out ASS, Ask any aam aadmi, he will say Mahindra= Desi Junk, why don't you buy Duster, EcoSport or Terrano?.


Cheers,

Achyuth

[SDP]

Originally Posted by Achyuth Vaibhav

...My main concern on the S101 is the size. With the test mule's size belonging to the Eon territory, ...

Point two: S101's size is too small to be compared with Duster/Ecosport/Terrano.

I believe the size concern is misplaced. Reposting 2 pics from this thread:

See that i20 just ahead? And i20 is a premium hatch from a size perspective.


See the Xylo pickup version? See the height and width?

Hope that clarifies the scale. My guess is that it would be bang in the EcoSport and Duster range in terms of size.

Ask any aam aadmi, he will say Mahindra= Desi Junk..

Now that's new. Something that I have never heard of!

[raj_5004]

Originally Posted by Achyuth Vaibhav

The Quanto is already going down, why would anyone want a Mahindra when they can buy a far less junk vehicle.

We have not even seen a final prototype of the vehicle; forget M&M launching it and we driven it... and you already termed it as a junk?

Ask any aam aadmi, he will say Mahindra= Desi Junk

Have been buying and driving M&Ms for the past many years, have never heard such a thing nor have I believed so.

I guess the only people who say so are those who have limited experience with M&M's cars or are too overshadowed by their pride in owning German or Japanese competitors.

M&M have churned our reliable, sturdy and VFM UVs. Off late, they have received a lot of flak and negative publicity because of the niggles in the XUV. I do agree that the car had issues in the earlier batches, but the company was willing to take corrective measures and was more than eager to help it's customers.

why don't you buy Duster, EcoSport or Terrano?.

We dont know which price segment M&M is targeting with this vehicle. When the XUV was being readied for launch, the press and many here in this forum speculated that the vehicle would be priced at 14 Lacs (starting price) since it is a competitor to the Aria. It was launched at 10.4 Lacs.

Again, with the S101, M&M can launch it at a very very competitive price and that my friend is the reason to buy it over the above mentioned cars.

M&M is a company which is striving to improve - whether it's offering new technology or features in their cars, entering new product segments or even finding ways to improve customer service. The RM idea was an attempt to give the owners of XUV a personalized treatment at the A.S.S. Even the "With you hamesha" campaign is a step in that direction. So let's just give them some time. They are not too far off the "phoren" counterparts and I, to be honest, love their products and customer focused initiatives.

[BoneCollector]

Originally Posted by Achyuth Vaibhav

No, not at all. After all, this is what all the forums do. Rendering a car gives us an idea of at least how the car will look. And that's why forums encourage spyshots of test mules for rendering and giving us an idea of how the car will look like. Agreed with the spyshots of the XUV 5oo. But every Mahindra car need not have the Scorpio, Quanto like tail lights, After all we all are car enthusiast's and discussing how a future car will look like is what we ought to do.

Sorry if I have went over the boundary, just wanted to show you what automobile oriented forums do.

OTOH, I have a strong feeling that this will be a hatch. Look at the sheer length of the thing. It looks it belong to the hatch territory. It looks way too small. The EcoSport is definitely a notch higher in length and I feel comparing the EcoSport to the S101 is foolhardy. The GC too is not in the SUV/ Mini SUV territory. Maybe Mahindra wants to experiment with a hatch. But the towing test makes compelling case of it's own. Makes me feel Mahindra wants to confuse we enthusiast's and mule snappers!. Another thing I have seen is that is the first Mahindra SUV/MUV(Bolero being an exception) to not have a D Pillar mounted headlamp. That's another thing which makes me feel this will be a hatch.

Cheers,

Achyuth

I never said anything against the renders of this vehicle. All I said was that it sports a round headlamp which does look like an extra / temporary fitment considering the FACT that the vehicle in question us still under development. Moreover, most of the spyshots do make me feel that this is nowhere near a hatch. The lights during the early phase of development of XUV were indeed from old generation Scorpio, that comment did not mean that the tail lamps or headlights will resemble earlier products of M&M on this one also.
As far as your comment of desi junk is concerned, that really doesn't make sense. We have big German / Czech brands selling us lemons, so this comment is pretty harsh on M&M. They have been giving us rugged SUVs long before the advent of 'videshi' companies. They do deserve a pat on their back for their commitment.

[Samurai]

Originally Posted by Achyuth Vaibhav

why would anyone want a Mahindra when they can buy a far less junk vehicle. Ford,Nissan and Renault have quality levels that can easily beat a Mahindra. Also they have far more sorted out ASS, Ask any aam aadmi, he will say Mahindra= Desi Junk, why don't you buy Duster, EcoSport or Terrano?.

I am curious, have you driven any M&M vehicle before making this comment? What cars have you driven extensively?

[raj_5004]

Originally Posted by antlerroad

The clues that helped me in rendering the S101 are shown in the images below.

I have started working on the rendering of rear portion. Will upload them soon

Source for pic: Motor Vikatan

Attachment 1113198

Sorry to be a bummer.

A friend working in M&M said this does not look anywhere close to the actual design. So we are being misled by the prototypes...

I asked him whether the real design was as good or even better... to which he chose to remain silent!

[shankar.balan]

Originally Posted by BoneCollector

We have big German / Czech brands selling us lemons, so this comment is pretty harsh on M&M.

This is exactly the kind of general statement we ought not to be making, as intelligent people.

Exactly which 'lemons' have these Euro blokes sold here, which they have not already sold and tested successfully in other markets? I own and drive one of these nice expensive high quality, comfy, 20 odd lakh rupee 'lemons' daily and am quite happy with it thank you very much!

If we go down that route, I will have you know that the Corolla, the SX4 and several other Japanese vehicles which are sold here in India are somewhat de-specced to beat the duties, taxes and meet the pricing criteria required in this market. And other vehicles such as the Fortuner and Captiva are sold in South East Asia at approximately 60% of the prices that they charge for the same variants in India.

By contrast the Euro cars pretty much retain their International specs here too. And their cars, especially the CKD ones, are priced very similarly to their international pricing levels. So one would not really be justified in terming them casually as 'lemons' in a dismissive or pejorative manner!

I do agree that M&M have been serving us rugged utility vehicles since Independence. That does not mean they are junk but nor are they gods gift to the motoring public. My grouse with them is that their fit, finish and finesse levels have also remained pretty much stuck in a 1980's time warp! I have a right to crib because various people in my family including myself,have put their money where their mouth is, on M&M vehicles for thirty odd years. Now I have migrated away and don't think I would like to go back!

Hence, lets avoid getting extreme and lets preserve fairness at all times.

[Vid6639]

Originally Posted by shankar.balan

This is exactly the kind of general statement we ought not to be making, as intelligent people.

Exactly which 'lemons' have these Euro blokes sold here, which they have not already sold and tested successfully in other markets?

OT: Example is the Superb 1.8 DSG. DSG box failing multiple times on the same car is proof enough that the car were lemons from the start yet the manufacturer prefers to maintain silence on the issue.

And it's just not Skoda. We see the same with Mercedes, Audi and BMW. A quick search on the forum will show few examples of issues faced by customers who spend above 50 lakhs.

[shankar.balan]

Originally Posted by Vid6639

OT: Example is the Superb 1.8 DSG. DSG box failing multiple times on the same car is proof enough that the car were lemons from the start yet the manufacturer prefers to maintain silence on the issue.

And it's just not Skoda. We see the same with Mercedes, Audi and BMW. A quick search on the forum will show few examples of issues faced by customers who spend above 50 lakhs.

Not for a moment am I excusing the failures. In the same breath, are we to take it that there all other manufacturers are absolutely squeaky clean at all times, until death do us part? Because it certainly seems to be what is being implied here in general.
This the the one unfair point I am consistently observing on this forum, not only amongst the general blokes, but also from people in authority so to say.
I strongly disagree with this, specifically.
Lets be clear. It is not as if the Japanese and Koreans are completely and absolutely above board and niggle free. The same goes for the Indian companies.
This constant Euro bashing is getting a little tiresome to tell you the truth.