[rahul412]

Not sure if this video is shared already. looking very good ( I mean the car )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2IEzQiC_dY

Attaching few screen shots from the video itself.

[sdp1975]

From http://www.financialexpress.com/news...2?rheditorpick , the avventura is 65 kg heavier than the evo and has an impressive 205 mm of ground clearance.

The extra weight will make the car lethargic, this really deserved a better engine.

[rahul412]

Avventura's dimension.(Pic courtesy: TeamFiat)

[KiloAlpha]

I had been to the Fiat Caffe in Bangalore over the weekend - just dropped in post lunch on Sunday. My son enjoyed the experience of being allowed to poke around the cars unrestrained! He also thinks the Punto is absolutely fab and the Linea is so ugghhh.

Spoke with a sales consultant, and complained about the fact that Fiat engines & gearboxes made current models not-so-desirable to me. He tells me that the current agreement with Tata comes to an end in 2015, and after that, Fiat will launch cars with exciting engines/gearboxes. And we could expect the Viaggio.

Could someone here weigh in with information from more ... err ... "weighty" sources?

Originally Posted by KiloAlpha

Spoke with a sales consultant, and complained about the fact that Fiat engines & gearboxes made current models not-so-desirable to me. He tells me that the current agreement with Tata comes to an end in 2015, and after that, Fiat will launch cars with exciting engines/gearboxes. And we could expect the Viaggio.

This comes as a surprise to me.

Did Fiat enter into an agreement with Tata saying that they wont launch any new cars/engines ?

What did Tata give to FIAT in return?

Would some one please explain the aggrement happened between FIAT and Tata in detail?
I was aware that,
- Tata used FIAT engines generously.
- Tata used Fiat plant generously to make TATA cars for domestic & for export use.
- Tata hardly sold any fiat cars during this tenure.
- Fiat reported profits only one year, since 2005/2006. Rest of the years they have reported minimal profits or mostly loss.
What has TATA given to FIAT to make such a lousy agreement? By any chance FIAT management are so intelligent to sign such a prospective deal?
Or is this info wrong?

[swiftnfurious]

Originally Posted by gemi_kk

...What did Tata give to FIAT in return?
....

What has TATA given to FIAT to make such a lousy agreement? By any chance FIAT management are so intelligent to sign such a prospective deal?
Or is this info wrong?

Fiat got to use TATA's sales & service outlets!

[khoj]

I hope that this indeed comes true



The Jet would have flown for four years by then and it would be time to man a new flying object.

Originally Posted by KiloAlpha

And we could expect the Viaggio.

[HydroFuel]

Originally Posted by gemi_kk

This comes as a surprise to me.

Did Fiat enter into an agreement with Tata saying that they wont launch any new cars/engines ?

What did Tata give to FIAT in return?

Not exactly IMO. But may be as per their earlier agreement if FIAT uses any engine TATA automatically becomes eligible to use it and that may end by 2015. Like, though Hero and Honda parted ways, Hero was able to use Honda tech till 2013-14 (don't know exact year). That's why I think Hero is looking for other companies for collaboration or something. if I am wrong someone correct me.

[shineshine]

Originally Posted by HydroFuel

Not exactly IMO. But may be as per their earlier agreement if FIAT uses any engine TATA automatically becomes eligible to use it and that may end by 2015. Like, though Hero and Honda parted ways, Hero was able to use Honda tech till 2013-14 (don't know exact year). That's why I think Hero is looking for other companies for collaboration or something. if I am wrong someone correct me.

Reading along with, I strongly agree to this assumption. This may be the reason why they are holding the 1.6 MJD.

Hope the 'Little Birdies' inside the nest will have more details to say about this

Originally Posted by HydroFuel

Not exactly IMO. But may be as per their earlier agreement if FIAT uses any engine TATA automatically becomes eligible to use it and that may end by 2015. Like, though Hero and Honda parted ways, Hero was able to use Honda tech till 2013-14 (don't know exact year). That's why I think Hero is looking for other companies for collaboration or something. if I am wrong someone correct me.

Hero's deal is completely different. Honda is the engine's owner. Hero agreed to use Honda's engines until 2013 Dec 31. However they got the contract extended.
Honda benefits more from this extended contract as they have increased the royalty amount by almost 50+ %. Hero was ready to extend the contract so both are happy.


Here Fiat is the Engine owner. Even if Tata gets to use Fiat's engines, they will have to pay for the same. More Profit for FIAT. Even if Tata's use Fiat engines, FIAT need not worry as Tata's can't use these engines any more than "Contract Expiry Date", Which would hardly be an year or less. This would be an added advantage for FIAT. As No Manufacturer would use others engines for only ONE year or less. Tata's will be the Jokers, if they try to use these engines.

This more or less sounds like FIAT issue. They are not capable to get the new engines & models.

[sandeepmohan]

Originally Posted by KiloAlpha

He tells me that the current agreement with Tata comes to an end in 2015

FM Karthikk mentioned something like this when I spoke to him after he had done a tour of the Fiat facility. This can be true and that means Fiat India's strategy will need a revisit.

I thought the plant was owned by Tata and Fiat on a joint venture agreement with Tata being the primary owners of the land and what not.

When Fiat were building cars on their own, I never observed cheap finish or cheap bits in the car. Reliability aside, it was a very well made car. It is quite a different story today. Compare just about anything on a Grande Punto to the old Palio and you can see it for yourself.

I am happy that the new Linea and Evo have much improved interior quality though we still have to wait a couple of years to see how they hold up. The seat height adjustment lever coming off on a brand new car was not good.

A lot of rubber and plastic bits scream Tata. Seems to be built off the same plastic mould facility used to build bits for Tata. I don't want to see this on a Fiat.

[sourabhzen]

Originally Posted by KiloAlpha

Spoke with a sales consultant, and complained about the fact that Fiat engines & gearboxes made current models not-so-desirable to me. He tells me that the current agreement with Tata comes to an end in 2015, and after that, Fiat will launch cars with exciting engines/gearboxes. And we could expect the Viaggio.

Could someone here weigh in with information from more ... err ... "weighty" sources?

Seems highly unlikely. Sales persons should be the last persons to believe. They may be be just trying to cover-up their incompetence by blaming arbitrary agreement. FIAT would not have disclosed their strategy on bringing new SUVs in 2014 if this agreement was in place.

[Sommos]

Originally Posted by KiloAlpha

Spoke with a sales consultant, and complained about the fact that Fiat engines & gearboxes made current models not-so-desirable to me. He tells me that the current agreement with Tata comes to an end in 2015, and after that, Fiat will launch cars with exciting engines/gearboxes. And we could expect the Viaggio.

Could someone here weigh in with information from more ... err ... "weighty" sources?

Originally Posted by gemi_kk

This comes as a surprise to me.

Did Fiat enter into an agreement with Tata saying that they wont launch any new cars/engines ?

What did Tata give to FIAT in return?

Would some one please explain the aggrement happened between FIAT and Tata in detail?
I was aware that,
- Tata used FIAT engines generously.
- Tata used Fiat plant generously to make TATA cars for domestic & for export use.
- Tata hardly sold any fiat cars during this tenure.
- Fiat reported profits only one year, since 2005/2006. Rest of the years they have reported minimal profits or mostly loss.
What has TATA given to FIAT to make such a lousy agreement? By any chance FIAT management are so intelligent to sign such a prospective deal?
Or is this info wrong?

Heard about the Viaggio with 1.6MJD in 2016 from Fiat people but can't vouch about it. Also heard that it will be placed as a D segment sedan.

[Palio_2005]

When are Fiat launching Avventura? Diwali is 2 weeks away and there's absolutely no news about it. Old habits die hard I guess.

[namit]

Originally Posted by Palio_2005

When are Fiat launching Avventura? Diwali is 2 weeks away and there's absolutely no news about it. Old habits die hard I guess.

I think they are waiting for Mercedes to announce the gla price

Aventura looks good and autocar mentions the engine is better tuned too