[volkman10]

Flex fuel vehicles must comply with BS-6 norms: govt advisory to car automobile manufacturers

There is no need to make it mandatory as three major players - Toyota, Suzuki and Hyundai have agreed to manufacture them.

asked them to start this production in the next six months so that vehicles can run on more than one fuel. The new vehicles will have the option to run on 100% ethanol

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[youknowitbetter]

There is no doubt that the government is trying to promoter Ethanol to reduce its import bill and dependence on foreign crude, but it is also true that government has tried to increase ethanol blend n number of times earlier and the reality is that only sugar producing states are able to blend ethanol with petrol and same has not spread around the entire country.. So before introducing the huge steps wherein the auto manufactures are required to do a major overhaul, government should ensure enough ethanol is locally produced and the same is made available to all states.

[Nilesh5417]

The environmental impact of such a shift I think can be massive. I dread to think if the farmers shift their crops to satisfy the ehtanol demand. Esp if a crop like sugarcane takes over the fertile land beyond Maharashtra and UP.

Unless of course importing ethanol is cheaper than importing crude.

[kosjam]

Originally Posted by Nilesh5417

The environmental impact of such a shift I think can be massive. I dread to think if the farmers shift their crops to satisfy the ehtanol demand. Esp if a crop like sugarcane takes over the fertile land beyond Maharashtra and UP.

Unless of course importing ethanol is cheaper than importing crude.

With a continuing green revolution, we in India have been producing more food grain than is required. The government is interested in utilizing this excess production capacity to bring down the oil import bill. It has a double advantage.
First, as mentioned above, the oil import bill reduces, which is a direct money saver and
Second, the MSP guarantee the government has to give to farmers is lessened, as the production of grain is shifted to the cash crops for ethanol production.
Third, an ancillary benefit to the farmer is that by shifting to a cash crop which can actually have a captive component of demand, the farmer earns more than what the MSP of food grain would get him, with reduced hassle of searching for buyers before going to the government for MSP.

[kabir_]

Where I live, Indian oil has been providing petrol with 10% ethanol in it. I did get problems in my 2006 alto due to that.

[volkman10]

Challenges to the Auto industry in the journey to flex fuel implementation:


E20 fuel (petrol blended with 20% ethanol) program will come into force from 2025 as notified last year. And it poses a lot of challenges to the Auto industry.

Varying degrees of engineering intervention would be required in the fuel, electrical, and exhaust systems, and most importantly in the engine. Components like the piston, cylinder block, cylinder head, injectors, fuel rail, to name a few, will have to undergo changes.

The corrosive nature of ethanol poses a major challenge to engineers. Technology changes and material re-engineering will have a cost implication for for Flex fuel vehicles.

It’s estimated that the additional cost impact could be up to INR 25,000 for cars
and INR 12,000 for two-wheelers, compared to regular petrol vehicles.

While some of the work can be relatively easier for OEMs in India which also have a presence in Brazil, the largest Flex fuel car market, not everything may work with a plug-and-play approach during the Flex fuel vehicle technology development stage here.

So far nobody has BSVI Flex fuel. Brazil is currently running at BSIV level of Fuel . It will be moving towards BSV in 2022 and more stringent, maybe in 2025

While the Government wants the industry to move to E20, followed by Flex fuels, it will also have to make provisions for the E0 and E10 vehicles in the car parc.
For the existing vehicle parc, the fuel hoses and all may get eroded

an option to address the potential problem could be “doing parallel dispensing of the E10 from 2025 for some more years, say up to 2030 or something similar

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[volkman10]

Additional Excise Duty Of ₹ 2 Proposed On Unblended Fuel.

In a bid to promote the usage of blended fuel, the budget presented has intoduced an additional excise duty of ₹ 2 on Unblended Fuel from October 2022.

To dissuade the use of unblended fuel, an additional excise duty of ₹ 2 will be levied on it starting from October 2022.

Blended fuels are a mix of Petrol or Diesel with liquids like Ethanol, and the result is lesser emissions.

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[Shreyans_Jain]

Originally Posted by volkman10

Additional Excise Duty Of ₹ 2 Proposed On Unblended Fuel.

In a bid to promote the usage of blended fuel, the budget presented has intoduced an additional excise duty of ₹ 2 on Unblended Fuel from October 2022.

There go all notions of blending leading to any cost benefit to users. The consumer is going to be penalised for using normal petrol. The consumer is going to be penalised for using blended petrol as just about every vehicle on the road is not E20 compatible. It is lose lose.

[condor]

Originally Posted by Nilesh5417

I dread to think if the farmers shift their crops to satisfy the ehtanol demand. Esp if a crop like sugarcane takes over the fertile land beyond Maharashtra and UP..

What makes you think it has not already spread ? Go out to the rural areas where water is available, and soil suitable - everyone is growing sugar cane. And at the moment, only for sugar factories. Once blending is more established, it will only grow further.

[Floyd de Souza]

I thought the petrol they are selling is already E10. Is this not true?

[Mafia]

Originally Posted by condor

What makes you think it has not already spread ? Go out to the rural areas where water is available, and soil suitable - everyone is growing sugar cane. And at the moment, only for sugar factories. Once blending is more established, it will only grow further.

There are many small jaggery(gur in Hindi) producers also who produce the ethanol in and around Mandya, south west of Bangalore. Sugar cane is grown abundantly here.

I feel using it for fuel will actually affect the alcohol industry and hit the micro breweries from what little I know.

[condor]

Originally Posted by Mafia

I feel using it for fuel will actually affect the alcohol industry and hit the micro breweries from what little I know.

The cultivation is far more wide-spread than that. In south KA, Mandya region is a sugar belt. Areas around Bangalore, or Malnad dont. North KA again, well cutlivated.

There is a larger silent push that India is doing in coordination with some other major sugarcane cultivating countries to develop the ethanol industry for use in fuels, and other applications. Fuel itself will get dearer, and this blending is part of actions to offset that.

btw, not recent an article: target by 2030 is 20% ethanol in petrol and 5% for diesel.
https://www.republicworld.com/india-...0than%200.1%25.

[Hayek]

Personally see the ₹2 additional excise duty as a positive - I don’t pay extra for fuel with additives but would gladly pay ₹2 or 3 extra for petrol without being adulterated with ethanol. Hope enough people think like I do so that there is adequate supply of pure petrol.

[Sushil Pingua]

Originally Posted by Hayek

Personally see the ₹2 additional excise duty as a positive - I don’t pay extra for fuel with additives but would gladly pay ₹2 or 3 extra for petrol without being adulterated with ethanol. Hope enough people think like I do so that there is adequate supply of pure petrol.

Seems I am in the lucky part of India then...

https://www.business-standard.com/ar...0100996_1.html

Consumers in parts of eastern states with negligible fuel blending infrastructure are going to be impacted by the Rs 2 per litre additional excise duty.

[Akshay6988]

Originally Posted by volkman10

Additional Excise Duty Of ₹ 2 Proposed On Unblended Fuel.

In a bid to promote the usage of blended fuel, the budget presented has intoduced an additional excise duty of ₹ 2 on Unblended Fuel from October 2022.






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So owning a car in the country is going to be even more costly huh ? Here's a solution to government - own all of our vehicles and we'll put in a request whenever we would want to go on a drive like subscription service I don't understand why the hell there's a tax on unblended fuel ? If I use blended fuel in my car and it affects my engine, then who's going to pay for the repair costs ? Will there be subsidy for this scenario ? Just another brainless decision which does nothing for the common man. Don't come at me with environmental benefits shenanigans that these blended fuels are going to provide, I don't care and they do more harm than good. I just want to enjoy my car fussfree, I'm already paying the government too much.