[ashtorque]

Originally Posted by morphique

The new on-road price is 9.40L (instead of 9.13L) after correction!

Just came back from the VW showroom after doing a in-premise TD of the GT TDi. The price quoted is 9.16L OTR Pune.

[prithwi-81]

VW Dealers in delhi have the GT TDI on display, but no TD vehicles available. Checked in gurgaon as well and the same is the situation there.

Having driven the Polo Cup Cars (1.6TDI), i can say that these lil diesel motors are great fun, and can do some serious ego damage to the bigger germans/Japanese out there.

Kudo's to VW on launching the new age hot hatch revolution in India.. the CrossPolo on the other hand is classic facepalm.

[satyaanveshi]

Originally Posted by tbppjpr

Well I don't think VW will remove the 1.6 from Vento. There is no sense in removing the 1.6 TDI from Vento because Vento is more than 4 meters longer car hence no saving in extra taxes if they plonk a smaller engine.

You are mistaken, my friend. There is indeed a tax saving, even for cars longer than 4m. The Vento 1.6 suffers 27% excise, which will reduce to 24% for the Vento 1.5. If the tax benefit is passed on, it would mean a reduction of 2.36% in ex-showroom prices, i.e. Rs. 23,600 for a car currently priced at Rs. 10 lakh. The impact on OTR prices may be much more significant if this excise saving enables VW to price a given model at just below Rs. 10 lakh, as many states levy considerably higher rates of road tax for cars priced above Rs. 10 lakh.

The benefit in the Polo's case is of course much higher. Polo 1.6 suffers 27% excise, whereas Polo 1.5 TDI will suffer just 12%.

If and when the 1.5 TDI becomes a reality, it will make sense for VW to use it in both the Polo and the Vento. Apart from tax benefits, they may get some efficiencies in production/assembly as well if the 1.5 TDI does duty on both the Polo and the Vento.

[tbppjpr]

Originally Posted by murajith

4. Fuel Economy is against what i have learnt all these days. Its lower than Vento . Am i missing something here?

Maybe the test drive car hasn't clocked the ideal 4-5K kms after that mileage improves. You can expect similar FE in both the cars in real time driving conditions.

5. Suspension- Not sure if they have done anything better with it for the increased weight of the engine, i felt the suspension has improved for good (atlreast for my test drive stretch).

Polo is slightly better in dynamics department compared to Vento. Vento's suspension tuning is usual 'sedan' type. Another big benefit about Polo is you don't have to be worried about the rear on road humps, Vento has tendency to scrap the rear-underbody on road humps, speed breakers if not negotiated with due care.

My wife who tried sitting in the rear seat said, she felt a better legroom. She had rejected Polo while we were thinking between polo and vento few months back, saying polo was so cramped for rear benchers. SA said they have increased legroom by 4mm by better design (read as better contouring of rear side of front row seats). But i guess that's helped.

Thats true, newer Polo's have better fitted seat fabrics/covers, hence the rear legroom feels improved. Though the same thing is there in older Polos as well but the seat fabric fitting is not loosely fitted at rear of front seats.

Originally Posted by satyaanveshi

You are mistaken, my friend. There is indeed a tax saving, even for cars longer than 4m. The Vento 1.6 suffers 27% excise, which will reduce to 24% for the Vento 1.5.

Thanks for reminding, I really missed that part. There also some tax slabs in some states where tax is increased after a certain ex-showroom price so that also maybe a advantage here.

[differential]

I TD'd the polo gt tdi today. quite a surprise actually as the people from vw coimbatore called my number, fixed an appointment and brought the car over to my place..

I had registered for the TD on the website and this was quite unexpected, esp. from vw.

Exterior:
it was a white GT and wont stand out from the regular HL unless one looks closely for the GT badges. the fifth wheel is a full size alloy.

Interior:
Essentially the same as a TSI without the dsg lever. straight forward and functional - not a bad place at all.

Drive:
Bone stock suspension, brakes and tyres. No ESP.

Engine noise heard inside cabin, not loud as, say a figo.

Vibrations on clutch pedal + (not reassuring).

The car moves of smoothly with almost nil throttle, surprisingly not much of turbo lag, the power is more linear - though you still feel a shove at around 2000 rpm. The car reaches triple digits rapidly.

I drove about 15 km and it was a mixture of village roads and highways. The car handled itself pretty well over wavy and bumpy roads. I was quite happy with the ride as there was no bobbing of the front end, something i found not pleasing in the vento. The suspension is more comfort oriented and there is a fair amount of body roll.

the brakes are just about adequate and aggressive drivers would be left wanting. I drive a figo and I somehow felt the figo to be more surefooted over the same set of corners. But that aside, the performance would satisfy the majority of drivers, save a few.

The weather was pleasant, so not an ideal time to comment on the ACC.

All in all I personally liked the car, esp. the torque.. But, all this comes at an OTR of almost 9.45 in coimbatore.

I drive a figo, so these are my views based on my experience with the figo.

All said and done, would i sell my 3 yr old figo to buy one ? I would seriously consider a GT (but not necessarily the tdi), because
1. i drive 99.9% of the time
2. has all the tech I need (would not mind a few more airbags and ESP)
3. has a capability to handle both city and highway duties with ease
4. The TORQUE.

[vyasachetan]

Guys,
GT TDI or GT TSIor Rapid TDI Elegance?
I drive a honda city Brecht type z, daily commute.. 30kms in Bangalore traffic, trips every alternate month, I have a heavy foot!
Since this will replace the city and stay alongside the second car a santro.
Scared to buy a petrol looking at the way prices are going up and the tsi with hard driving might deliver single digit mileage.
Will I miss the boot and leg space at the back is what I am worried as this will be my primary car.

Also any cost advantage in spares in the long run between rapid and polo for parts like brake disks etc.
I plan to get a remap done if it's the tdi.

Need your suggestions?

[tbppjpr]

Originally Posted by vyasachetan

Guys,
GT TDI or GT TSIor Rapid TDI Elegance?

I drive a honda city Brecht type z, ...
...Since this will replace the city and stay alongside the second car a santro.

Why downgrade from a sedan to hatch, Vento/Rapid seem better choice here.

daily commute.. 30kms in Bangalore traffic, trips every alternate month, I have a heavy foot!

Scared to buy a petrol looking at the way prices are going up and the tsi with hard driving might deliver single digit mileage.

Diesel it should be.

Will I miss the boot and leg space at the back is what I am worried as this will be my primary car.

Boot is not a issue in Polo but you definitely get better leg space in Polo's sedan versions.

Also any cost advantage in spares in the long run between rapid and polo for parts like brake disks etc.

If its going to be 1.6 TDI then maintenance cost will be almost similar.

I plan to get a remap done if it's the tdi.

There is big potential with turbo charged diesel cars while remapping, same is the case with turbo charged petrol (TSI) as well.

[zebo]

Originally Posted by vyasachetan

Guys,
GT TDI or GT TSIor Rapid TDI Elegance?
I drive a honda city Brecht type z, daily commute.. 30kms in Bangalore traffic, trips every alternate month, I have a heavy foot!
Since this will replace the city and stay alongside the second car a santro.
Scared to buy a petrol looking at the way prices are going up and the tsi with hard driving might deliver single digit mileage.
Will I miss the boot and leg space at the back is what I am worried as this will be my primary car.

Also any cost advantage in spares in the long run between rapid and polo for parts like brake disks etc.
I plan to get a remap done if it's the tdi.

Need your suggestions?

I will be getting mine remapped at pete's in Kochi, increase to 130 Bhp and 300 nm. it will turn it into a rocket on the roads. I am also planning beilstein B6 and H&R springs for the suspension. More for later.

[sriramv.iyer]

Originally Posted by differential

Drive:
Bone stock suspension, brakes and tyres. No ESP.

Engine noise heard inside cabin, not loud as, say a figo.

Vibrations on clutch pedal + (not reassuring).

When I was in market for a car early 2012, Vento was the car in my mind. Unfortunately, the vibrations in the clutch pedal was something I cannot live with. The SA said that the clutch vibrations was because it was an old car and was abused. So, I came back a week later when he said that the new model Vento TDI had come for test drive. It had EXACTLY the same amount of vibrations in the clutch. I finally took a new Ford Fiesta for its drive dynamics, despite being way more expensive (still cannot justify the cost, but the car makes up for it while cornering)

Sad to hear that even GT TDI has such vibrations. I was planning to recommend this over the GT TSI for one of my friends. May be GT TSI is good for her since it has hill hold and is an automatic. I thought TDI would have made sense given her long commute.

Secondly, India specific engines are a pain. There is no easy remap options since the entire world uses the 1.6L engines. For e.g., there is no remap whatsoever from globally reputed companies still for the Ford 1.5TDCi. I somehow cannot convince my mind to use the same ECU override / remaps developed for 1.6 for 1.5. When Polo 1.5 is launched, it will be the same scenario. Too small a market to create and test these performance enhancements (which is a significantly smaller market, give the overall TAM has reduced)

Good idea to pick up 1.6 TDI for enthusiasts who want to tune their machines.

[Tats07]

Originally Posted by vyasachetan

Guys,
GT TDI or GT TSIor Rapid TDI Elegance?

I would recommend Rapid TDI Elegance if you look at the petrol price factor. I have driven it, found it to be an excellent vehicle and better than its VW sibling. Strictly my opinion.

But if you're looking at a great drive, it HAS to be GT TSI! A manual would have been better (for me, i.e.) but I understand that DSG is in a class of its own.

[prithwi-81]

Hill Hold is there in the TDI. Tested n Confirmed. no ESP.

[differential]

Originally Posted by prithwi-81

Hill Hold is there in the TDI. Tested n Confirmed. no ESP.

Hi there. Are you sure about the hill hold. The SE who had brought the car was very sure and he was fairly well informed.

The website also does not mention hill hold.

Jus wanted to clarify

[MindSpeeDs]

Originally Posted by prithwi-81

Hill Hold is there in the TDI. Tested n Confirmed. no ESP.

How would hill hold work in MT?

[prithwi-81]

Same way it works in my VRS and Laura TSI. Holds rear brakes for a few secs while u engage clutch.

[raj.barcode]

Originally Posted by brraj

A weeks time.



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Congrats rajeev, have lots of fun!!

surely will be one scorcher of a machine.