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Originally Posted by mayankjha1806 Excellent topic, although i would respectfully disagree to the title Older model better.
Why? because better is a very subjective word. Something that looks better to me may not look the same way to many others. All the time the manufacturers try to change things for the better (In whatever department they deem fit) some folks like it and some dont, so its a mixed bag. |
I wasn't talking about looks at all - if you read my original post you'll see that I was talking about the functional / performance / joy / fun aspect of the car in question. There are enough models where you can easily claim that the older model, was in fact, better. Check the bottom of this post and you'll find nothing subjective about those choices.
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Originally Posted by vb-san Completely agree. Nice topic, but most of the replies are on just personal preferences I guess.
I personally like the newer versions always. In some cases it just take time to get over the goodness of the old one - for e.g.; the 5 series. When the current 5 was launched, I initially thought its a step backwards, but when I look at it now, I feel the current 5 is really a well sorted out piece of engineering from the German giant.
One car with which I really thought the old one was better - The Honda City which replaced the first gen in India was really a bad work. |
I completely agree with you - I was (and still am) a HUGE fan of the E60 5-series. When the F10 came out I thought it looked drab in comparison, but the more I see it the more I appreciate it's overall proportions and stance. But my post wasn't about the looks, it was about the car as a whole.
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Originally Posted by deetjohn I guess this thread is about main stream cars. I agree, the current Health, Safety, Environment regulations play a massive role in making the newer generation a lot less sharp, blunt & fun... than the model it replaces. Is it a good thing? I don't know.
For high end sports cars, this is a very good discussion with Chris Harris on the topic. |
I've seen this, and it's an excellent video. I for one, think that the bigger and heavier our cars get, the less involving they are to drive. Weight KILLS feedback.
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Originally Posted by kmirchia Excellent thread, must-say.
Couple of cars, which I wonder why no-one's mentioned:
1. Old Fiesta compared to the claustrophobic new one.
2. W140 compared to the crap Mercedes is peddling as an S-Class these days. (or ever after it as a matter of fact)
The Zen and the OHC will of course always be on the list. |
I haven't driven the new Fiesta so I wouldn't know. I'm a massive fan of it's looks in the hatchback avatar, but like said this isn't about looks alone. Strange that you feel it's claustrophobic... have you seen this video by any chance?
Jeremy tests the Ford Fiesta (series 12, episode 6) - BBC Top Gear Quote:
Originally Posted by vb-san In Ikon’s case, I guess the downgrading was more to give space to the Fiesta. It started with the introduction of the Flair variant. I remember, in 2003 I went to check out the Flair, and went back home with a 1.6 ZXI NxT
In actual fact, the Ikon’s successor was the Fiesta (now Classic), which by itself is quite a good car. |
Its the same story with me - my Mom wanted to buy a car in 2004 and was looking at something basic like a small hatch. I took her to the Ford showroom and quietly told the salesman that if he showed us the 1.3 Flair he could forget about making the sale. We were only interested in the 1.6L. Was the Fiesta really the successor to the Ikon? I don't think so... I think they were two separately distinct models. The Ikon was really the Ford Ka with a boot.
My personal list of cars where I felt the old one was better. This is based on personal experience or reports from close friends, and goes beyond looks.
1. The Type-2 Honda City (the 'dolphin) wasn't as good as the previous generation. Yes it was more comfortable, better equipped, and much better ergonomically, but it took away the essential
Honda-ness of the model - the high-revving engine, the performance, and the handling.
2. The W210 Merc E-Class wasn't as good as the outgoing W124. I drove both, and the W124 seemed like it had a better chassis, and a more precise germanic feel when you drove it. It just seemed like a better sorted out car.
3. The 1.2L K-series Swift Petrol engine was nowhere near as much fun to drive as the old 1.3L engine. The punch was gone, and if you take away the driving joy from a Swift then you've compromised the entire essence of the car.
4. The Zen Estilo was such a bad, bad, piece of machinery compared to the original Zen (regardless of whether the Estilo was nothing but a re-bodied Wagon R, it was still sold as a Zen). And I'm not just talking about looks - the handling, the quality, the performance - everything seemed substandard in that car.
5. The Palio Stile was such a pale shadow of it's former self. They neutered the car by taking away the only two great qualities it had - performance and handling.