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Originally Posted by himavanth_m While I understand that Ertiga is 4.2 m length, a 1.2 litre engine will get excise savings for engine itself. My understanding is that both attributes are independent.
If a car is 4.2 m length and engine is 1.2 litre engine, then it will get excise cut only for the engine.
If a car is sub 4 metre, but engine is 1.6 litre engine, then it will get the excise cut based on length , but no cuts on engine.
Is my above understanding correct?
Or if a car is 4.2 m but engine is 1.2 litre, then is the car entitled to no cuts at all? |
under 4m and under 1.2 litre petrol 1.5 litre diesel = 12% excise
under 4m above 1.2 litre petrol 1.5 litre diesel = 24% excise (not very sure)
above 4m and under 1.5 litre = 24% excise
above 4m and above 1.5 litre = 27% excise
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Originally Posted by GTO My response to the pricing is lukewarm. Think of it this way : What do you get over the Swift? An extra row of seats. That's it. The price difference for that 3rd row of seats is 2 lakh rupees! Not like the 3rd row is exceptionally spacious either.
Yes, the 2nd row does have more space than the Swift (with the seats pushed back) so you have to consider how much that is worth to you. While the Ertiga does have more powerful engines, the Swift is lighter. Thus, expect performance to be similar (or the Swift to be quicker still). |
ZDI swift = 677,000 - Ertiga ZDI = 845,000. 1.68 lakhs diff (could be diff for other model)
Swift ZDI excise = 5,25,000 x 12 % = 63,000 - 6,00,000 x 24 % = 144,000 = 81000 extra excise
81000 extra excise over swift +12,000 development cost over and above swift - 1.68 lakhs = 75,000 for extra cost of two seats + blower ac+ body work + profit on extra cost for manufacturer and dealer.
75,000 for all that is reasonable. What i think is that they could not have done better. Now if swift is over priced. ???
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Originally Posted by suhaas307 ^^ You've got a great point.
But one must also consider this:
So you see, for 4-5 lakhs more, you not only get a proper MUV, you get so much more car.
The Ertiga on the other hand, costs 2 lakhs more than the Swift. For what? An extra bench that can be used only by kids? |
Swift 6.77 ex showroom and Innova 13.5 ex showroom top versions. 6.5 lakhs extra should get you a whole proper MUV + give gov taxes.
Swift 6.77 ex showroom and Ertiga 8.45 ex showroom top versions. 1.68 lakhs gets you two seats a blower + gives gov taxes.
Exactly its for kids two more seats for kids over swift. ( we cant even get more leg room and boot together) but i dont think how maruti could have priced it better and as mentioned above.
And the space and seating is still a question see below.
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Originally Posted by sumeshmani My thoughts were on similar lines.
1) Let's say we fold away the last row, will the middle row still have the full travel?
2) when pushed all the way back, can the middle row seat three in comfort for long distances?
I sure hope this aspects is checked by GTO and other bhpians reviewing ertiga. |
AS far i can see when thrid row seats are folded down the space for middle row is at par at dzire or less. they definitely don't go all back, infact come front from middle position. (quite bad)
so if its is same as DZire we getting a big boot no extra comfort /space once seat folded down.
IF less than that of Dzire then we getting less space once seat folded down. (that will be bad). in that case we have to use third row without folding for luggage to get dzire leg room atleast.
Space utilisation is a muv all about and Ertiga might get this mixed up.
Now if the third row was pushed back like the XUV with no space and it made sure that the third row get more space and folds down without pushing the middle row in front. Would that be better. i think so. but some many people want that space.
now if the legroom is less that dzrie after 3rd row down. we either use leg space or big boot we would have choose. would be first in its class, to be what i call half MUV.
In the end the question is how much value addition it does over Swift, Dzire or Innova (price wise), Is upto the person who wants to buys.
Best value for money for 4 + 2 who want refined (not xylo, sumo ) small, easy, a maruti. for others 2 extra kid seat for 2 lakhs. not as good as innova etc..