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3rd October 2011, 15:18 | #106 | |
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It ain't no harm if they want their workers to follow the standard quality norms while still making money in rupees - remember, they are still making money and are above the rest of the 70% below poverty line in our nation. I see a lot has been said about the time punch being a second or two delayed - where do you draw the line? Whatever log-in time you set, do you expect a few seconds buffer to be there? What's the point then? Let's the workers come in at whatever time they want and complete their shift hours and go back - ain't that simpler? | |
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3rd October 2011, 15:30 | #107 | ||||
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The labour laws in our country are a major reason why the employees don't get compensation commensurate with the company's growth , but then the employee unions are themselves to blame for having no progress on that front. Anyway, the merits and demerits of exit policies are beyond the scope of forum Quote:
Till date Maruti was operating in a growing market and they could wait till the employees blinked, but with market slowing down and competition hotting up, they will not have the freedom next time Quote:
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3rd October 2011, 15:33 | #108 |
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| Re: MSIL factory strike: Workers deliberately sabotaging the quality of cars. Dear zzzehar I too work in one such outsourced company working for various clients. If i am coming late to office, i am not conned of my salary .what mgmt expect from me is that i will work designated 9 hours in office . if a worker is coming 2 second late , he should be expected to compensate the co for those 2 second rather than co cutting his half days wage. what about rest of 4 hours that he worked for free to co in such scenario's. there are lot many other things which they need to consider before putting workers under such stress . So clearly a line is drawn in above scenario. Your in / out time from premises decides your working hours. no grey area here and what about people going to washrooms with their lunches / tea cup;s in hand. I am sure that since strike is over now, every worker will be forced to stretch his working hours to min 14-16 hours a day to cover for previous month. What about policies of MSIL , where they get more if they work over time . so MSIL itself is promoting over time. is that legal?? workers has increased the output to 125 % of the installed capacity, where is that extra earned by MSIL. that goes to parent MSIL and workers, they continue to struggle, trying both ends meets. Additionally 70% of the labor is contractual. why ???? when rules clearly says that it should be used for meet emergencies scenarios and short term labor needs only . |
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3rd October 2011, 18:03 | #109 | ||||
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It cannot be true that all the managements at Honda Motorcycle Scooters India Ltd ,Hero Honda ( now Hero Motocop) and Honda SIEL and many other auto ancillary units in this belt are all " bunch of high profile arrogant / egoistic and useless people who has no respect for those very people , on whose basis they are earning everything" .Another very sweeping and biased statement. I beg to totally disagree. Lastly, I would again say that both sides viz. the management and the workers should exercise restraints not cross their limits. The management must be quite cordial and also hear the contract worker's woes from time to time, try to resolve grievances, make them work decently and also have wage agreements, revising wages every year. The contract workers must be more devoted and do their duties in an unblemished way, diligently and keep the company's flag flying high. Last edited by anjan_c2007 : 3rd October 2011 at 18:28. | ||||
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3rd October 2011, 18:20 | #110 |
Senior - BHPian | Re: MSIL factory strike: Workers deliberately sabotaging the quality of cars. Although all the profits are not going to Suzuki , a sizeable amount is going to Suzuki in the form of royalty payments - and this is beyond the dividend payout to Suzuki as a shareholder : Royalty payments, higher input costs dent Maruti Suzuki - Money - DNA On the subject of sabotage by the MSIL workers , here's an extract from the previous Tehelka report Tehelka - India's Independent Weekly News Magazine Throughout the current crisis, the company has had on its side the police, the labour commissioner, the politicians, its bouncers as well as most of the media. On 28 August, Maruti Suzuki called a large police backup inside its Manesar plant and suspended 21 workers on charges of “sabotaging production and deliberately causing quality problems”, and terminated or suspended some others too. The alleged sabotage is of “vehicle door not properly clamped leading to doors falling during production, cutting wiring harnesses, dents on the body and critical components not fitted on vehicles”, but the spokesperson presented no evidence to TEHELKA of these charges except pointing to declining production and ‘Quality OK’ numbers on 23, 24 and 25 August. The spokesperson wouldn’t confirm if there’s any video evidence from the numerous surveillance cameras but did claim to have photographs. It is also important to remember that the media generates good revenues from the auto companies ( MSIL included) , the workers have hardly anything in their favor. Last edited by sdp1975 : 3rd October 2011 at 18:30. |
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3rd October 2011, 18:26 | #111 | ||||
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I will tell you. AFAIK , workers in g'gaon factory are majorly permanent employees and all paid well . where as maneshar is 70 % contract labor picked from ITI;s and are grossly underpaid . company promotes over time to suck every blood out of their vains . Quote:
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3rd October 2011, 20:53 | #112 | |
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And they already have R&D going on in Manesar. That however, doesn't take away the fact that Maruti is paying massive royalties to Suzuki and has been terribly lax at doing something on it's own. | |
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3rd October 2011, 22:14 | #113 | |
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As for simmering industrial unrest at many places in the country, I think many multinationals are indulging in labour practices which they will not dare to adopt in their own country. Case in point is workers in Chennai Nokia factory earning Rs 4k a month. Another is a few posts back someone mentioning if the current lot of workers leave, fresh ones will take their place at even lower wages. Can Suzuki adopt a similar attitude in their US plants? Will they not be roasted on a skewer? All this happens because of the ridiculous minimum wages in our country, where crooks called MPs fix their own pay at 60 - 70K a month! And companies employing 70% contract labour, which is against the law, are winked at. And the govt has even provided a way to by-pass all laws - they are called SEZs! I refuse to believe the workers deliberately sabotaged the quality of the cars, despite MSIL management crying aloud from the roof tops. This is just inciting public opinion, in connivance with the media. No worker worth his salt will do it. Last edited by Gansan : 3rd October 2011 at 22:18. | |
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3rd October 2011, 23:09 | #114 | |
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Japanese principles of work must also be matched by Japanese employee welfare schemes also. | |
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4th October 2011, 08:33 | #115 |
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And how do the stakeholders benefit? By better profits and revenue generation, which is because of better sales. |
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4th October 2011, 08:56 | #116 | |
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I have been working night shifts since last over 10 years of my career. I'd love the opportunity to spend my 10 hours during the day time - or whatever time suits me as long as it gets the job done. In a production / manufacturing environment, there are only so many people you need in a given time slot in respective sections or units - this roster is prepared considering resource availability. If people start coming in late as per their wish and justify that by putting in the expected hours of work, there will be a huge spill over to the next shift thus, leading to wastage of man hours. Example: I need 15 people from 9 am to 6 pm (or in any given shift) in paint booth and the next shift starts at 6 pm again. Of those 15 people, if two come in at 10 am and intend to stay back till 7 pm, where would you allocate resources for the two employees from the 6 pm shift? - do you expect them to sit idle? Or do you expect the management to do a behavior analysis and basis the lack of discipline in employees, they assume that a handful of employees from the required headcount in a specific shift would be running late, therefore, the next shifts should be planned accordingly? There are very clear labor laws on over time defined by every state which I am sure the infamous worker union is well aware of, and needless to mention, there are legal complications attached to it - even in my org. Somewhere above someone talked about workers dedicating their lives to the same org and not considering the better options available elsewhere - well, if they were so inclined on day one, where has all the commitment gone? Being an employee myself, I prefer aligning my goals to my organization's goals and keep the bigger picture in mind. Similarly, Maruti would not have accepted such huge amount of bookings if they didn't expect their workers to work diligently and give the desired output. I am sure these workers have grown a lot professionally since the times of Maruti 800 - in the end, everyone wins - some monetarily and some professionally [experience]. It isn't exactly a cakewalk to run an org where employees threaten to go on a strike every now and then. If Maruti had to set an example by firing a few, it was right. Did you not read that quite a few workers actually signed the 'code of good conduct'? - what had gotten them? I am sure it couldn't have been the 'work is worship' proverb. If they think going on a strike solves problems or sabotaging the quality does - it reflects sheer immaturity on their part. There are a lot of educated engineers out there waiting for companies like Maruti to hire them, lots. | |
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4th October 2011, 08:59 | #117 |
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It would be extremely foolish on Maruti's part to gather publicity via such a comment - didn't happen. |
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Also in some of the industries (For e.g software) contractors get paid more per hour than a permanent employees since they don't have any benefits - in this plant it seems to be different !!. Talking about Japanese discipline etc, Japanese companies and employees prefer lifetime employment. Akio Morito (Sony fame) himself talks about this in his book - he comments about how difficult it is for companies and employees if people are not looking at a long term commitment. Given that these employees are compared to Jap workers, then why are they all contract workers and not permanent workers? Quote:
Nothing personal here - but why are we all so against unions? Yes, they did a lot of bad things - but does it make every strike and every union bad? Here is a classic case where workers seem to be having a genuine problem and no one supports them !!. | ||
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4th October 2011, 11:13 | #120 |
Distinguished - BHPian | Re: MSIL factory strike: Workers deliberately sabotaging the quality of cars. Maruti Suzuki goes swift on production! "This will help us increase the output of Swift to 17,000 units a month from our historical highs of 12,000 units a month," a senior Maruti Suzuki official told ET. The company will also resume normal production of SX4 and A-star models. With increased supplies, Maruti Suzuki expects to reduce the waiting time by at least a couple of months for Swift, which has got bookings of 1,08,000 units. The current waiting period for the hatchback is eight to nine months." http://http://economictimes.indiatim...w/10225610.cms Cheers! |
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