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Originally Posted by S350L-E240
Here's the gains assuming you take all packages on A6 besides LED
1. HUD (This is a cool feature to have esp. now with navigation)
2. Rear Screen Entertainment, and they are the best screen integration in all 3.
3. Navigation System ( some may say it's not that useful but so are a lot other things)
4. Comfort Key (Only for the ignition)
Losses are:
1. Adaptive Air Suspension with Ride height, (This is a huge + for A6 to raise the car)
2. Quattro, (but then a lot will prefer RWD, subjective so no point in debating)
Make no mistake A6 is brilliant not doubting that at all but so is the BMW 530d, I am only saying the car has a very good competition and Audi India should have figured a way to get the engines etc. assembled locally as the entire price rise is only due to that and nothing else. And I am told by the dealer that will happen in coming months,
Just for reference here are OTR prices for Audi A6 3.0 TDI & BMW 530d
Audi A6 (Incl LED) - 60,98,000 INR (No discounts being a new product)
BMW 530d - 52,48,000 INR (Incl of 2.0 Lac discount)
Mercedes-Benz E350 CDI Avantgarde 55,34,000 INR (Incl 2.0 Lac discount)
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Are the prices of the A6 that much more expensive than the competition?
Since we are in the market, I saw the E Class and the A6, and the difference in prices for the base trim in both models came to around 4L without any discounts (which I was told was only for the monsoon season by the Mercedes dealership).
If you add the Bose music system, comfort key, and WCI package, the prices are more or less similar to each other, and the Audi seems like better VFM here. I am avoiding the LED lights, as at nearly 3L, I doubt it would find many takers.
Now, my pros and cons list are like this:
Audi - Pros: Better interiors, better design, better engine, better FE (not that it matters much in this segment), Air suspension, and Quattro
Audi - Cons: Not as much safety kit as Mercedes, not the best rear seats.
As for the 530d, no doubt it is a brilliant car, but once again, according to ACI (not interested in buying the F10, so didn't bother with the prices and stuff), they again come for similar prices - discounting the LED lights, and not taking into account the discounts as in a few months all the cars will be worth the same in terms of pricing after discounts - the pros and cons are like this:
Audi Pros - Better interiors and design (the F10 though very subtle, doesn't seem to look very impressive either. I love subtle designs such as the old A8, but this just doesn't excite me at all!), similar level of kit (the BMW has rear entertainment screens, but I doubt how much that would be used. The Audi on the other hand has the Bose system, something more useful. Also, the Audi has Quattro and an air suspension. However, the BMW has the HUD and navigation system). Also, the A6 has reportedly better body control than the 5 series according to ACI, though the 530D has a better steering.
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Originally Posted by PlatzdaTurbo Be rest assured your opinion will remain the same when you see it in flesh. The interiors are tastefully done with quality and overall feel of the cabin being absolutely sumptuous.
That apart, WHATTT an engine for the top end diesel ![EEK!](https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/images/smilies/eek.png) . Just went through a comparo of the 3.0tdi vs 530d vs 350 cdi. Ratings remain more or less the same with a 5bhp increase to 245bhp and identical torque -500NM. That makes this engine 40NM short on maximum torque compared to the Propeller and the Star and equal on horses to the BMW and much more than the Mercedes. However, inspite of sporting AWD, it has identical weight to the 530d ,viz. 1720kgs and the torque kicks in earlier compared to the Beemer. ( 1400rpm vs the beemer's 1750)
This has got to be an absolute road burner with 0-100 tested at 6.1secs ! My lighter A4 with the same 3.0 TDI engine and 1680kgs is 6.2secs to the ton. Apparently though, the new 7-speed DSG seems to be playing spoil sport as its jerky on the downshifts ( my 6-speed has no such issues) so am waiting to see how it fares in , 'in-gear acceleration' vis-a-vis the BMW's 8-speed. Should be fun |
True, but as this will be a 99% chauffeur driven car, we are looking at the A6 2.0 TDi. No point spending 9L extra for a more powerful engine and a Quattro system that will never be used. Heck, I could get myself a new car in that much!
The main thing that we are looking for is rear seat comfort (E Class wins), interior and exterior design (A6), ride quality (A6), and exclusivity (A6). This is something most buyers do consider as well. However, the build quality of the Merc feels superior, even though the A6 is equally strong, if not stronger. To be very honest, the Merc is still quite tempting simply due to the rear seat design which was very comfortable, but the Audi is something Dad would like as he is a big fan of the brand.
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Originally Posted by S350L-E240 lamborghini, Traditionally, the driving experience has always done the same – and there’s no change with this new version. The A6 isn’t quite as comfy as an E-Class or quite as sporty as a 5-Series. It falls between the two, but it still strikes a neat balance.
It doesn’t feel quite as good an all-rounder as the 5-Series though. No matter which Drive Select mode you choose, the steering feels completely removed from the action.
But it’s still magnificent at covering long distances with ease. And the ace up the Audi’s sleeve is four-wheel drive. Featuring the RS5’s crown-gear centre differential and torque vectoring, there’s always plenty of traction and given the UK’s recent harsh winters will be reason enough for many buyers to make a purchase.
Has the A6 finally thrown a sucker punch at the 5-Series? Well, it’s genuinely good looking, extremely efficient, spacious and good to drive. It’s also remarkably well equipped and well made. If driver involvement is a priority then the 5-Series still takes it.
The two are matched on performance and economy, although the BMW is still the better of the two to drive. But, the gap is much narrower than before. Full Auto Express review here
Another point, very soon the 530d gets an upgrade to 258 bhp and 560 Nm of torque, the engine is currently on the X3 Xdrive30d, which will add to some more boost, and also bring down the fuel consumption and reduce carbon emissions, not that the 530d had any extra need for performance but with BMW pushing it hard not just for power but also efficiency , it's the upper end of the range where 530d is hard to ignore.
But this sure will be interesting, would be nice to have a complete comparison and owners reports soon as this is as close as it gets in the car market, some may choose the Audi, some BMW, and some Mercedes-Benz, but in a lot of ways all these cars are the finest and each only pushes the other to do better, and in my opinion for now BMW does everything better in India, Price included.
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Hey S350,
great to see your reply!
I agree with you about the design bit, but after coming from the E60 525d, the new F10 just seems to lack the aggressive character in terms of design and handling (according to reviews). While I love subtle looking cars such as the W140 and the previous gen Audi A8, the F10 just doesn't impress me as much. In fact, I find that it looks a bit awkward from some angles, and a little too subtle for a car of its class.
Also, I have spoken about the comparo and the likes elsewhere in this post. Hope to see your inputs on that too!
About the driving bit, I have heard on this forum and outside too, that the new 5 series isn't as much fun to drive. If the latest ACI review is anything to go by, the A6 seems to have better poise and grip, though the steering is missing in feel.
Also, the A6 is supposed to have the best ride quality combination amongst the BMW and the Merc. If this is the case, it does make a very strong case for itself, with an equally powerful engine and the likes. There is no denying that the 530D does everything quite well, and nothing poorly. However, there are very little aspects in which it is class leading. This 'jack of all trades' nature of the 5 Series seems to have been one of the reasons for its spectacular success in the marketplace.
However, at the end of the day, for the points mentioned in this thread (lack of exclusivity, not as much character, not the most comfortable to be driven in, etc.) it is out of our list. Especially when we have the E60 parked in our garage, a car which I thoroughly enjoy driving, and a car which made me want to buy a BMW for myself a few years down the line. However, the way BMW is losing it's performance and handling edge with each new model, coupled with their now boring design, it seems as though the only BMW I would want to get myself is the ones who's names start with a 'M'.
And until I can afford one, I don't see myself driving my very own BMW.
The battle rages on between the E250 and the A6 2.0. The E250 makes more sense given our requirements, but the A6 is what the heart wants, forcing us to look at the A6 a little more closely. After all, if it is your passion, you should indulge in it with your heart. For everything else, there is always the head!
Hope this makes sense!