[Sn1p3r]

Thank you Rajeev.

I am now also thinking about the micro43 cameras. Due to CES11 my wife says there are some good bargains.

Kindly suggest.

[Samurai]

Originally Posted by Sn1p3r

I am now also thinking about the micro43 cameras. Due to CES11 my wife says there are some good bargains.

Kindly suggest.

Kindly continue EVIL camera discussions here: http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/gadget...l-cameras.html

[shwetanshu]

I went to croma on saturday and saw two tripods. Both have almost the same extended height and price. Difference among the two being croma one has bag with it while sony one doesnt. Also Sony one is a tad smaller as compared to croma in normal state. both cost 1990. any suggestions as to buy which one?

[alpha1]

Sniper, if you have EVIL cameras in your mind, don't even bother looking at P&S (lesser featured + lower image quality) unless they are half the price.

And yes EVIL cams like Sony NEX-3, Panasonic G1, Oly E-PL1 are lesser priced than Canon G12, Nikon P7000, Panasonic LX3 or LX5 etc.

That makes the score 2-0

[dhanushs]

Guys, few days back, I went for a trip with my friend who happens to own a Nikon L110. I own a Nikon P100.

Somehow, I felt that my pictures lack color. We even tried with 'auto' mode, same place, same subject, same zoom, same everything, and still my pictures look colorless and I feel they also lack sharpness.

Any known reasons??..

[Sn1p3r]

^thanks Alpha1.

I think we have zeroed on alpha NEX 5. Thank you all for the recommendations, I can now talk photography somewhat Tbhp rocks!

[typeOnegative]

Originally Posted by lohithrao

Hi Folks after a lot of thinking have kind of decided to go for either Nikon P100 or Fuji HS10, now though Fuji specs looks good on paper am a bit worried about service part of it...

Any suggestions?

Dear Lohith, from a Service point of view Nikon is better than Fuji. But as a camera, the HS10 would be ahead by a long distance. For a good balance you can look at the Canon SX30IS.

[typeOnegative]

Originally Posted by Thad E Ginathom

And there is an HS30 on the way? I'm sure I saw it on Gizmodo only yesterday --- but can't find it now.

No there isn't. At least as far as I know.

On the HS20, there are two big changes to the HS20 which work against each other actually:

• It uses the EXR sensor - Yay! The Sony Backlit sensor sucks imho.
• Resolution is now pegged at 16MP - This is crazy. The sensor is still tiny. Expect the gains from the EXR technology to evaporate.

If someone can review it, it would be great. The HS10 and HS20 retain superb ergonomics and the only thing holding them back really is the image quality or lack of it.

[Thad E Ginathom]

I was looking at the Fuji site yesterday. Either I misread, or dreamt up that "3". The new model, as you say, is the HS20.

I'm still glad I didn't buy an HS10 in November.

[alpha1]

Originally Posted by dhanushs

Guys, few days back, I went for a trip with my friend who happens to own a Nikon L110. I own a Nikon P100.

Somehow, I felt that my pictures lack color. We even tried with 'auto' mode, same place, same subject, same zoom, same everything, and still my pictures look colorless and I feel they also lack sharpness.

Any known reasons??..

Is it actually lacking color or there is difference of exposure?
Usually human eyes prefer tad overexposed compared to under exposed pix.
And wrongly attribute better colors and sharpness to it.

Second, if it is really difference of colors, with same exposure, that is not possible since L110 and P100 are sensor wise same.

Sharpness may be different because of difference in lens assembly.

Suggest you to take both cameras, set them to manual mode.
Fix the ISO to lowest possible, Aperture to highest possible, exposure time to lowest possible. Of course keep in mind that manual mode with correct exposure (as indicated by the camera).

That will allow you the noise free ISO, brighter pic, and fast freezing shutter.

Now compare the pix.
In fact you can put up the pix here for pixel peeping comparison.

[vivekiny2k]

Originally Posted by typeOnegative

On the HS20, there are two big changes to the HS20 which work against each other actually:

• It uses the EXR sensor - Yay! The Sony Backlit sensor sucks imho.

for the purist, yes.

for the weirdos like me, losing CMOS in favor of EXR means missing the most important feature I bought HS10 for, the high speed movies. Only CMOS can handle that.

This was taken at night at 240 fps (i think) and brightness increased in movie maker since usually high speed videos come out much darker.

YouTube - jumping

[royalcruiser]

Originally Posted by typeOnegative

• It uses the EXR sensor - Yay! The Sony Backlit sensor sucks imho.
• Resolution is now pegged at 16MP - This is crazy. The sensor is still tiny. Expect the gains from the EXR technology to evaporate.

If someone can review it, it would be great. The HS10 and HS20 retain superb ergonomics and the only thing holding them back really is the image quality or lack of it.

I used to own a HS10 until I lost it in the London tube. And I definitely agree on the ergonomics part of it - unfortunately I could not quite use it enough to form an opinion on the IQ.
It would do you good to wait for the reviews to be out.

Originally Posted by vivekiny2k

for the purist, yes.

This was taken at night at 240 fps (i think) and brightness increased in movie maker since usually high speed videos come out much darker.

Thats neat!

I've now been playing around a bit with the FZ100 and sure beginning to like it! Spent some time this evening "shooting" the moon Here are some results - I've kept the focus at the same spot to the greatest extent possible and one thing is quite evident. This camera doesn't like higher ISOs. See the drop between ISO100 to ISO400
1 - ISO100 EV: -2/3
2 - ISO200 EV:-2/3
3 - ISO400 EV: -2/3

[SPARKled]

The little SD4000 aka HS300 was used by my wife at Little Rann of Kutch. She is pretty happy with these results. The little wonder takes pretty unbelievable pictures at iso 400 and 800 which was much better than I expected. At f2 I was able to take many photos without flash indoors. Overall I must say its a very good buy at 9k that I spent on it. But IMHO it is overpriced in India where the mrp is listed at around 25k.

[typeOnegative]

Originally Posted by vivekiny2k

for the purist, yes.

for the weirdos like me, losing CMOS in favor of EXR means missing the most important feature I bought HS10 for, the high speed movies. Only CMOS can handle that.

This was taken at night at 240 fps (i think) and brightness increased in movie maker since usually high speed videos come out much darker.

+0.5 to that mainly because I do not use the Video feature too much. BTW, damn cute video dude! Those are your kids?

Originally Posted by royalcruiser

I used to own a HS10 until I lost it in the London tube. And I definitely agree on the ergonomics part of it - unfortunately I could not quite use it enough to form an opinion on the IQ.
It would do you good to wait for the reviews to be out.

Yep I remember your loss. The pictures of the moon are pretty good. I am not looking at the HS20 though. Next stop DSLR. Though I would retain the HS10; especially now that vivek has reminded me of the movie feature.

Originally Posted by SPARKled

The little SD4000 aka HS300 was used by my wife at Little Rann of Kutch.

Pretty neat pictures. Liked the colours especially.

[dhanushs]

Originally Posted by alpha1

Is it actually lacking color or there is difference of exposure?
Usually human eyes prefer tad overexposed compared to under exposed pix.
And wrongly attribute better colors and sharpness to it.

There is a lack of color in it. Not exposure. Actually, I think the pics P100 takes in auto mode is a bit overexposed. I have to lower the exposure to bring out the details of the pics.

Check out the normal mode and lowered exposure mode pics.

Originally Posted by alpha1

Second, if it is really difference of colors, with same exposure, that is not possible since L110 and P100 are sensor wise same.

No, the sensors are different. P100 comes with a backlit CMOS sensor, where as L110 comes with a CCD sensor.

Originally Posted by alpha1

Sharpness may be different because of difference in lens assembly.

Suggest you to take both cameras, set them to manual mode

No Manual option in the L110, this is another one of the reason I preferred P100 over the L110.

Originally Posted by alpha1

Now compare the pix.
In fact you can put up the pix here for pixel peeping comparison.

Actually, I'm yet to get hold of the original resolution pic taken by the L110. Will post it here as soon as I get it.


Note: All the above pics have been taken in the 'Auto' mode. Pictures have been only compressed in Photoshop 7, no other changes.