[turbo]

After Huawei (discussed here (Google cuts ties with Huawei) and here (Huawei takes its last breath as it exits the smartphone sector in USA) ), now the Trump administration has designated Xiaomi as a “Communist Chinese military company”

The companies will be subject to a new U.S. investment ban which forces American investors to divest their holdings of the blacklisted firms by Nov. 11, 2021.

https://www.gsmarena.com/trump_admin...news-47229.php

https://www.xda-developers.com/xiaom...ary-blacklist/

Xiaomi stock in the USA fell 11%, following the ban.
https://www.livemint.com/companies/n...679782522.html


India followed USA in banning Huawei (and their sub-brand Honor), so it will be interesting to see if India again follows them.

EDIT:
An old 2014 news about Air Force banning Xiaomi to its personnel is re-surfacing https://www.indiatoday.in/technology...245-2014-10-22

[dailydriver]

Originally Posted by turbo

India followed USA in banning Huawei (and their sub-brand Honor), so it will be interesting to see if India again follows them.

At present, Xiaomi is one among the largest smartphone sellers in India. Millions of middle class Indians entered the smart tele world through the iconic but low priced Redmi 1S. The Note series helped the company consolidate its position in India.

All three smart phones I have had in the last five years have been Xiaomi's (Redmi). Most of the phones that I have recommended to, or bought for my near and dear ones have been manufactured by the company.

Besides, my fat to fit journey would have been less interesting and rewarding had I not had Mi Band as my companion.

I like to call Xiaomi the Maruti of the connectivity world

Xiaomi could easily be credited with bringing internet and social media to crores of Indian hands. Despite its many shortfalls, it accomplished what Karbon, Micromax and many others couldn't.

Any ban on Xiaomi in India would jeopardize the connectivity scene altogether. However, even if the government decides to make it a prospective ban by not touching the devices already in use, customers will end up suffering.

But can the inconvenience of the millions be reason enough not to push through a nationalistic agenda?

I hope it is.

Disclaimer: Typed on and sent using my two year old Redmi Note 7. So, I am obviously an interested party with a lot at stake!

[fhdowntheline]

Xiaomi simply was able to push through the Indian market because of sweet trade agreements with China. Micromax, Karbon would have never been able to match the scale of Xiaomi. The government is going to get into a “damned if I do, damned if I don’t “ situation over this. Interesting. At this rate, the Indian mobile phone market will look exactly like the PAL-HML duopoly of the 60-70s., i.e. Apple and Samsung.

[2000rpm]

What will people do if Google services stop working on Xiaomi !?

[turbo]

Originally Posted by 2000rpm

What will people do if Google services stop working on Xiaomi !?

Doesn't work like that.
All bans are future, not in retrospect.

For example, my Huawei Honor 8x still has all Google apps, and continues to work just fine. Ofcourse there will be no updates on it, but they won't just delete Google from your phone, or brick it with a software update. What happens is, Google, an American company, under order from the US government, just stops providing xiaomi the permission to use android software in its future products.

The new Huawei devices don't ship with Google apps, though, and no play store either,so there's no reason to buy that,and the brand's dying. Its like blackberry, they just stop giving updates.

[NaXal]

Originally Posted by 2000rpm

What will people do if Google services stop working on Xiaomi !?

Xiaomi is very open to having Custom ROMs so even if there is a ban, that's for Xiaomi not on components that makes up a Xiaomi Device.

So Xiaomi devices may come with Android but without Google Play Services or as they are called in tech word, GApps.

One can easily side load GApps with an active internet connection & couple of taps.

Android is open source, so even at this stage of complete
Huawei ban, there is nothing stopping them using Android OS and they do. It's a different story that they have their own ambition to develop their own Linux based mobile OS, but the ban only stops them using Google Services AKA GApps (Play store n stuff)

Looking at history of Xiaomi, they are already well placed compared to Huawei. Xiaomi already have a well developed app store. That's already well integrated with their MiUi (Xiaomi Android OS). They already have well established Mi Account (singing in n such stuff)

Matter of fact, Xiaomi themself can easily turn off & move away from GApps. Which Huawei at the time of their ban didn't have.

Please note, even with the Huawei ban, public aren't banned using Huawei devices, nor they are banned in side loading GApps. Rather, its Google as a company can't supply & support Huawei so officially Huawei can't put GApps in their devices. But there aren't any ban or technical limitations on general public for using a Huawei device or installing a custom rom / GApps on that device.

So it's not a big deal to see Xiaomi having the ban. Indians are techy enough to understand "side loading" & master of Juggad when it comes to cheaper stuff.

Thanks.

[myavu]

There is a difference between Huawei ban and Xiaomi ban.

Huawei is completely banned for selling Telecom Equipment, 4G/5G broadcasting and routing equipment, Manufacturing Chipsets and Modems in US Factories and allies, using Google Android based technologies and GMS services, etc.

For Xiaomi it is just an Investor ban and that will not affect the sales of Mobiles and GMS licenses. All this drama is part of Trump's trade war agenda against China. With Biden things can change drastically. You never know.



My current daily driver is Huawei Mate 20 X 4G AL00 (Chinese version) bought from UK.

I am using all Google services (including Play Store and Google Pay) and it can give any flagship phone of its time for a run for their money sans periscope based optical zoom technology.

The advantage of Chinese version is that I am getting all updates on time and a week back I got updated to EMUI 11 which has Petal Search and MeeTime too.

It is easy to search any app through Petal Search and MeeTime is same as Apple's FaceTime.

My device is also eligible for Harmony OS 2.0 (Huawei's own OS alternate to Google's Android) in the second half of 2021.

I believe the whole ban on Huawei handset sales in US is to protect their home grown Apple products.

Cheers!

[humyum]

No India should not follow suit, Xiaomi as per a Jan 2020 article employs around 50 thousand people in India, where will these people go? Find these people equal jobs in similar companies with similar pay-scale in the same city that their current job is first.

https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-...4-7910881.html

Secondly what happens to the phone's, bands, Tv's and what not people have brought from Xiaomi, their service, repair etc? Will be criminal waste of people's money.

This false nationalism should stop pronto. Banning Tik Tok alone, 2000 people lost jobs in India, what happened to them? In between Corona, GOI destroyed the lives of 2000 families.

On the other hand, "Chinese firm given contract worth Rs 1,126 crore for Delhi-Meerut rail tunnel even as LAC standoff continues" News Article date, 4th Jan 2020

Link--> https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/...doff-continues

[AZT]

A lot of this is just Mike Pompeo pushing his agenda before a new cabinet comes in on Jan 20th, since Trump is too busy still campaigning for god knows what. Other moves include against the Iran backed Houthis in Yemen (Lobbied by Saudis for years) and rolling back all negotiation progress with Cuba and getting it back to square one.

Some who remain in the administration have seized the opportunity to push through significant policy shifts before leaving office, several administration sources said.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, for instance, has pressed ahead with controversial international moves, sometimes, according to two people familiar with the matter, without coordinating fully with the White House.

The timing of one decision caught some National Security Council officials by surprise, the sources said: Pompeo’s scrapping of longtime curbs on U.S. government interactions with Taiwan officials, which angered China. The State Department did not respond to a request for comment.

Other Pompeo actions over the past week have included returning Communist-ruled Cuba to the U.S. list of state sponsors of terrorism, and designating Yemen’s Iran-aligned Houthi movement a terrorist organization.

While mostly disengaged from policy making, Trump on Tuesday, at his aides’ behest, paid a visit to the U.S.-Mexico border wall near Alamo, Texas. Erecting a barrier across the border was a signature promise of his winning 2016 campaign platform. Only portions got built.

Read More: https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN29J2J3

[quattroa4]

All Chinese companies in India should be banned outright with no further time delays .
One should understand that China is the biggest threat to our country in long run and so does the CCP thinks about India in their strategic thinking .
The biggest threat to them is not the USA but India with such a big market and aiming to become a manufacturing hub .
Things should be seen in bigger prospective here rather then how many jobs and middle class and etc. People might suffer in short term ,but the country should rise in all above .

[kamilharis]

I am a great fan of both brands. Have owned (still running) Smartphones, bands, Earpods, Bluetooth speakers, etc from Xiaomi. And smartphones, Fitness bands, Bluetooth headphones, etc from Huawei & Honor. Currently running a 2-year-old Honor Play and things are perfectly fine as of now with regular updates or whatsoever.

I hope these trade bans and ugly fights will be dismissed by the new US Administration because I really love the new mobiles from Huawei, they are a piece of Art compared to Samsungs and Apples, next level!

[Manan9876]

This might get political, but all Chinese investment given their imperialist attitude must be banned in India. Yes there will be job loss, but it's better to ward off the dragon now before being enticed to its cave and having to have a bloody battle there.

[charanreddy]

+ 1 on the ban. Its not nationalism but common sense. One doesn't eat poisonous bread even though one is hungry! The Chinese are known for their use of businesses and commerce as an instrument of state policy. There are gazillion examples of Chinese taking undue advantage, just ask the African countries and our southern neighbor who had to sign an entire port over.

They, their ethics or adherence to basic human rights or for that matter any amount of conscience cannot be assumed or relied upon. Period ! Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Chinese people, but the CCP's intentions and practices are definitely untrustworthy.

[ashish.uno]

It is common knowledge that china uses its supposedly private companies as a state tool. The purpose could be any from as small as data mining, human behavioural prediction using AI (mobiles, apps) to planting malicious software to be triggered at an opportune time (telecom equipments)

We can be myopic and enjoy the predatory pricing until other brands cannot cope up with the losses and just vacate the space OR we can take corrective measures to protect our interest.


I will share my experience with Oneplus 7T here for the benefit of fellow readers.


Anyone remember 'Remove china apps" on google playstore? I had it installed before it was removed from the playstore.

I had forgotten about the app when one day I noticed, it wasn't there on my phone anymore.
Surprising I would say.
Anyway, I downloaded the APK and tried to install the same again on my phone, and guess what?
The phone declined to install the app.

Thats when I realised that the app was removed from my phone without my consent and there is a backdoor which can make the phone do what the controller wants. In this case refusal to install a certain app!

From that day, I gave that phone to wifey and its used only for clicking pictures. No internet banking on that phone!

Fun Task!!

Can other members using chinese mobiles do this as an experiment, i.e try installing the APK and see if that works.

(If the suggestion is inappropriate, pls delete)

[NaXal]

Originally Posted by ashish.uno

I will share my experience with Oneplus 7T here for the benefit of fellow readers.

Thats when I realised that the app was removed from my phone without my consent and there is a backdoor which can make the phone do what the controller wants. In this case refusal to install a certain app!

From that day, I gave that phone to wifey and its used only for clicking pictures. No internet banking on that phone!

Hi,

Just to update you, it may have been Google who deleted that app and you had given them permission to do so when you clicked I agree with Google Play Services.

Refer here - https://support.google.com/googlepla.../2812853?hl=en

Thanks

P.S.

Can other members using chinese mobiles do this as an experiment, i.e try installing the APK and see if that works.

Disabling play protection and any 3rd party anti malware apps from the device will allow any APK to run.