[tbppjpr]

Originally Posted by NaXal

There is no active prompt, message or action from Windows 11 24H2 to inform users about this and pushing users for their encryption key backup.

What if anyone has never activated bitlocker? Will bitlocker activate in this case also? What will be the code or key in this case? I think there is some option in bios as well to disable the bitlocker or something.

Linux being my primary work OS in dual boot configuration along with Windows, it makes me worried how the shared OS disk will behave? Although I don't keep data on local computers so less of worry.

[mukeshgoel]

Originally Posted by NaXal

Desktop PC users with Windows 11 beware.

This applies mainly to Windows 11 users with multiple disk drives in their system. Which is mainly desktop users with small percentage of Laptop users with high end laptops running multiple disks.

Windows 11 24H2 is released and auto updates are presently getting pushed world wide.

One major issue with Windows 11 24H2 is BitLocker Drive Encryption.

Well, actually that feature is not the issue but it coming "turned on" by default is the actual issue. Especially when there are no warning or information given to the end users.

Windows 11 24H2 was not available for me.

After this post, I checked a couple of videos to see what am I getting with 24H2 and saw this one and got to know that BitLocker Drive Encryption is turned on by default ONLY on fresh install (go to 6:35). But if you update your Windows 11, BitLocker Drive Encryption will not be turned on.

So, I force upgraded to 24H2 and I can confirm that my drives were not BitLocker Drive Encrypted by default.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVoBbLfSinI

[Arindam_Nayek]

Looking to get a machine for my little one. Can be used for studies and gaming, needs to be a Windows though as I can use it for some software which doesn't run in Mac.

Processor: AMD 7000 Series Ryzen 7 7700X OR Intel I7-14700
Motherboard: Please Suggest
HDD - 1TB SSD
RAM - 16/32 DDR 5 [Will pick based on my Budget]
GPU - 4060 OR anything equivalent
SMPS - 850 Watt [Does it make sense?]

Budget - Max 1.25L

1. Please could you advise on the configuration.
2. While checking this I came across an ASUS [ASUS ROG Strix G13CHR 2024] machine in Amazon @1.29L. Does this make sense?
3. I would have loved to assemble the same myself but a bit scared by the looks of the new machine. So, any recommendations of a good assembler in Bangalore?

Thank You!!
Note: Great to see there are people still enjoying AOE like I do.

[NaXal]

Hello,

Originally Posted by Arindam_Nayek

2. While checking this I came across an ASUS [ASUS ROG Strix G13CHR 2024] machine in Amazon @1.29L. Does this make sense?

Your 3rd question is the answer of your second question. If you are not assembling it for yourself and don't have a trusted assembler for the PC, then it is better to consider pre-built systems.

But in India, they (pre-built) do cost a bomb over same configuration assembled option. The price gap itself is worth the risk to assemble it yourself.

Here are my personal suggestions,

AMD 7700 @ Rs. 31000/-
Asus Prime B650M-A II-CSM M-ATX @ Rs. 12000/-
32GB DDR5 RAM (16GBx2) @ Rs. 8000/-
XPG GAMMIX S70 Blade -> 512GB NVME M.2 Gen4 @ Rs. 5500/-
1TB Gen3 NVME @ Rs. 5500/-
MSI or ASUS RTX 4070 12GB @ Rs. 58000/- (Amazon Prices)
Ant Esports FG850 @ Rs. 7200/-
Cooler Master K380 @ Rs. 4000/-
Extra Cabinet (PWM 120mm) FANs @ Rs. 3000/-

Total -> Rs. 1.35L

It should come within your strict Rs. 1.25L budget if you drop two nvme and settle for a middle ground like just a single 1TB nvme M.2 (ex WD SN770) and either visit local market for little bargain (especially on GPU) or buy it from Amazon with Credit Card discounts.

Consider dropping the X out of the CPU, like from 7700X to non X, 7700 only. This 7700 CPU includes a good CPU cooler, saves on money needed for an 3rd party cooler. Unless you are desperately in need of Over Clocking the CPU a lot, there is no need for X series CPU.

Thanks.

[Thad E Ginathom]

Originally Posted by Arindam_Nayek

Looking to get a machine for my little one.

I don't keep up with current PC specs and prices, but those who do will need to know a lot more about your little one.

If he/she really is a small child, then it seems to be a lot of money to spend on a PC.

However, regardless of age, what will they use it for? What software will they run; what games, if any, will they play; will they do stuff that needs power and fancy graphics like editing and rendering video? Or even processing raw files for photography?

As an old little one I know that my PC is way over-specced for 90% of my needs. It's ample for the the other 10%, processing raw files for photography. But hey, nobody ever says no to making the 3-second job run in one second.

Also, how long do you expect it to last?

<Cross-posted with NaXal>

Originally Posted by NaXal

It should come within your strict Rs. 1.25L budget if you drop two nvme ...

Keep your operating system and programs on nvme, keep your long-term storage data on hdd. I was late to the SSD party: what a wonderful upgrade it is!

(I keep current photos on nvme as well. It is worth the extra speed reading/writing, whereas, for a spreadsheet, it isn't.)

PS. If you know enough to recognise all the parts, and you understand risks like static (potentially expensive!), not to mention electricity, of course, then you can build a PC. It's not difficult, although it has its scary moments like fitting the cpu in place and dealing with its heatsink. On the other hand, I have a good local company and I am happy to let someone else build, trouble-shoot, etc etc.

[Arindam_Nayek]

Originally Posted by NaXal

Hello,
Here are my personal suggestions,

AMD 7700 @ Rs. 31000/-
Asus Prime B650M-A II-CSM M-ATX @ Rs. 12000/-
32GB DDR5 RAM (16GBx2) @ Rs. 8000/-
XPG GAMMIX S70 Blade -> 512GB NVME M.2 Gen4 @ Rs. 5500/-
1TB Gen3 NVME @ Rs. 5500/-
MSI or ASUS RTX 4070 12GB @ Rs. 58000/- (Amazon Prices)
Ant Esports FG850 @ Rs. 7200/-
Cooler Master K380 @ Rs. 4000/-
Extra Cabinet (PWM 120mm) FANs @ Rs. 3000/-

Total -> Rs. 1.35L

Thanks.

Wow!! Completely blown away with the config. Thanks a ton for the detailed guidance. I will try to move a few pieces here and there and try to gather the price of the system. Will DM you for sure.

[Arindam_Nayek]

Originally Posted by Thad E Ginathom

I don't keep up with current PC specs and prices, but those who do will need to know a lot more about your little one.

If he/she really is a small child, then it seems to be a lot of money to spend on a PC.


PS. If you know enough to recognise all the parts, and you understand risks like static (potentially expensive!), not to mention electricity, of course, then you can build a PC. It's not difficult, although it has its scary moments like fitting the cpu in place and dealing with its heatsink. On the other hand, I have a good local company and I am happy to let someone else build, trouble-shoot, etc etc.

Sir, your posts always enlighten us to think beyond, we get into the usual trap of head vs heart. The PC though bought for my daughter will be cross utilized by me too for some learning and work which I am unable to do with my existing desktop or the mac because of the absence of GPU.

On Assembling yes, I used to assemble my PC's earlier but over a period of 10 years I feel things have moved a lot so a little skeptical. The parts are expensive so you would always have that in the back of your mind. Probably will go down the assemble project along with my daughter.

Thank you for your guidance!

[Thad E Ginathom]

Originally Posted by Arindam_Nayek

Sir, your posts always enlighten us to think beyond

Thank you so much! I was wondering... little one?seven? seventeen?

A recently seen cartoon comes to mind. A man is feeding his baby...

"Today, we are going to introduce you to solid foods. And after that I'm going to need help with some computer stuff.



I think that assembly is the same techie lego as before, but I feel that i've been there and done that, and would rather pay someone else to take the risks! For me, the very hardest part is the specification. Because although I have an AMD Ryzen CPU, and considered my modest graphics card with the needs of darktable in mind, I couldn't even name them off-hand, let alone know any upgrade path. I lost the interest!

[SmartCat]

Originally Posted by Arindam_Nayek

The PC though bought for my daughter will be cross utilized by me too for some learning and work which I am unable to do with my existing desktop or the mac because of the absence of GPU.

On Assembling yes, I used to assemble my PC's earlier but over a period of 10 years I feel things have moved a lot so a little skeptical. The parts are expensive so you would always have that in the back of your mind. Probably will go down the assemble project along with my daughter.

I'd say assembling a PC now is far simpler than before, because of all the Youtube videos. Regarding which is compatible with what questions, you can ask Gemini/ChatGPT. Definitely take the assembled PC route with your daughter and take it step by step over multiple weeks.

However, Microsoft charges Rs. 11,000 for Windows 11 and it feels stupid to pay that kind of money, like we are in the 2000s again. When you buy a box from a brand, you get the OS along with it. But then, you can buy Windows 11 from wholesalers for much cheaper price though:
https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/gadge...fice-keys.html (What's a cheaper, reliable place to buy Microsoft Windows & Office keys?)

Regarding GPU, there is very little gains to be made by paying Rs. 60,000 for one, unless you are a hardcore gamer who wants to crank up the graphics settings to the maximum at 4K resolution, on the latest big budget game. I don't think you should be paying more than Rs. 15,000 to Rs. 20,000 for a CPU either, because all that processing power remains unutilized. Buying reasonably priced CPU/GPU/motherboard might also give you confidence to tinker with the hardware on your own.

Sure, opting for the "bestest" GPU/CPU/motherboard will make the system future-proof, but 6+ years from now, you will have the itch to upgrade anyway.

[Arindam_Nayek]

Originally Posted by SmartCat

I'd say assembling a PC now is far simpler than before, because of all the Youtube videos. Regarding which is compatible with what questions, you can ask Gemini/ChatGPT. Definitely take the assembled PC route with your daughter and take it step by step over multiple weeks.

Sure, opting for the "bestest" GPU/CPU/motherboard will make the system future-proof, but 6+ years from now, you will have the itch to upgrade anyway.

Yes, she is indeed super excited and already making her plans. I did check some videos and have tried to seek help from some of the great souls.

Originally Posted by SmartCat

Sure, opting for the "bestest" GPU/CPU/motherboard will make the system future-proof, but 6+ years from now, you will have the itch to upgrade anyway.

Very True indeed. On the OS license I have used one of the cheap options in the past which worked well. Thanks a lot for your inputs.

[sandeepmohan]

Originally Posted by Arindam_Nayek

Looking to get a machine for my little one

I'm not sure how old your little one is. To provide context, our 13 year old son has a PC that offers half the capability of the spec you listed. That spec alone smashes through GTA, Flight Simulator, Red Dead Redemption on a 1440p display. Granted its not crazy frame rates but more than playable. Heaps of compute power for pretty much anything he throws at it. For now.

Get a Ryzen 7 5800X. If you want even more value get a Ryzen 5 5600X. Older chip. Still a killer chip for what you get out of it. Reduce the ram by half. For motherboard get a Gigabyte B550M DS3H for the Ryzen 5 or an Asus TUF Gaming B650M-E for the Ryzen 7. With the money you save, put in a little more towards a good display.

As for assembling the PC, you need to be careful, considering you have never done it before. Read as much, watch the Tube for instructions. Exercise patience. All it takes if damaging a connector and it becomes a headache. Not that I discourage. Its actually a nice thing to learn for kids. Cabinets tend to have a lot of sharp edges so be careful with that.

Your little one sure is lucky.