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Originally Posted by SPARKled @amitk26: The Nikon AIS 28 was indeed one of the all time great Nikkors and CRC was really one of its key attributes as StarScream has rightly put forward, but this was in the film days. I have read that its not too stellar on a digital body. But I had the opportunity to use one when I was in the USA and as expected it was not too great near abouts wide open, but was brilliant stopped down. People rave about this lens on a film body. A lot of lenses including the very good 24mm is also a digital victim and the 28 and the 24 were very popular and sharp lenses during the good old film days. |
Exactly 100% correct this is what I am trying to say Old MF lenses like SMC takumar , CZJ ,Helios etc provide good resolution and usable on Digital bodies because they were optically better and that's why they cost a fortune.
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Originally Posted by StarScream ]
No offense Amit but you're all over the map aren't you? By dropping lots of names you're sidestepping the inaccuracy of your earlier post.
My rejoinders in bold below: |
No inaccuracy here lenses of same era and similar types were compared.
I would love to respond to all your rejoinders one by one but seeing these rejoinders I now think that you might have entirely missed context of the comment I made.
I originally posted a question seeking opinion on a Kiron 105mm Macro lens which I was getting, I missed it because could not take decision in time as it was not cheap and someone here suggested Nikkor :-) now there was simply no Nikkor Macro in that era ( 1950 to 1975 ) which could be considered a competition for that lens. With this background it should be clear that consideration was vintage manual focus lens which are still useful and optically match / outperform modern digital lenses.
Today lenses have a CPU and motors and elaborate software so today Auto focus lens is entirely different and not comparable with fully mechanical precision manufactured lenses of bygone era. Quote:
Originally Posted by StarScream
Ok, show me one test report that says the 28mm f2.8 Ais MF is a crappy lens, or worse than others of the same vintage. | I never said it is crappy but just see the last comment from SPARKled I meant something similar.
Google is your best friend and I am sure you will find correct links if you search for
manual focus 28mm F2.8 or 28 F1.4 or 24mm comparison tests . Quote:
Originally Posted by StarScream And please tell me why in the day and age of autofocus will Nikon and Canon build up their manual focus range? |
As explained comparison was of vintage Manual focus lenses and even you can compare good MF lenses of that era with AF lenses of today optically. Quote:
Originally Posted by StarScream
The MF Nikkor lens range of today is a throwback to the 70s and 80s. Unless you're talking about the 50s and 60s, in which case I'll agree - my Leica M3 is a lot better than my antique Nikons. |
Well since you missed the context of discussion the comparison was with vintage MF lens which is no longer manufactured and still sought after so it has to be compared with something which Nikon made in those days at similar price point. Of-course Leica is out of consideration because it was never in same price bracket historically and manufactured today as well , Where as Takumars , CZ, CZJ and clones were nearly in same market. On the why part , They are still usable in scenarios where AF is not needed example macros , landscape and street photography where good optical quality is desirable. Also they are good for DSLR video.
For shooting sports / fast action etc old MF lens is not an option at all.
Besides this no one ask this why in vintage car section so why the Q here ? Quote:
Originally Posted by StarScream Point being? Are you saying the Nikon 28mm f1.4 AF was a worse lens than the makes you mentioned (although this is the first time I'm hearing about CZJ, Ashai and ContEx)? If so, again please enlighten me with proof. Going by your logic a lens that sells second hand for close to or more than what it sold for new after its was discontinued must be a phenomenal performer- which the 28/1.4 Nikkor is. |
If you have not heard that does not mean they never existed :-))
Please search on these lenses on net or visit some vintage dealer you will be pleased , Carl Zeiss Jena was East German where as Carl Zeiss was in west Germany , Contex is legendary film camera.
Asahi Optical was the company which originally owned Pentax brand and their Super Takumar branded lenses are still usable on 15MP digital sensor. I have posted few test pics on the official non auto image thread.
I am not simply rich enough to buy all the contex , Schnider and CZJ but that does not mean that they are not good.
Go to some forums like MF lenses forum and check opinion and images if you like. Quote:
Originally Posted by StarScream | Laugh as much as you like but fact is that Nikon and Canon were not in same league in MF era as others they were considered amateur stuff and not serious pro , In a war situation whatever equipment is available cheaply is used and to an extent the Nikons and Canons found respect after press used them. Quote:
Originally Posted by StarScream | May be I messed up between 1.4 and 2.8 in long chain but that does not change the basic point.
Almost all other 28mm and 24mms of that era fetch a lot more then Nikkors , Exceptions are Auto Chinons and similar other in-house brands of large retail chains of US and UK and Mamiya-Sekor mainly because Mamiya-Sekor was a medium format company. Quote:
Originally Posted by StarScream Canon 28mm F1.4 FD was excellent lens optically but today it have vary less value because FD mount lens need optical adapter for EOS which degrades quality.
The first factually correct statement but when were we ever discussing Canon | May be you were not discussing it but I was discussion all Manual Focus lenses in general and nikkor came in that context as explained above.
One of the factor of usability is the lens mount. Since Canon FD is not usable on EOS it fetch lot less then any other lens of similar quality. AFAIK Canon FD 28mmF1.4 L is same optical formula as L lens today but it goes for a song as it is not usable in manual mode on canon body.
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