The Official non-auto Image thread

maven · 2nd July 2009, 19:23

as a viewer i think it doesnt clutter the image at all. it infact tapes it all up..imagine the pic without the bottle on the left and you would see what i mean.

pramodkumar · 3rd July 2009, 09:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by maven

as a viewer i think it doesnt clutter the image at all. it infact tapes it all up..imagine the pic without the bottle on the left and you would see what i mean.

I disagree with that,

@ TG the bottle ads a lot of value to the composition.

deetee · 3rd July 2009, 10:02

An early morning raider:

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NetfreakBombay · 3rd July 2009, 10:20

Cool snap.

have you tried running Noise reduction filters on this? That might make this image "look" sharper.

Torqueguru · 3rd July 2009, 11:00

@DeeTee
Nice one!
What was your ISO setting?

@NetfreakBombay
Well, noise reduction actually softens up images rather than sharpening. Sharpening always results in packing pixels closer to one another and that infact may contribute to noise.

Meet the Kung Fu Pups!

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Regards,
TG.

deetee · 3rd July 2009, 11:16

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Originally Posted by Torqueguru

Meet the Kung Fu Pups!

Wow..soo lively.The fierce look in the face of hariy pup is telling.

I think the my earlier snap was shot at ISO 800, being early in the morning I didn't have enough light and needed a fast shutter speed. Moreover these raiders are fast.Only after many attempts I could catch one red handed.

Edit: I always shoot with NR off.I feel noise adds some mood, just my opinion

Torqueguru · 3rd July 2009, 11:23

I agree with you that noise, when used judiciously adds to the character of the shot...especially shots that convey a lot of emotion. I am not too sure how it adds value to a macro. Anyways I know its tough to capture these critters without really high shutterspeed...so cranking up the ISO is understandable. Even my shot of the puppies fighting was at a 320 ISO setting, again because of the 1/2500 shutterspeed other wise i rarely move it from 200 in bright sunlight. I have the noise reduction switched on most of the time, except while taking certain portrait shots.

deetee · 3rd July 2009, 11:28

[quote=Torqueguru;1369037]Even my shot of the puppies fighting was at a 320 ISO setting, [quote]
ISO320 is cakewalk for d700, no? I think you need not bother about noise even at 3200 with full frame.

Torqueguru · 3rd July 2009, 11:50

True, the D700 is pretty solid at high ISOs. I have never gone over 1200 though. I have seen some samples online at ISO 10,000 and it blew me away.
Here is the link.

NetfreakBombay · 3rd July 2009, 12:21

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Originally Posted by Torqueguru

Well, noise reduction actually softens up images rather than sharpening. Sharpening always results in packing pixels closer to one another and that infact may contribute to noise.

Yes thats technically correct, but usually Noise Reduction in Hi Res + Resizing to 50% will make image "look" sharp. Because of smaller size, loss of detail becomes insignificant.

But like most other things it is just one of the things that can be tried and for some images it will work and not for others.

Torqueguru · 3rd July 2009, 12:29

Yes, quite true. I rarely downsize, maybe when I shoot high ISO( which I am yet to) I should check it out.

clevermax · 3rd July 2009, 12:33

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Originally Posted by Torqueguru

True, the D700 is pretty solid at high ISOs. I have never gone over 1200 though. I have seen some samples online at ISO 10,000 and it blew me away.
Here is the link.

That's right.. Its amazing how D700 can provide such images at higher ISOs. Mine gives a decent output till ISO800 and after that it starts showing problems especially in very low light conditions. One thing I do to get rid of noise as much as I can, is to shoot in RAW and then do a 'manual' noise reduction in the Image Editor PC software that came with the camera - it gives better results that the auto noise reduction for jpegs in the camera.

ISO 10,000 !! Is that the max ISO setting of D700?

BTW, I have seen a so called 'professional' photographer at a function lately. He was shooting with a D90. I just got curious on how the guy operates the camera and was closely follwing him to see what kind of settings he uses for shooting. It was interesting to note that the guy *always* used ISO100 under any light condition, and the only settings he played with are exposure and flash! Finally saw his pictures in a laptop, and 30% of them were out of focus. I think he did not know what does the ISO setting means. I could easily take far better pictures than him!

NetfreakBombay · 3rd July 2009, 12:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Torqueguru

True, the D700 is pretty solid at high ISOs. I have never gone over 1200 though. I have seen some samples online at ISO 10,000 and it blew me away.
Here is the link.

WOW.. I thought its impossible to shoot decent images beyond 1600 ISO. Full frame sensor really brings out the details in low light.

deetee · 3rd July 2009, 12:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Torqueguru

I have never gone over 1200 though. I

TG,didn't you mention that you clicked the bird at ISO2500 in this post:http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/shifti...ml#post1347576

Also,curious to know if you would recommend any standalone noise reduction software for occasional use(like for my shot above).I didn't try the canon's software till now, will try it once as well.

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Originally Posted by clevermax

It was interesting to note that the guy *always* used ISO100 under any light condition, and the only settings he played with are exposure and flash!I could easily take far better pictures than him!

Let me add my imagination to it. Back in the days of film SLR cameras, films with ISO >200 are not usually used by wedding photographers,owing to various reasons. Because they didn't have access to instant feed back of photo just taken on SLRs(vis-a-vis d-SLRs), to reduce bad snaps they mostly relied on adjusting exposure and using flash( I guess they never touched F or shutter speeds). Even with d-SLRs I guess, that habit of old days was carried on and that's why they rarely bother about ISO or full manual settings.
That apart wedding photography is more about composing bride and groom in various poses (keeping in mind the album) and less of camera adjustments, these days.

Torqueguru · 3rd July 2009, 13:07

@DeeTee
1500 is what I meant...my bad, thanks for correcting me.

I recommend Noise Ninja, Its pretty cool.

@clevermax
100- 25,600 is the ISO range of the D700. Usable images upto ISO 6400 though.

2nd July 2009, 19:23	#5851
maven BHPian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Noida Posts: 264 Thanked: 156 Times	RE: bottle as a viewer i think it doesnt clutter the image at all. it infact tapes it all up..imagine the pic without the bottle on the left and you would see what i mean.

3rd July 2009, 11:00	#5855
Torqueguru BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Seattle Posts: 277 Thanked: 165 Times View My Garage	@DeeTee Nice one! What was your ISO setting? @NetfreakBombay Well, noise reduction actually softens up images rather than sharpening. Sharpening always results in packing pixels closer to one another and that infact may contribute to noise. Meet the Kung Fu Pups! Regards, TG. Last edited by Torqueguru : 3rd July 2009 at 11:01.

3rd July 2009, 13:07	#5865
Torqueguru BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Seattle Posts: 277 Thanked: 165 Times View My Garage	@DeeTee 1500 is what I meant...my bad, thanks for correcting me. I recommend Noise Ninja, Its pretty cool. @clevermax 100- 25,600 is the ISO range of the D700. Usable images upto ISO 6400 though. Last edited by Torqueguru : 3rd July 2009 at 13:23.

3rd July 2009, 10:02	#5853
deetee BHPian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Mangalore Posts: 506 Thanked: 1,631 Times View My Garage	An early morning raider:

3rd July 2009, 10:20	#5854
NetfreakBombay Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Bombay Posts: 1,480 Thanked: 1,124 Times	Cool snap. have you tried running Noise reduction filters on this? That might make this image "look" sharper.

3rd July 2009, 11:23	#5857
Torqueguru BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Seattle Posts: 277 Thanked: 165 Times View My Garage	I agree with you that noise, when used judiciously adds to the character of the shot...especially shots that convey a lot of emotion. I am not too sure how it adds value to a macro. Anyways I know its tough to capture these critters without really high shutterspeed...so cranking up the ISO is understandable. Even my shot of the puppies fighting was at a 320 ISO setting, again because of the 1/2500 shutterspeed other wise i rarely move it from 200 in bright sunlight. I have the noise reduction switched on most of the time, except while taking certain portrait shots.

3rd July 2009, 11:28	#5858
deetee BHPian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Mangalore Posts: 506 Thanked: 1,631 Times View My Garage	[quote=Torqueguru;1369037]Even my shot of the puppies fighting was at a 320 ISO setting, [quote] ISO320 is cakewalk for d700, no? I think you need not bother about noise even at 3200 with full frame.

3rd July 2009, 11:50	#5859
Torqueguru BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Seattle Posts: 277 Thanked: 165 Times View My Garage	True, the D700 is pretty solid at high ISOs. I have never gone over 1200 though. I have seen some samples online at ISO 10,000 and it blew me away. Here is the link.

3rd July 2009, 12:29	#5861
Torqueguru BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Seattle Posts: 277 Thanked: 165 Times View My Garage	Yes, quite true. I rarely downsize, maybe when I shoot high ISO( which I am yet to) I should check it out.