[GoBabyGo]

Originally Posted by anb

The team-bhp review itself says that achieving 7.5 km/kWh is not difficult.

"I covered ~170 km and used up 47% of the battery. However, my driving consisted of some aggressive acceleration, fast driving, hard braking and long idling periods. At the end of the drive, I had an indicated 171 km of range left. I am sure that with better driving, one can manage at least 375 km in real-world driving conditions."

Hi, I think the media drive happened in Chennai which currently have best weather for an EV, around 28 degree day temperature and 22 degree night temperature. For people living in places where day temperature in most months range between 35 degree to 42 degree (sometimes go up to 45 degree), it will be very difficult to get 7.5km/kWh range.

Originally Posted by sachinayak

Came across this video in which they did a 100%-0% battery test/range run of the 51.4KWh version and this gave a range of 400+ km on a primary highway run. Sharing the link below

https://www.Youtube.com/watch?v=zUPGI_cRoUs

Hi, agreed on this. I am his subscriber and watch his each & every video. He did similar range test video of Windsor EV where he extract 323.6 km from 100% to 0%. However, users reported range for Windsor EV is between 240km to 250km (100% to 10%) in good weather.

[swami69]

Though the car designed by experienced engineers, is the battery placed this way in an EV ? as a lay man i would expect the battery to be within the perimeter of the frame/body wherein the body will scrap first and not the battery. Here, it seems the other way around where the Battery will take the first hit :(

[DIY410]

Originally Posted by swami69

Though the car designed by experienced engineers, is the battery placed this way in an EV ? as a lay man i would expect the battery to be within the perimeter of the frame/body wherein the body will scrap first and not the battery. Here, it seems the other way around where the Battery will take the first hit :(

It's not the best packaging, ZS EV which is also a IC converted vehicle does a better job. The ground clearance for ZS EV is about 210mm at the lowest point of the battery skid plate measured with a laser distance meter.

[Aditya]

Originally Posted by mally2

A bit confused as the brochure says lithium ion pack and the review says the long range has a NMC pack? does it mean the smaller battery is LFP and the larger is NMC?

NMC stands for Nickel Manganese Cobalt, which is a type of lithium-ion battery. So both are right.

Originally Posted by somersault

Thank you for the wonderful review. One request, Is it possible to provide an image with a person seating on the rear bench. This will show information on how much knee-up a person will be seating. Will it be possible.

Unfortunately, I was alone on this test drive. Couldn't get our inhouse models (Libran / Jaggu / Chetan) to throw into the rear seat.

[07CR]

Originally Posted by sachinayak

Came across this video in which they did a 100%-0% battery test/range run of the 51.4KWh version and this gave a range of 400+ km on a primary highway run. Sharing the link below

https://www.Youtube.com/watch?v=zUPGI_cRoUs

In the video the actual range of the car is 380 km and after that he was driving on 0%, which IMO is not the ideal case scenario. Even then I am surprised that this car is doing about 380-390 Km in real world highway drives, whereas Curvv Ev manages similar numbers with a slightly bigger 55 Kw battery pack. Additionally until the Creta reaches 0% there is no power limited/AC turn off etc. non sense that we see with Tata EVs (Why does this happen with Tata EVs only? Any software limitation?). This is a huge Plus.

Like many mentioned before Hyundai did a good study of the market of the then available cars and benchmarked Creta EV against them. Looks they certainly did a good job. It's just that Mahindra BEVs came out of syllabus for them. But them aside, Creta EV with even 380-400 Km range looks like a good deal for a second car in the house.

Now if they manage the top end at<20L, this might even compel prospective BE6 customers to rethink twice!

[arjab]

Autocar India says they have managed to obtain a 420 kms real world range on the Long Range Creta against a certified range of 473 kms. This means that the delta between the certified range and the real world range is approximately short by 12%
If this is truly the case then it is quite impressive and will give existing players a run for their money. I am sure the NMC battery chemistry with their high energy density, the base BMS and charge balancing circuitry borrowed from Cousin Ioniq, the superior thermal management; also borrowed from Ioniq, has a major part to play in achieving these range figures.
Will be interesting to see the Creta EV's sales in the coming months.

Source:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojMh3tjVCUo

[antz.bin]

Hyundai always held the efficiency advantage over the Chinese ever since the Kona days and they have brought out their ace when they needed it the most. If I remember correctly, the Kona 40 kWh had similar real world range to the ZS EV 50 kWh.

It is an achievement to go over 7km/kW for any of the Chinese EVs but here (as per the Autocar review) this can do 426km on the 51.4 kWh battery. That is an excellent 8.3km/kW. Almost 20% better than what the Chinese manage. It nullifies the 20% battery capacity disadvantage that the Creta has over the BYD Atto 3.

Better efficiency also unlocks faster DC charging speeds. It could be the case that Hyundai was trying to keep the heat in check considering that this is a NMC battery and hence the lower kW charging rate, but this is a problem that that could have resolved but chose not to.

Looking at the specs, it does 0-80% in 58 minutes. 80% of 51.4 kWh is 41.12 kWh of energy. At 8.3km/kWh, that is a range of 341km added in 58 minutes or the charging speed is 353km/hr.

Similar calculation for the competition yields the following values for charging speed per hour referring Autocar Highway ranges and spec sheet DC charging speeds.

XUV 400 -> 221km/hr
Windsor -> 252km/hr
ZS EV -> 261km/hr
Nexon EV 45 -> 290km/hr
Creta EV -> 353km/hr
Curvv EV 55 -> 375km/hr

So as we can see here, the DC charging situation is not as bad as it is being made out to be. But then an Atto 3 can be charged at upwards of 450km/hr and the Mahindra twins with the larger battery are probably in the vicinity of 1000km/hr so there is that.

[originalamit]

Great review. Had a major concern on the location of the battery. For the Creta, from the photos, one can see the battery installed below the chassis. Is it different for Born EV platforms like Mahindra - the battery installed above the chassis?

I stay in Bangalore and its a no brainer that the underside even for an SUV is bound to hit some badly designed hump or broken road. I have the XUV700 and that too has not been spared.

If the design leaves the battery exposed, it will take a direct hit on the roads. Am i understanding this right?

Thanks

[07CR]

Originally Posted by arjab

Autocar India says they have managed to obtain a 420 kms real world range on the Long Range Creta against a certified range of 473 kms. This means that the delta between the certified range and the real world range is approximately short by 12%

Originally Posted by antz.bin

It is an achievement to go over 7km/kW for any of the Chinese EVs but here (as per the Autocar review) this can do 426km on the 51.4 kWh battery. That is an excellent 8.3km/kW. Almost 20% better than what the Chinese manage. It nullifies the 20% battery capacity disadvantage that the Creta has over the BYD Atto 3.

Originally Posted by anb

As per Autocar India , the real world range is 426 km which is very impressive. Much more than MG ZS EV & comparable to 60 kwh BYD Atto 3

Autocar is simply extrapolating the range figures, which is incorrect. If you have seen video reviews by others like (Gaadiwaadi, DDS) the real world range is 380-400 Kms and not the one quoted by Autocar, as when the Battery % drops the range started dropping faster in those two videos. Also Average speed in Autocar's video is too low at 41 Kmph. Usually while cruising I easily get about 60-65-KPH which could lower the range.

Nevertheless if the 55 Kwh Curvv Ev manages a 400~ km real world range (with all the turtle mode non sense), 51.4 Kwh Creta doing almost similar number is impressive considering there is no AC/Speed limitation like in the Tata's.

[DIY410]

Originally Posted by antz.bin

It nullifies the 20% battery capacity disadvantage that the Creta has over the BYD Atto 3.

But Atto 3 is bigger and heavier, its a 5 star Euro-NCAP, while the Creta isn't.

Originally Posted by antz.bin

Similar calculation for the competition yields the following values for charging speed per hour referring Autocar Highway ranges and spec sheet DC charging speeds.

XUV 400 -> 221km/hr
Windsor -> 252km/hr
ZS EV -> 261km/hr
Nexon EV 45 -> 290km/hr
Creta EV -> 353km/hr
Curvv EV 55 -> 375km/hr

So as we can see here, the DC charging situation is not as bad as it is being made out to be.

The autocar test is subjective, they got that range with a low 41km/h average speed.

Unless all the cars are tested in the same day on the same road, the tested range can vary a lot depending on the season, person driving, traffic, speed.

I have no idea how you arrived at 261km/hr charging speed for the ZS EV, which is lower than even Windsor and Nexon. The ZS EV does 10% to 80% charge in 40 minutes in a 150kW dual gun charger and I achieved 8.1 km/kW while mostly cruising at a steady indicated 100 km/h on the ZS EV in current climate condition.

Originally Posted by 07CR

Autocar is simply extrapolating the range figures, which is incorrect. If you have seen video reviews by others like (Gaadiwaadi, DDS) the real world range is 380-400 Kms and not the one quoted by Autocar, as when the Battery % drops the range started dropping faster in those two videos.

This is correct, volt x amp = watt (power). Since the NMC battery cell has a peak fully charged voltage of 4.1V to 4.2V and the low voltage cut off being around 2.8V. In order to maintain the same speed, the MCU will pull more amps from the battery to compensate for the drop in voltage.

Where as the LFP battery as a near flat voltage discharge curve that abruptly falls when the battery is about to die out. In the world of RC car racing without the typical rules some time in 2011. I had used a 5s (5 cell) LFP which had a voltage of 16.2V vs the 4s LIPO which others had, that peaked at 16.8V. After a lap, I had the advantage and I had more power and higher speed thanks to the LFP flat curve. While others on LIPO struggled, they where even triggering the low voltage cut off under hard acceleration.

[antz.bin]

Originally Posted by DIY410

I have no idea how you arrived at 261km/hr charging speed for the ZS EV, which is lower than even Windsor and Nexon. The ZS EV does 10% to 80% charge in 40 minutes in a 150kW dual gun charger and I achieved 8.1 km/kW while mostly cruising at a steady indicated 100 km/h on the ZS EV in current climate condition.

I have referred real world Highway range as mentioned by Autocar for all the cars in the list for consistency sake.

For ZS EV, it is 327 km: https://www.autocarindia.com/car-new...plained-424521

DC charging speed is from the official website says 0-80% in 60 minutes:
https://www.mgmotor.co.in/vehicles/m...c-car-in-india

So 80% of 327 in 60 minutes = 261km/hr

If the ZS EV does DC charge faster than that speed, MG India should be mentioning it on their website.

Edit: If we consider the figures you mentioned, ZS EV does 10-80% in 40 minutes.
That is 70% of 327km in 40 minutes = 343km/hr

I have nothing against any of the cars here, but I want all of them to be evaluated objectively against a common benchmark set by one of the most reputed publications in India.

[aweracker]

Originally Posted by Lazy Learner

Creta top @ 21L will be good value.


Not to forget, mass favorite Windsor EV is coming with 51-53kWh battery pack in Feb'25.

Where did you hear the Windsor is coming with the larger battery pack?

[Lazy Learner]

I would recommend people to annalyze the data before thinking Range by Autocar India is absolute.

Reason : Speed and traffic

They did the test within Chennai city and costal roads which limit the acceleration pattern and the speed you achieve. With them averaging at ~ 41kmph.

We all know EVs are super efficient in traffic and speeds till 60-70 kmph.
Plus not to forget the ambient temperature and hence low electrical load.

Why i say so? My Tiago EV gives me real world range of ~200 - 210 km in summers.
But currently in this weather & me getting stuck in traffic nowadays, just look at numbers i am achieving.



Does this mean vehicle will give me ~ 300km real world range? An ABSOLUTE NO. This is simply because of weather + speed + Traffic i am facing nowadays.
Real world range still remains a humble ~ 200-220 km.

A brilliant work by Hyundai's PR team to find a location where everyone is limited to which roads they can use and how far they can travel. Now majority media houses will report basis the condition they have faced.

Just saw the Gagan Chaudhary's video. He says range will be <400 @ 100% (He used ~25% of battery for 100 km with majority city + mixed highway + no constant high speed + low AC load/ luggage/ occupants load).

So what i am saying? Creta 51.4 kWh real world range will be ~ 360-380km. I will wait for the owners to share their ownership experiences (@May/June)
Consider it against 59kWh of BE 6E & C75 range of Curvv 55 kWh.

That is why i said considering all this, i would like Hyundai to place it in the price range as quoted.

Originally Posted by Lazy Learner

Considering the offerings from Curvv (Creative 45 @ 17.49 L, 430 km range) and Nexon.ev 45 (@ 16.99, 489 km range), both includes V2V (~ 10-15k) & 7.2 kW AC wallbox Fast charger (~ 50-60k) which Creta EV misses even in top trim,
Smart should be priced ~ 16.49L (logic : Curvv 17.49 - 50k - 15 k - flush door handles, range etc.)

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Looks like the Curvv 55 top trim @ 21.99L is more loaded.

Hyundai should price the top trim @ 20.99 (<21L) considering the missing equipment list and not to forget, i need to pay additional price to get the AC fast charger vs Tata giving it with trim as standard.
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[DIY410]

Originally Posted by antz.bin

I have referred real world Highway range as mentioned by Autocar for all the cars in the list for consistency sake.

MG specifically state that it takes 60 minutes in a 50 kW charger. At the time of the launch, chargers faster than 50 kW was rare. They never bothered to update the website.

Zeon Charging graph below.

Also the charge speed drops drastically after 80% and final additional 20% takes a long time. While the Creta EV would have taken 60 minutes to charge from 10 to 80%, the ZS EV would have charged to nearly 100% in about 63 to 65 minutes. The last 5% takes lot if time.

Again, the Creta EV does 10% to 80% in 58 minutes, not 0% to 80%. So you need to redo all the calculations, also consider the speed drop after 80%.

[sushanthys]

Creta Electric is Hyundai's 3rd EV in India. Considering that the other 2 models are popular( although Kona has been discontinued), Creta Electric should sell well.
The driving range as per the review appears to be in the same ball park as the MG ZS EV( My MG ZS EV needs 50% SoC to travel 176 km to my prev home in Trivandrum from Kottayam, with the driving route fulfilling all the criteria).
The 2 major competitors to Creta Electric should be MG ZS EV and BYD Atto 3 Dynamic Version( Tata has its niggles & Mahindra's design language is a bit too funky). BYD has the better battery and range & is an overall solid car. I feel Creta Electric will be priced between MG ZS EV & BYD Atto 3.
Hope Creta Electric makes EVs more popular. The car has great features and solid basics. It will sell well.