[padmrajravi]

Originally Posted by carjack3090

Why didn't they localise the Kona, that was a good car and they gave up on it completely. Hyundai has made some very questionable decision in last 5 years

Because of the brand pull of Creta EV. Kona EV got a second generation in other markets, with very similar internals to our Creta EV. It uses the same NMC battery with higher capacity. Creta has always been the stripped down Kona for the emerging markets. Hyundai tried the original Kona EV for some time, found it did not sell well and switched the EV version also to the same formula of Creta ICE.

[Sentau]

Originally Posted by agambhandari

Kona was practically the size of Nexon EV and the backseat was infact worse. With the Creta, they are able to keep it in a higher segment.

Yes as a gen 1 ICE-EV dual platform, it was compromised when it came to space inside the cabin (Only at the rear. Owners can confirm that it is way better than the nexon for the front row). But since then, they have launched several new versions and the cabin space has improved. The latest generation Kona is slightly bigger than the gen 1 Kona which was sold in India.

Originally Posted by agambhandari

with a lot of parts sharing among ICE and EV variants, which gives them a bigger scale to hit the price and profit targets they need. Kona EV as a standalone model would have very little volumes to be localised.

The last concern is also true for Mahindra and their born EV platform. In fact it is even worse for Mahindra as they have had to spend a massive amount of money on R&D which Hyundai don't have to do. Yet they took a risk and did it, established new supply chains, etc.

The fact is Hyundai is being very conservative and not taking a risk on the Indian market. Going by how the sales numbers for the Creta EV are panning out, it seems this conservative route will not work out for them. Especially when they are not passing on the cost advantages from parts sharing and lower taxation to the customer.

[BlueGod]

I was critical of the dc charging speed since the launch but still it is a good in a way that it is giving 400+ km on real world (as per some users).

But the price is quite high now. Anyone considering this should wait a bit for offers.

[vivek_lo]

But the dealership says the prices will increase from 18 April.

[mally2]

Originally Posted by vivek_lo

But the dealership says the prices will increase from 18 April.

Yeah then good luck to Hyundai

Dealership is mostly bluffing to get their inventory out. Better wait for 2 more months if you really like the Creta EV

[the_alcott]

Long road trip review of Creta ev :

Did a trip from Delhi to Manali and visited nearby cities.


Overall Metrics:
Total Distance: 1338 km
Overall Energy Efficiency: 8.9 km/kWh (includes energy consumed during approximately 2-3 hours of sleeping with AC on).
Total Charging Cost: Rs.1706


Started from Faridabad late at night around 1AM with 100% SOC
1. Reached karnal (164Km) at around 4AM with 79% battery left. Since were feeling sleepy, topped 10% for Rs.85 on AC charger while we took a nap.

2. Slept for a few hours.

3. Reached Mohali (119km) around 8:30 AM and topped up for Rs.410. Don't remember the SOC here. Had breakfast.

4.Reached Sundar Nagar (244) km at around 1:30 PM with 39% battery and recharged to 97% for a total of Rs.734 .

This was done as from here on hills would start and we didn't know yet how the car fares on elevation. Also had lunch here.

5. Reached Manali (129km) with around 65% battery left. Don't quote me here for exact figure as I don't remember , we had juiced up enough to not care. But Manali roads are so developed that our expectation of worst case of 2km for 1% was easily beat.

In total drove 571Km for the day.

The hotels in Manali provided a socket for 3Kw charger and we charged there for 2 days and roamed around the city (120 Km each day).


Coming back
1. Using the 3Kw charger charged to 78% and started the journey back.
2. Reached Samalki (318 Km) with 11% battery. Topped up to 70% for Rs.477. Had lunch.
3. Reached home (218 Km) with 15% remaining.

Coming back we were more comfortable with the car and its range and hence the reason for minimal charging stops.


Attaching some pictures

Charging station with fellow EV's


Stats after day 2 in Manali


Beautiful views from manali




Total Journey

[axm0316]

Originally Posted by the_alcott

Long road trip review of Creta ev : ]

Seems you were driving only on normal mode too!! Happy too see Creta giving excellent efficiency to everyone and not an anomaly. The thread of BE6 is full of few people bad mouthing how bad creta is, But the car has never given me or any real users any problems. There is no software niggles, and car is like "keep calm and mile more". The ground clearance with battery is tall enough and never have i heard it impact the road (there is highway work going on in Kerala and roads are now in bad condition).

[shankar.balan]

Originally Posted by the_alcott

Long road trip review of Creta ev : Did a trip from Delhi to Manali and visited nearby cities.
Overall Metrics:
Total Distance: 1338 km
Overall Energy Efficiency: 8.9 km/kWh (includes energy consumed during approximately 2-3 hours of sleeping with AC on).
Total Charging Cost: Rs.1706

Originally Posted by axm0316

Seems you were driving only on normal mode too!! Happy too see Creta giving excellent efficiency to everyone and not an anomaly. The thread of BE6 is full of few people bad mouthing how bad creta is, But the car has never given me or any real users any problems. There is no software niggles, and car is like "keep calm and mile more". The ground clearance with battery is tall enough and never have i heard it impact the road (there is highway work going on in Kerala and roads are now in bad condition).

The Hyundai folks put in a lot of rigour in their testing and analysis before launching products.

They don’t make the consumers perform the role of guinea pigs.

A lot of people criticise the Hyundai Creta EV but these perspectives from real life users like you are what makes all the difference.

The modern world tends to get swayed by ‘the noise of opinion’ and the ‘sorcery of gimmickry’ rather than the merit of the product and the ‘voice of real experience’.

I bought my Kona last year because I loved its proportions and functionality and lack of multiple screens. Its a bit old school in that sense. The fact that it is a full-blooded, well made, international product which is well reviewed and well spoken of, also influenced my decision. Yes it is like a 1.5 times scale Hyundai I20 Elite, but I personally like its design and looks a lot. Not to forget, I got it at a fantastic price.

Although the Kona was launched more than 6 years ago, it is still a highly accomplished and mature product.

In the same way, the Creta EV is the herald of the mass market ‘EVeryman’s EV’ - well tested with rigour, mature design and product, excellent ground clearance, made of good quality, well appointed inside, fairly priced, light on gizmos and gimmickry, functional and reliable, good battery tech and BMS, decent range and hence, an excellent family wagon.

Clearly this is an accomplished vehicle which one buys with one’s head and a little bit of heart too. The choice driven by ‘common sense’ rather than ‘flash’.

To echo these words from multiple other threads, ‘Whats not to like?’

[Chrome6Boy]

Originally Posted by the_alcott

Long road trip review of Creta ev :

Did a trip from Delhi to Manali and visited nearby cities.


Overall Metrics:
Total Distance: 1338 km
Overall Energy Efficiency: 8.9 km/kWh (includes energy consumed during approximately 2-3 hours of sleeping with AC on).
Total Charging Cost: Rs.1706

Excellent efficiency, even while driving in the mountains. For comparison, we did a 1300 km road trip in South India and I only achieved about 6.5 km/kWh in our ZS EV. I admit I don't drive very slowly, but everyone seems to be reporting very good mileage with the Creta EV. Hyundai appears to have a winner on its hands.

[WhiteKnight]

Originally Posted by shankar.balan

The Hyundai folks put in a lot of rigour in their testing and analysis before launching products.

They don’t make the consumers perform the role of guinea pigs.

Very reassuring. Thank you. You seem to have depth of information on how Hyundai is doing the engineering and testing. Would you please share more specifics? Especially on the thought process and advantage of mounting the battery below the floor, that too lower than the monocoque ?

[aweracker]

This is my exact sentiment right now.

I see so many complaints on Be 6 and XEV forum but really less noise here.

My only qualm with Creta Electric is that the car should have upgraded its interiors a little more like a soft-touch dash and all.

But then KIA is launching the Carens EV by June of this year, which is basically a Creta KIA. And it's probably going to have the same interior as the Syros, so I'll wait and try that car out. It might be the product to get.

The other thing that makes me a bit sad is that I do not have an RWD, but again, I have never experienced RWD cars. I drive an i20 N line, so even 170hp at 7.8 seconds from zero to 100 is good for me.

[shankar.balan]

Originally Posted by WhiteKnight

Very reassuring. Thank you. You seem to have depth of information on how Hyundai is doing the engineering and testing. Would you please share more specifics? Especially on the thought process and advantage of mounting the battery below the floor, that too lower than the monocoque ?

I am not a technical expert and hence, I would not want to make any guesses. It would not be correct to do that.

But I have visited the Hyundai factory in SriPerumbudur in 1997-1998 when they were just about setting it up, and I've met several of their executives as they were my customers when I worked in the hotel industry. And many of them were my neighbours in Valmiki Nagar - I used to meet them when walking my dog.

Later, I even got to play a round of golf with one or two of their executives. Saying that, the Koreans and Japanese and now Chinese - all of them have significant rigour in their processes.

I know for a fact how much they tested everything they did in real-life conditions before they launched. This goes for the original Santro ( I had one long ago) and the Accent, too. As the present owner of a Kona, I am easily able to see how much more mature a product it is than the Mahindra and Tata EVs. I base my statements on these experiences and the fact that I have tested the Creta EV quite extensively and thoroughly.

In case you’re in any more doubt, I have no bias towards Hyundai or bias against Mahindra and Tata. I'm just speaking from the standpoint of where I will spend my hard-earned money as an average Joe consumer.

One thing I will definitely say is that our Indian manufacturers seem to always be in a hurry to launch and keep up the hype and momentum. But this tends to reduce the rigour they put into testing. This is glaringly evident from the multiple threads and comments which speak quite vociferously about how the customers are made into guinea pigs.

BTW, FYI, in 1999-2000, I even had Ford India as one of my customers and have visited their plant too, many times. Got to sit in a Fiesta and a prototype Ikon when it was being test-driven on their track. And a friend was a senior engineer at Ford. He borrowed my Gypsy for a day in 2000 while giving me his Ikon 1.6 Executive test car to play with. The Ikon had not yet been launched for the public at the time. And what a wonderful, racy engine that Rocam 1.6 was!

Seeking to illustrate via the above anecdotes that I'm speaking generally from observation and experience and NOT merely proferring an ‘opinion’.

[shobhit.shri]

Originally Posted by shankar.balan

One thing I will definitely say is that our Indian manufacturers seem to always be in a hurry to launch and keep up the hype and momentum.

But this tends to reduce the rigour they put into testing.

A market disruptor is compelled to start with a Minimum Viable Product (MVP) and iterate quickly over it. Mahindra followed this approach with the XUV700, and see how well it worked out for them and their customers! Their early adopters embrace the vehicles because they sought the latest and most innovative products at a great price, despite the inherent risks of an unfinished or evolving product.

There is nothing inherently wrong, the issue arises when manufacturers pretend otherwise, and consumers fail to understand the risks associated with being early adopters.

In my humble view, Mahindra and Tata are akin to Ola and Ather, while Hyundai and others resemble Bajaj and TVS. The Creta EV is like the Chetak—a careful iteration of a non-ambitious idea—while the BE6 is comparable to the Ola S1 or Ather X, brimming with bravado. I own a Hyundai Creta EV myself, so please don't come after me for this imperfect analogy. After all, all analogies are inherently imperfect.

[fordday]

Originally Posted by aweracker

The other thing that makes me a bit sad is that I do not have an RWD, but again, I have never experienced RWD cars. I drive an i20 N line, so even 170hp at 7.8 seconds from zero to 100 is good for me.

170 bhp? Is that true? I never checked but the figure seems quite inviting.

[aweracker]

Originally Posted by fordday

170 bhp? Is that true? I never checked but the figure seems quite inviting.

Yeah.

From what I also figured out is that due to higher cell capacity, NMC gives better range.

For example a 50kwh NMC battery can give you 450 but the LFP might give you 400-410.

That's why we are seeing Creta regularly posting 8.5km/kw whereas Mahindra twins at 7km/kw.