[mgoel]

BE6 is a driver centric car and XEV 9E is more of family oriented. BE6 is also more radical sporty muscular design whereas 9E is coupe SUV form. Both have same battery and power numbers and both are similar in power delivery. Only difference is suspension tuning to keep BE6 more sporty and steering that has more feedback.
So, if someone is looking for family oriented car choose XEV 9E
if someone is looking at primarily self drive, at times dual occupancy, choose BE 6

[thomahawk]

Checked out the BE6 in person - looked awesome. Can't still believe Mahindra launched this car - this looks and feels like a concept model. Has the road presence (looks huge) and is a crowd puller. This isn't going to be practical but should be lot of fun. The rear seat experience is a joke and people checking out the car (with an intention to own it) seems to be OK with the sacrifice. There was a long wait for test drive - so didn't try to get one. Heard Mahindra is upgrading the space and training the staff - much needed. The car looked out of place and the staff didn't even care - can't blame them, the showroom was packed with people who just wanted to check out the 'sports car'.

[darkgamer]

Originally Posted by mgoel

BE6 is a driver centric car and XEV 9E is more of family oriented. BE6 is also more radical sporty muscular design whereas 9E is coupe SUV form. Both have same battery and power numbers and both are similar in power delivery. Only difference is suspension tuning to keep BE6 more sporty and steering that has more feedback.
So, if someone is looking for family oriented car choose XEV 9E
if someone is looking at primarily self drive, at times dual occupancy, choose BE 6

Exactly, I have no idea why people who have family usage are looking at BE6 and saying it's unusable. You're not the target market and you're the exact person who Mahindra has made the XEV 9E for.

This car isn't practical because the floor is high and the roofline is low to make it more aerodynamic and sporty. The boot space is not very big because it's an RWD with motor and spare wheel below the boot.

Who the BE6 is for: Bachelors, couples, couples with small kids. The rear seat is fairly comfortable for kids or people around 5 feet or less.

If you have regular use for 4 adults and travel with a lot of luggage, this car is not for you. It was never meant for you.

These guys will even comment poor boot space and rear seat legroom on a Porsche 911 thread

[250Nm]

Originally Posted by a023624a

Friends, has someone witnessed satin desert myst ? Do you have pics of satin ? TIA

Satin looks like matte finish and the regular version is glossy (which I liked better). Here are some photos from my visit to M&M dealership:

Desert Myst Satin Finish






Desert Myst (Glossy)

[shankar.balan]

Originally Posted by mgoel

BE6 is a driver centric car and XEV 9E is more of family oriented.
So, if someone is looking for family oriented car choose XEV 9E
if someone is looking at primarily self drive, at times dual occupancy, choose BE 6

Originally Posted by thomahawk

Checked out the BE6 in person - looked awesome. This isn't going to be practical but should be lot of fun. The rear seat experience is a joke and people checking out the car (with an intention to own it) seems to be OK with the sacrifice.

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Originally Posted by darkgamer

Exactly, I have no idea why people who have family usage are looking at BE6 and saying it's unusable. You're not the target market and you're the exact person who Mahindra has made the XEV 9E for.


Who the BE6 is for: Bachelors, couples, couples with small kids. The rear seat is fairly comfortable for kids or people around 5 feet or less.

It was never meant for you.

These guys will even comment poor boot space and rear seat legroom on a Porsche 911 thread

@mgoel, @thomahawk and @darkgamer yes you all are absolutely right in your comments about the target market.

However, the lack of under thigh support and adequate headroom, seems to remove persons such as I from their target market set, despite my fulfilling the various other criteria you have seen fit to list, except for the significant disqualifying fact, that I am 6 ft 2 inches tall.

That’s why I said earlier that M&M needs to learn a thing or two by way of Space Management and Interior Space Design.

BTW Im not talking through my hat- because as a driving enthusiast, I do have a Mini Cooper S and a little Jimny and I fit perfectly comfortably inside these along with my spouse or my Dad and our luggage and I ve driven these cars long distance for local holidays.

Ive also driven a number of low slung sports cars abroad and I have had no issue fitting inside those (excepting for the Mazda MX5).

I wish M&M would consider serving taller persons too, because Indians in general have grown in size in these last 25 years…

[darkgamer]

Originally Posted by shankar.balan

@mgoel, @thomahawk and @darkgamer yes you all are absolutely right in your comments about the target market.

However, the lack of under thigh support and adequate headroom, seems to remove persons such as I from their target market set, despite my fulfilling the various other criteria you have seen fit to list, except for the significant disqualifying fact, that I am 6 ft 2 inches tall.

I’m 5’10” and I had ample amount of legroom and headroom on the front seats, with room to spare in both directions.

Tushar from zigwheels is 6’5”(and pretty big) IIRC and he described BE6 for his size as something he can live with for the front seats, and much better than the Curvv for example.

The rear seats I agree aren’t the best but I don’t see an issue with the front seats. I don’t think someone who is 6’2” should have a problem with the front seats.

That’s why I said earlier that M&M needs to learn a thing or two by way of Space Management and Interior Space Design.

I don’t really think they’ve wasted much space tbh. The car is just very small vertically. It has a 200+mm ground clearance and it’s just around 1600mm tall. So the space is as you’d expect for a car this size.

The car would look very very big if it was 1700-1800mm tall and non coupe , but those would impact aero and driving dynamics.

[shankar.balan]

Originally Posted by darkgamer

I’m 5’10” and I had ample amount of legroom and headroom on the front seats, with room to spare in both directions.
Tushar from zigwheels is 6’5”(and pretty big) IIRC and he described BE6 for his size as something he can live with for the front seats, and much better than the Curvv for example.
I don’t think someone who is 6’2” should have a problem with the front seats.I don’t really think they’ve wasted much space tbh. The car is just very small vertically.

Oh thats a real relief to hear! I will go and see and judge for myself once the crowds ebb away. I wonder about the under thigh support because that is one area where many of the Asian vehicles and Indian one’s don’t place much focus.
I will also watch Tushar’s video. Yes he is a very big built bloke. I would be dwarfed in comparison to him thats for sure!

[darkgamer]

Originally Posted by shankar.balan

Oh thats a real relief to hear! I will go and see and judge for myself once the crowds ebb away. I wonder about the under thigh support because that is one area where many of the Asian vehicles and Indian one’s don’t place much focus.
I will also watch Tushar’s video. Yes he is a very big built bloke. I would be dwarfed in comparison to him thats for sure!

Here’s the video:

https://youtu.be/o7mGS3klA5g?si=c5bM-8eJTK1KfF_M

The relevant section is 12:04 to 16:01

I also agree with what they’re saying, the difference between this car’s practicality vs your cretas and seltos of the world isn’t that big. My dad gets a Creta for work and the difference between BE6 and Creta is very minimal. The BE is worse in some aspects and better in some, with very minor differences.

Now I’m sure full sized cars like Harrier and Tucson are way better five seaters, but that’s why the 4.3m segment is called compact SUV segment. These cars are compact.

I honestly think the criticism is unjustified. Can you get more comfortable cars for the same price? Absolutely, even Mahindra offers the XUV700 for cheaper. But is this car worse than sub-4m cars which majority of the country is okay in? Absolutely not.

[antz.bin]

The gc of the BE6 is 207mm

At the pack it is 222mm (quoting from one of the posts in the Creta Electric thread)

The thickness of a BYD Blade battery pack is anywhere between 105mm for sedans and 120mm for SUVs. Let's consider the 120mm for SUVs for BE6.
222+120= 342
At least 342mm is the amount of distance from the from the floorpan to the ground.

Reducing this from the total height:
1627-342 = 1285mm

This is the space remaining for the human, the floorpan, carpets, the roof/sunroof and the interior trims.

This number for something like a Hyundai Verna is
1475-165 = 1310mm

For a 2020 Honda Civic, it is
1433-170 = 1263mm

The vertical space remaining in a BE6 with a sunroof for the human is roughly the same as a Honda Civic without sunroof. The Civic was probably the lowest slung mass market sedan sold in India.

Looking at this, we can deduce that the BE6 is a low slung sedan disguised as an SUV. People should try the sedan driving position on it (stretched out) instead of the SUV one (commanding and upright) and everyone will probably be able to find space in it.

Not tried it out yet, so I wouldn't know but this is what I can see in the numbers.

[darkgamer]

Originally Posted by antz.bin

The gc of the BE6 is 207mm

At the pack it is 222mm (quoting from one of the posts in the Creta Electric thread)

The thickness of a BYD Blade battery pack is anywhere between 105mm for sedans and 120mm for SUVs. Let's consider the 120mm for SUVs for BE6.
222+120= 342
At least 342mm is the amount of distance from the from the floorpan to the ground.

Reducing this from the total height:
1627-342 = 1285mm

This is the space remaining for the human, the floorpan, carpets, the roof/sunroof and the interior trims.

This number for something like a Hyundai Verna is
1475-165 = 1310mm

For a 2020 Honda Civic, it is
1433-170 = 1263mm

The vertical space remaining in a BE6 with a sunroof for the human is roughly the same as a Honda Civic without sunroof. The Civic was probably the lowest slung mass market sedan sold in India.

Looking at this, we can deduce that the BE6 is a low slung sedan disguised as an SUV. People should try the sedan driving position on it (stretched out) instead of the SUV one (commanding and upright) and everyone will probably be able to find space in it.

Not tried it out yet, so I wouldn't know but this is what I can see in the numbers.

I believe you’ve hit the bulls eye. I’m someone very used to never seeing the car bonnet and prefer lowered driving position, as my daily driver is a hatchback (i10 nios). Mahindra thinks the same as well, which is why the BE6 bonnet curves downwards like a sedan or hatchback while XEV 9E is straight like an SUV.

For me the BE6 is a hatchback and not an SUV. I always thought of it as a hot hatch(with slightly more ground clearance) but I believe others have a different opinion.

Will take another test drive tomorrow for at least half an hour and I’ve talked to the Mahindra rep to test the boot as well. I’ll take one full size checkin bag (roughly 100L, usually fits 25kg luggage), one slightly smaller checkin bag (roughly 80L, usually fits in 20kg luggage) and one carry on luggage (the one you take in cabin, roughly fits in 10kg). My assumption is that the boot should easily accommodate all 3 with parcel tray removed and still maintaining rear visibility. Let’s see how practical it is.

If the boot is practical and test drive goes well I’ll book the pack 3 (79kwh) this week. KA road tax be damned, I want the big battery and power.

[a023624a]

Originally Posted by 250Nm

Satin looks like matte finish and the regular version is glossy (which I liked better).

Thanks so much. I guess satin goes well with darker shades.
I too now like glossy better.

[agambhandari]

Originally Posted by darkgamer

I honestly think the criticism is unjustified. Can you get more comfortable cars for the same price? Absolutely, even Mahindra offers the XUV700 for cheaper. But is this car worse than sub-4m cars which majority of the country is okay in? Absolutely not.

Actually the rear seats are in fact worse than sub 4m cars and crossovers. I tried Kylaq and BE 6 back to back, while BE 6 had good legroom but it was uncomfortable due to the very high floor height. I was knees up like a 3rd row of most 7 seaters. Legroom is a little less in sub 4m cars but the seating position is better and more natural.

[darkgamer]

Originally Posted by agambhandari

Actually the rear seats are in fact worse than sub 4m cars and crossovers. I tried Kylaq and BE 6 back to back, while BE 6 had good legroom but it was uncomfortable due to the very high floor height. I was knees up like a 3rd row of most 7 seaters. Legroom is a little less in sub 4m cars but the seating position is better and more natural.

I’ll have to disagree with you there. Haven’t driven the Kylaq but have sat in the backseat of Ecosport, Venue and Nexon for a lot of time and the BE6 felt better than all of them. My dad owns the Ecosport, wife used to own a Venue and a friend owns a Nexon. Ecosport and Venue backseats are absolute torture for my knees. Nexon is a bit better but still not by much.

In the sub 4m cars my knee often brushes against the front row which is horrid. On the BE6 you’re seated in knees up position, but you can stretch your leg to the front because there’s a lot of legroom. This solves the knees up position as your knee gets lower and you’re also seated in a more relaxed and reclined position.

That’s my personal preference though. If you like a more bench like seating position the back seat is definitely not for you. But it’s not as bad as Curvv EV. I was seated in knees up in Curvv EV even after stretching my legs fully. Not the case with BE6. My legs were fully relaxed after full stretch and were touching the seat.

[agambhandari]

Originally Posted by darkgamer

I’ll have to disagree with you there. Haven’t driven the Kylaq but have sat in the backseat of Ecosport, Venue and Nexon for a lot of time and the BE6 felt better than all of them. My dad owns the Ecosport, wife used to own a Venue and a friend owns a Nexon. Ecosport and Venue backseats are absolute torture for my knees. Nexon is a bit better but still not by much.

In the sub 4m cars my knee often brushes against the front row which is horrid. On the BE6 you’re seated in knees up position, but you can stretch your leg to the front because there’s a lot of legroom. This solves the knees up position as your knee gets lower and you’re also seated in a more relaxed and reclined position.

That’s my personal preference though. If you like a more bench like seating position the back seat is definitely not for you. But it’s not as bad as Curvv EV. I was seated in knees up in Curvv EV even after stretching my legs fully. Not the case with BE6. My legs were fully relaxed after full stretch and were touching the seat.

Legroom isn't enough for me to stretch my legs behind my own seating position. I'm 5' 11" and this car is comfortable only to sit in front. Curvv and BE 6 both have equally horrible backseats

[darkgamer]

Originally Posted by agambhandari

Legroom isn't enough for me to stretch my legs behind my own seating position. I'm 5' 11" and this car is comfortable only to sit in front. Curvv and BE 6 both have equally horrible backseats

Interesting, that has definitely not been my experience. Maybe I had rose tinted glasses on when I tried it but my wife also felt the same. Curvv EV was almost unusable for us while the BE felt like I can do 3-4 hour trips at the back seat (I’m 5’10”).

I’m checking it out again tomorrow and will scrutinize it a bit more. But again, the back seat for us will be used maybe once in 6 months. So it’s not a concern.