[ashishk29]

Originally Posted by darkgamer

Tesla had autopilot way before FSD which is still way better than ADAS L2+ basic features.

Just to clarify about Tesla AutoPilot:

Traffic-Aware Cruise Control: Matches the speed of your vehicle to that of the surrounding traffic

Autosteer: Assists in steering within a clearly marked lane, and uses traffic-aware cruise control

Source: https://www.tesla.com/support/autopilot

So by the very definition of ADAS, AutoPilot is in fact literally ADAS L2+.

Besides, Traffic-aware CC, and Auto-steer are both things that the BE6 already does.

Manual: https://www.mahindraelectricsuv.com/...anual_BE6.html

Please check Section 8.3.1 "Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC)"

The different Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) modes are as below:
• Speed Control Mode - If no target vehicle is detected, the ACC maintains the speed set by the driver.
• Follow Mode - When a target vehicle is identified, ACC switches to follow mode and follows the target vehicle.
• Stop Mode - If the target vehicle stops, ACC switches from follow to stop mode, and the host vehicle also stops. If the target vehicle starts within configured time the host vehicle also starts following the target vehicle.
• Stop-Hold Mode - After the configured time in Stop mode, ACC switches to stop-hold mode. The driver needs to issue a command (Resume button or accelerator pedal input) to switch back to Follow mode.
ACC Switches

That is basically traffic-aware cruise control, minus the fancy branding.

Further on, section 8.5.5. titled "Highway Assist System (HWA)"

This provides assisted lane change, and system recommended lane change.

That is autosteer, minus the fancy branding.

These features are already live, and function as described.

Now more about Tesla AutoPilot.

The first model S came out in 2012.
Tesla offered the option to pre-purchase AutoPilot hardware in Sept 2014. A whole 2 years later.
Tesla rolled out the software in Oct 2015. A whole year after people had to "pre-purchase" the hardware, and 3 years after the Model S rolled out.

Now coming to your alleged whataboutism.

Originally Posted by darkgamer

Me: CarPlay doesn’t work

You: but ADAS does (whataboutism)

Me: ok, but I don’t want ADAS, I want CarPlay

What you actually said was:

Originally Posted by darkgamer

My initial theory was right. Mahindra just can’t do software. They should have stuck with simpler cars without ADAS or any fancy features. They can’t even make simple stuff like CarPlay work.

ADAS is optional for me, carplay is not. I need my Google maps, don't care about half baked assistance features.

The original claim was that [they] "can't do software".
I merely replied that ADAS2+ is a huge piece of software, which is fully functional.
So it's technically and factually inaccurate to say "they can't do software".

It isn't a "whataboutism" if the origin of the alleged "whatabout" is fully in context of the original comment.

Followed by:

Originally Posted by darkgamer

Me; because I like hardware (I meant motor and battery)

You: but hardware = Adas. Not motor and battery

The ADAS2+ implementation comes with a bunch of hardware too.
You didn't exactly mention what hardware you were referring to.

[darkgamer]

Originally Posted by ashishk29

Just to clarify about Tesla AutoPilot:

….

You didn't exactly mention what hardware you were referring to.

Tesla autopilot does a lot more, if you’ve used it. It even reads traffic lights in real time and tells you when they turn green for example. I’ll just say Mahindra isn’t there yet. And I’ve used both Tesla autopilot and Mahindra system.

Let’s just agree to disagree here mate. Enjoy your car. Neither I nor you will have any productive conversation arguing like this. We’ll just waste time for days and it won’t resolve.

I’m just interested in cars getting registered and into users hands. I hope Mahindra can fix it soon.

As for my car, I’m not yet sure whether to cancel the booking yet. The car even with broken software is still the best in India unless I spend 50+ lakhs. None other offers this battery unfortunately.

So I’m frustratingly stuck to wait for months and months.

[Col Mehta]

With no disrespect to any owners, I have a bad headache reading this thread with so many issues on a car that costs ~30 big ones!!

Mahindra really needs to up their game and stop selling these half baked products. No one deserves to deal with these many niggles on a brand new car, and not everyone has appetite for it.

[ashishk29]

Originally Posted by darkgamer

Tesla autopilot does a lot more, if you’ve used it. It even reads traffic lights in real time and tells you when they turn green for example. I’ll just say Mahindra isn’t there yet. And I’ve used both Tesla autopilot and Mahindra system.

These BEVs do have traffic sign and stop light recognition as well. It's just a matter of time.
Also, yet again, Tesla had none of this at launch. It came in 3 years after.
Tesla AP literally does only these 2 things. I did tag my source, I believe. Which was Tesla documentation.
Unless you know more than Tesla themselves, for some reason.

Originally Posted by darkgamer

I’m just interested in cars getting registered and into users hands. I hope Mahindra can fix it soon.

Which users already are. Including myself, peoples here on this thread, and more in our owners club.
And again, it also depends on the dealership. From what I hear India Garage is the worse dealership over there.

Originally Posted by darkgamer

As for my car, I’m not yet sure whether to cancel the booking yet. The car even with broken software is still the best in India unless I spend 50+ lakhs. None other offers this battery unfortunately.

Again with the "broken software" thing... Temporary lack of Apple CarPlay does not equate to broken software mate.

Originally Posted by Col Mehta

With no disrespect to any owners, I have a bad headache reading this thread with so many issues on a car that costs ~30 big ones!!

Mahindra really needs to up their game and stop selling these half baked products. No one deserves to deal with these many niggles on a brand new car, and not everyone has appetite for it.

With all due respect sir, there are no issues with the vast majority of the delivered cars.
With the exception of Apple CarPlay, everything in the car works as advertised.
Auto park, park-in/out, all the adaptive cruise control features, everything.

There will be some teething issues here and there on every completely new platform. Re: VW EPS failures on first gen 1.5L Taigun/Kushaqs, in the most recent memory. No car or OEM is immune to this.

[darkgamer]

Originally Posted by ashishk29

These BEVs do have traffic sign and stop light recognition as well. It's just a matter of time.
Also, yet again, Tesla had none of this at launch. It came in 3 years after.
Tesla AP literally does only these 2 things. I did tag my source, I believe. Which was Tesla documentation.
Unless you know more than Tesla themselves, for some reason.

Mahindra isn’t Tesla. These features aren’t coming via updates in these cars, not in 3 years, not in 10 years, not in 20. Mahindra won’t add a single feature to ADAS via updates. ADAS and most firmware software is written via vendors who supply hardware, not Mahindra themselves.

Tech mahindra pays to their director what Tesla pays to a 1-2 year experienced software engineer. The talent isn’t even remotely comparable.

But I’m not going to argue further on this, you can believe what you want. Compare to Tesla 12-13 years ago, ignoring that even Mahindra has ADAS in their cars for over 4 years now starting from XUV700.

Originally Posted by ashishk29

From what I hear India Garage is the worse dealership over there.

I’ve checked with PPS as well. Even they’re stuck with inventory from first batch.

With all due respect sir, there are no issues with the vast majority of the delivered cars.

Vast majority of cars aren’t even delivered sir, they’re rotting because updates can’t be done. I’ve called and checked multiple dealerships.

With the exception of Apple CarPlay, everything in the car works as advertised.
Auto park, park-in/out, all the adaptive cruise control features, everything.

We have users on this thread whose even audio system isn’t working as well as demo cars. But I’m sure they can console themselves with auto park, because that’s the most important feature.

Again as I said, I don’t want to argue. Happy driving with your car. I have nothing further to say.

[Devdivin]

Originally Posted by shishir_bn

That is a good range you got for a full charge. One query please. This 495kms was in which mode or was it a combination of eco and sports mode? What was the avg speed you drove to get this range in each modes? and was it full city driving like B2B traffic or sparse traffic and any highways also please.

80 percent of my driving was in default mode and 10 percent was in race mode just to demo the car to friends and family. Race mode is scary fast and an absolute thrill to drive but mostly not practical for indian road conditions.

Also on another note.
I had informed my SA about some minor glitches in the software that I was experiencing mostly related to non essential features( nothing that would make life difficult)

1. Central console ambient lights not working(FIXED)
2. Keyfob forward and back and auto park via keyfob and mobile app not working. (FIXED ON KEY, APP WILL BE FIXED IN BACKEND TOMO)
3. Mirror dip on reverse not functional(FIXED)
4. App secure 360 no video stream(black screen)(FIXED)
5. Eyedentity system needs to be check. Not clear if its working.(FIXED)
6. Lock and unlock on arrival and departure not working?(FIXED)

I was immediately added to a group with all the technicians, customer support teams and Sireesh Mahindra officials.
I was informed that they would visit my location, but I offered to visit the service center instead. All my issues have been sorted out with necessary software flashing and
I am truly impressed by the quality of their service. The entire team was present throughout, checked every thing and made sure they even called the necessary team from the software developer departments of Mahindra for resolutions.

I am a happy and proud mahindra customer now.

On my way back home I started noticing that the steering controls for menu and adas bugged out( not responding as before). It sometimes registers the click and sometimes doesn't. I immediately called them up and they have responded. I was anyway going to drop off the car for PPF work at 2 pm today, and they have told me they will visit the detailers studio and rectify the matter. What matters is that even if they don't know the answer to something, they do take the effort to connect with the necessary people and get the matter resolved immediately. These minor glitches will be there on any new product as complicated as this regarding software and I don't mind working with the team to iron them out just because the car itself is as amazing as it can get. And the claims they made about range and power match up. As the only car delivered to Coorg, I cant explain the attention its been getting. Big shoutout to my SA at Sireesh (and a special thanks to our team bhp member Shankar Balan sir for the contact)and the entire team of technicians for their super friendliness and support.

Also as far as I can tell from my experience, Mahindra is taking these minor glitches also too seriously and want to iron out anything we first batch owners are experiencing so future buyers don't face them. Everything is logged and forwarded and they have a hands on approach to everything.

[enthukutlet]

The car comes with two SIMs instead of one. I think one is Airtel and the other is Jio.

However, in my opinion it offers only one their SIM’s network for infotainment and hotspot sharing. The other one is smartly reserved for connected car features in my opinion.

The network speed test is attached. This is while I was parked in my residential complex parking. However a thing to note that this may have a daily bandwidth limit as a YouTube video I was playing just stopped midway and didn’t buffer.

[ashishk29]

Originally Posted by darkgamer

Mahindra isn’t Tesla. These features aren’t coming via updates in these cars, not in 3 years, not in 10 years, not in 20. Mahindra won’t add a single feature to ADAS via updates. ADAS and most firmware software is written via vendors who supply hardware, not Mahindra themselves.

Let's wait and watch.
Mahindra already delivered at launch what Tesla asked extra payment for, and then launched 3 years later.
The rest is purely conjecture.

Originally Posted by darkgamer

Vast majority of cars aren’t even delivered sir, they’re rotting because updates can’t be done. I’ve called and checked multiple dealerships.

And dealerships are known to be unfaltering beacons of truth and honesty. Of course.
Additionally, there are no other issues that could be slowing down deliveries, like RTO registration, insurance clearance, finances, owners preference etc etc etc.
Everybody likes to shift the blame. Dealerships aren't immune to this. They too will shift the blame everywhere they can.

Originally Posted by darkgamer

We have users on this thread whose even audio system isn’t working as well as demo cars. But I’m sure they can console themselves with auto park, because that’s the most important feature.

Oh right. One user with an audio system issue.
So I guess that negates the rest of us who have literally everything functional I suppose?

TBHP is not an exhaustive list of all the owners, you know?

Originally Posted by darkgamer

Again as I said, I don’t want to argue. Happy driving with your car. I have nothing further to say.

Feel free to stop at any point.

All of us who have gotten their cars are very happy with our cars.
Once again, TBHP is not an exhaustive list of all the owners.

Originally Posted by enthukutlet

The car comes with two SIMs instead of one. I think one is Airtel and the other is Jio.

It's so funny to me because that's the exact network combination I use in my phone.
But that's good. Redundancy is always welcome. Especially in something this high-tech.

[autoliebe]

Originally Posted by ashishk29

A quick demo of the self-parking function in my office parking:

That's cool. IMO ADAS tech features are gimmicky. Fascinating. But are they really life-saving like Air-bags, ABS, ESP etc.?

I am still not sure if I believe them as safety feature of mere gimmicks.

Able BHPians do opine please!

Thanks,

[Mike_Schumacher]

Availability of Apple carplay at launch is a known issue for Mahindra. I think it was same for 700,SN, Roxx. If carplay is one of the most needed features, it's better to wait for at least 6 months post launch, before buying any new Mahindra car.

[ashishk29]

Originally Posted by autoliebe

That's cool. IMO ADAS tech features are gimmicky. Fascinating. But are they really life-saving like Air-bags, ABS, ESP etc.?

I am still not sure if I believe them as safety feature of mere gimmicks.

Able BHPians do opine please!

Thanks,

I would have to respectfully disagree.

Lane-keep, Lane change, traffic follow assists, adaptive cruise control are really handy on highways and expressways. They take a great deal of load off the driver.

ADAS2+ does incorporate safety features like AEB (Auto Emergency Braking), ELK (Emergency Lane Keep), ESA (Emergency Steering Assist) etc etc.

The whole point of innovation is to make our lives easier.
If we call everything a gimmick, we'll never get improvements.

If my car can park itself, why would I not offload that?
If my car can handle itself on highways, why would I not offload that?
If my car can keep me safer by predicting potential collisions before I can perceive them, why not?

As someone who's been driving cars for 20 years now, I welcome all these changes.

I remember when passenger side ORVM used to be an optional extra.
One might argue it's an essential safety device. But it was viewed as an accessory back in the day.
Can't imagine if it had always retained the "accessory" status.

[Mike_Schumacher]

Originally Posted by ashishk29

I would have to respectfully disagree.

Lane-keep, Lane change, traffic follow assists, adaptive cruise control are really handy on highways and expressways. They take a great deal of load off the driver.

ADAS2+ does incorporate safety features like AEB (Auto Emergency Braking), ELK (Emergency Lane Keep), ESA (Emergency Steering Assist) etc etc.

The whole point of innovation is to make our lives easier.
If we call everything a gimmick, we'll never get improvements.

If my car can park itself, why would I not offload that?
If my car can handle itself on highways, why would I not offload that?
If my car can keep me safer by predicting potential collisions before I can perceive them, why not?

As someone who's been driving cars for 20 years now, I welcome all these changes.

I remember when passenger side ORVM used to be an optional extra.
One might argue it's an essential safety device. But it was viewed as an accessory back in the day.
Can't imagine if it had always retained the "accessory" status.

I agree. ADAS is not gimmicky at all. It makes the driving experience safer,easier and a far more pleasant. Is it 100 percent usable on Indian roads? Of course not. But that says more about our pathetic infrastructure and driving habits rather than the usefulness of ADAS. Adaptive Cruise , Lane keep assists are definitely usable on most of our NHs though.

[ashishk29]

A query for any folks from Hyderabad:
Did anyone get their car from VVC Mahindra, Kondapur?
If so, did anyone get insurance directly, and not from the dealership?
An acquaintance was asking about this.

[PMSreenivas]

Originally Posted by ashishk29

A query for any folks from Hyderabad:
Did anyone get their car from VVC Mahindra, Kondapur?
If so, did anyone get insurance directly, and not from the dealership?
An acquaintance was asking about this.

I am getting mine from VVC Kondapur but I'm taking the insurance from the dealer.

[affi747]

CAR ALLOTTED!

I got a call from my sireesh auto SA yesterday evening that i have been allotted a car and I need to do the full payment within a day or two in order to confirm my allotment and early next week I could take delivery.
If I dont hurry in payment, he told me I was at risk of losing the car to someone else who does the payment as the car is in high demand.

Today my SA was on leave and he connected me to his team lead. I get a totally different version from the team lead.
He said that even though I do the payment in a day or two, the allotted car would be given to me only after 15 days.
According ti him, it's software has to be updated and also my details have to be configured in the car itseems.
Also he is not willing to show me the car which has been allotted to me even after I do the payment and according him it's in their yard and no one is allowed in the yard itseems. Also he was pushing for insurance from their side.
On top of that I haven't recieved anything in writing about the car being allotted to me(VIN NO.)
I think these sequences are not adding up.
Please suggest me how to go about it.