[darkgamer]

Originally Posted by aweracker

Why I wanted the Pack 3 select is simple. I am a guy who will always take a break after 4-5 hrs of driving, which equates to 200-250km in Indian highways.

So range expectations for me is 350km before the meter goes below 20%.

350km before the meter goes below 20% means you're expecting 450km real world range out of the 59kwh variant. I'd say that's a very optimistic expectations, and you will have to drive very very economically all the time.

IMO, the bigger battery allows me to cruise faster (100-110 kph) without worrying about battery, or go a bit longer for a faster charger or a charger with a better food joint.

Originally Posted by aweracker

Be 6 3 select offers me whatever I need:

1. A great audio system
2. RWD
3. Great power at 228bhp - I come from a 120bhp i20 N line.

Think about it this way. Let's say there was no road tax and the 3 select was priced at 26L on road v/s 31 for the pack 3. I'm sure most of us in Karnataka would have minded less paying the 5 lakh extra for the big battery and more power. It hurts so much right now because we think a lot of extra is going towards an incompetent government rather than Mahindra.

The pack 3 offers me a bigger battery and more power. More importantly it's also a more complete package with 5 radars and full suite of ADAS.

Originally Posted by aweracker

Btw, what's your take on Creta Electric.

Creta

1. Hyundai's trust
2. Better rear seat experience
3. Slightly lower price which isn't a big deal.

Creta offers a few non negotiables for me:

1. Unsafe car: I've been using my i10 nios for almost 6 years now. And every time I drive on a highway there's a fear that the unsafe body will make me regret. The main reason I'm buying a new car is to get a safer car than my current one, and Creta just isn't a safe enough car for me.

2. NMC battery pack: NMC has lower lifespan, doesn't perform as well in hot climate like in India, and isn't as safe.

3. Poor engineering: They just plonked a battery at the bottom of an ICE car and called it a day. The battery sticks out the bottom. I just don't want to support jugaad like engineering.

4. It just isn't well loaded: The mahindras offer bigger batteries, much faster motors, better handling, way better sound system, adaptive suspension and just a lot of kit more than the Creta. The Creta is just a car for poorer countries which can't afford the full fat Tucson. On the other hand the BE6 feels like a car which will do well even in western countries.

[aweracker]

Originally Posted by darkgamer

350km before the meter goes below 20% means you're expecting 450km real world range out of the 59kwh variant. I'd say that's a very optimistic expectations, and you will have to drive very very economically all the time.

IMO, the bigger battery allows me to cruise faster (100-110 kph) without worrying about battery, or go a bit longer for a faster charger or a charger with a better food joint.



Think about it this way. Let's say there was no road tax and the 3 select was priced at 26L on road v/s 31 for the pack 3. I'm sure most of us in Karnataka would have minded less paying the 5 lakh extra for the big battery and more power. It hurts so much right now because we think a lot of extra is going towards an incompetent government rather than Mahindra.

The pack 3 offers me a bigger battery and more power. More importantly it's also a more complete package with 5 radars and full suite of ADAS.



Creta offers a few non negotiables for me:

1. Unsafe car: I've been using my i10 nios for almost 6 years now. And every time I drive on a highway there's a fear that the unsafe body will make me regret. The main reason I'm buying a new car is to get a safer car than my current one, and Creta just isn't a safe enough car for me.

2. NMC battery pack: NMC has lower lifespan, doesn't perform as well in hot climate like in India, and isn't as safe.

3. Poor engineering: They just plonked a battery at the bottom of an ICE car and called it a day. The battery sticks out the bottom. I just don't want to support jugaad like engineering.

4. It just isn't well loaded: The mahindras offer bigger batteries, much faster motors, better handling, way better sound system, adaptive suspension and just a lot of kit more than the Creta. The Creta is just a car for poorer countries which can't afford the full fat Tucson. On the other hand the BE6 feels like a car which will do well even in western countries.

Makes sense.

First time in my life I feel that Delhi and Chennai offers a better sitch than I am in.

Anyway, lot can change until July, but yeah it makes sense to get the Pack 3 itself.

[ashishk29]

Originally Posted by darkgamer

Thanks a lot for these range figures BTW. You're one of the few folks on this thread with the car while the rest of us wait for ours. Please keep updating us whenever possible.

Happy to help!
I just did a short city drive. Around 4-5km. Got a whopping 9.6km/kWh. There's a HUGE amount of potential there, just need to learn how to tap into it. Was running on power saving, with default mode, and a light foot on the throttle.

Originally Posted by aweracker

Be 6 3 select offers me whatever I need:

1. A great audio system
2. RWD
3. Great power at 228bhp - I come from a 120bhp i20 N line.

Creta

1. Hyundai's trust
2. Better rear seat experience
3. Slightly lower price which isn't a big deal.

BE6 pack 3 offers 282hp BTW, not 228.

Also Hyundai's trust is only for minor stuff.

They completely drop the ball in the major stuff, i.e. safety ratings. I cannot imagine spending anything above 6L on a 3 star rated car.

[enthukutlet]

My BE 6 was delivered today. Great car, loving the V8 sound on the external.

Issues:
1. Tried to activate cooling using the key several times, it doesn't activate.
2. The radio turns on every time I start the car (at a very high volume too); this signals that maybe it wasn't updated.
3. My carpet light (Pattern 1 or Pattern 2) doesn't show up in any case even though it's turned on in the settings

[Screenshot]:
1. Software version by long-pressing "Locks" inside one of the settings; can an owner of the BE6 compare if their version is higher than this one?


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What should I do for the issues?

[ashishk29]

Originally Posted by enthukutlet

My BE 6 was delivered today. Great car, loving the V8 sound on the external.

Issues:
1. Tried to activate cooling using the key several times, it doesn't activate.
2. The radio turns on every time I start the car (at a very high volume too); this signals that maybe it wasn't updated.
3. My carpet light (Pattern 1 or Pattern 2) doesn't show up in any case even though it's turned on in the settings

[Screenshot]:
1. Software version by long-pressing "Locks" inside one of the settings; can an owner of the BE6 compare if their version is higher than this one?


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What should I do for the issues?

I seem to have the same version.

I have not successfully triggered cooling using key fob either. Will investigate.
The car does default to radio every time it boots up. However I think it maintains the last audio volume. Will check and confirm.
Carpet lights activate only while locking/unlocking the car, and that's all.
Try to unlock the car, and not touch any handles. See if the carpet lamps pop up.

[affi747]

Hi fellow bhpians,
I've been reading about the taxation part in the above few threads. My take on this-
Firstly, I'm not in favour of taxing us for an ev above 25 lakhs. For that matter, In the current governance scenario of our nation, no state or central government is competent enough to give us the standard of road transport compared to what we pay as taxes to the government. So no point calling out any particular state government to be incompetent. All are the same.
Anyways, you could still go in for the pack 3 even though you might be paying 2.7 lakhs extra. Reason being-
Avail 40% depreciation benifit year on year on your ev. This will save a lot of your money every year. For more details on this, consult your auditor and get the benefits.
Thank you

[aweracker]

Originally Posted by ashishk29

Happy to help!
I just did a short city drive. Around 4-5km. Got a whopping 9.6km/kWh. There's a HUGE amount of potential there, just need to learn how to tap into it. Was running on power saving, with default mode, and a light foot on the throttle.


BE6 pack 3 offers 282hp BTW, not 228.

Also Hyundai's trust is only for minor stuff.

They completely drop the ball in the major stuff, i.e. safety ratings. I cannot imagine spending anything above 6L on a 3 star rated car.

I was talking about the 59kw battery pack my man. That's at 228-30 bhp. Smaller battery one.

[darkgamer]

Originally Posted by affi747

Hi fellow bhpians,
I've been reading about the taxation part in the above few threads. My take on this-
Firstly, I'm not in favour of taxing us for an ev above 25 lakhs. For that matter, In the current governance scenario of our nation, no state or central government is competent enough to give us the standard of road transport compared to what we pay as taxes to the government. So no point calling out any particular state government to be incompetent. All are the same.
Anyways, you could still go in for the pack 3 even though you might be paying 2.7 lakhs extra. Reason being-
Avail 40% depreciation benifit year on year on your ev. This will save a lot of your money every year. For more details on this, consult your auditor and get the benefits.
Thank you

Depreciation benefit is only applicable to business owners taking car in the name of company and not private registration. Salaried employees aren’t allowed this deduction.

Taking car in the name of company also has some downsides. You’re not supposed to use it for non official work, though that’s rarely checked.

[SLK]

Originally Posted by darkgamer

Depreciation benefit is only applicable to business owners taking car in the name of company and not private registration.

That is not true. Depreciation has nothing to do with registration name. Commercial vehicles (again can be a personal registration as a commercial vehicle) have a different depreciation rate i.e. the cars that are run for hire as taxis. (40% depreciation is only available then! if your car is a taxi)

Originally Posted by darkgamer

Salaried employees aren’t allowed this deduction.

True, if that's your only source of income. Depreciation is allowed against business income from an individual's personally run business as a proprietorship or even if he/ she leases the vehicle out to another party (not as a business). That rate will be the same 15%.

[affi747]

Originally Posted by SLK

That is not true. Depreciation has nothing to do with registration name. Commercial vehicles (again can be a personal registration as a commercial vehicle) have a different depreciation rate i.e. the cars that are run for hire as taxis. (40% depreciation is only available then! if your car is a taxi)

True, if that's your only source of income. Depreciation is allowed against business income from an individual's personally run business as a proprietorship or even if he/ she leases the vehicle out to another party (not as a business). That rate will be the same

Im a businessman and a proprietor of my company. As per my auditor I can buy an ev on my company name or on my business name and claim 40 % depreciation. I cannot claim depreciation on rental income, I can claim it on my business income and also claim from income generated from share market.

[BreeN95]

Do you have to keep pressing on the boot open button on the key fob to open the boot or just press it once? When I press mine by tapping a few types the alarm goes off and the car keeps honking.

[darkgamer]

Originally Posted by SLK

True, if that's your only source of income. Depreciation is allowed against business income from an individual's personally run business as a proprietorship or even if he/ she leases the vehicle out to another party (not as a business). That rate will be the same 15%.

We have a bunch of sources of income: salary, capital gains, interest, rental from real estate and agricultural income. None of them qualify for depreciation. The car can only be taken for a business owner for depreciation benefits. Yes, sole proprietors are benefitted here for sure as they are their own business.

Again, my point is that this benefit isn't available to a lot of folks who don't have a business.

[enthukutlet]

Originally Posted by ashishk29

I seem to have the same version.

I have not successfully triggered cooling using key fob either. Will investigate.
The car does default to radio every time it boots up. However I think it maintains the last audio volume. Will check and confirm.
Carpet lights activate only while locking/unlocking the car, and that's all.
Try to unlock the car, and not touch any handles. See if the carpet lamps pop up.

1. Okay, noted. Weird issue. I think it will be fixed after the update.
2. Yes, maintains last volume here too.
3. Carpet lights are not activating at all. :-(

[KI07]

Originally Posted by GoBabyGo

Hi, my thoughts on EV efficiency in City and on highways.

I would like to understand, if your EV support 100+ kW fast charger but the cost of fast charging on a highway is as under, what would you prefer:

25kW fast charger - Rs.18 per kWh (20% to 90% in 1 hour)
50kW/60kW fast charger - Rs.25 per kWh (20% to 90% in 30 minutes)
75kW fast charger - Rs. 35 per kWh (20% to 90% in 25 minutes)
125kW fast charer - Rs. 50 per kWh (20% to 90% in 15 minutes)

Very interesting, I have come to this-

50Kw Charger on the highways, so that one can take a good 30-40min food break and charge.
&
125kw chargers in the city as one needs to top up 5-10% only so that they can reach there home without range anxiety and just go home and charger using the cheaper home chargers.
I will never charge within the city unless its urgent as I have a home charger installed. Furthermore, If my home is not capable of getting a charger installed, I would not even buy an EV, cause then the cost of running is very close to ICE Cars.

This leads to a very less stoppage time in the city and facilitates quick turnaround time.

If all chargers in the city as high kilowatt fast chargers, EV owners will prefer home chargers and only do small top-ups at the stations to avoid high billing.

[evhead]

Originally Posted by KI07

Very interesting, I have come to this-

50Kw Charger on the highways, so that one can take a good 30-40min food break and charge.
&
125kw chargers in the city as one needs to top up 5-10% only so that they can reach there home without range anxiety and just go home and charger using the cheaper home chargers.
I will never charge within the city unless its urgent as I have a home charger installed. Furthermore, If my home is not capable of getting a charger installed, I would not even buy an EV, cause then the cost of running is very close to ICE Cars.

This leads to a very less stoppage time in the city and facilitates quick turnaround time.

If all chargers in the city as high kilowatt fast chargers, EV owners will prefer home chargers and only do small top-ups at the stations to avoid high billing.

Perfect. Just to add my perspective to this. Even if it costs the same to run an EV as compared to petrol, I will still prefer EV for the following.

1. Quality of ride w.r.to NVH and power delivery.
2. Spending on Electricity generates more local job opportunities. India is a Gold mine for Electricity. For every 1 Re spent, Sun bestows us with twice the benefit when compared to western nations or even China. So by all means GO ELECTRIC!!