[abhinavj01]

Originally Posted by ashishk29

Got the call from my showroom. I have been allotted a car.

The countdown begins.

Now I "just" have to sell off my current car, do the loan stuff, and get the new car.

Did you try to get an exchange quote from Mahindra?

[beemer5499]

Originally Posted by darkgamer

Assuming someone getting a 30L car(that too EV, which is high risk) would be financially prudent, the average income would be somewhere around 60-70L in hand and approx 1 crore pre tax. This would put their hourly wage to be around 5.5k INR, and total time cost around 1.1 lakhs

7KW: 50k charger + ~50k load costs + 30k wiring cost + 1.1 lakhs time cost = 2.4 lakhs total

11KW: 75k charger + ~90k load costs + 30k wiring cost + 1.1 lakhs time cost = 3.05 lakhs total.

3.3KW = 3-4k. Just get it done with local electrician with zero hassle. He'll bring the material and add it in an afternoon.

Isn’t that too high of an income to just afford a 30L car which barely has any running cost expenses? This is similar to people on reddit claiming to buy an expensive car with just a month’s salary.

Also I don’t think its fair to compare your hourly wage with the time involved for upgradation of wiring and load. With this example, you would have lost crores already if we account the time spent on Team-BHP and social media.

[ashishk29]

Originally Posted by 07CR

Smart chargers or not it's about the additional cost one needs to pay. It's easily 1 lakh plus even for 7.2 Kw charger if I am not wrong. If I don't need it, I should have the option of using the dead slow 3 kw charger only. I stay in Pune City and there many fast chargers nearby my place. If at all needed I can simply go to the nearest fast charger for a FAST 15 min top up

Totally fair. I'm not refuting that logic.
Also, AFAIK regular use of DC fast charging isn't really good for the battery life in the long run as I understand. I am not fully aware of the amount of impact it has, but I'm going to research that in parallel.

Originally Posted by darkgamer

You also need to add the hassle of upgrading your sanctioned load. Your local DISCOM won't just take a hefty fee for upconversion to 7-11kw load, but will also require multiple follow ups, bribes(unfortunately) and co-ordination with government babus. If you add the time cost of this, it becomes truly humongous sum of money to get the charger installed.

Fingers crossed, but so far it has been relatively better here with MSEDCL. I had to visit the office once. The lineman came by and surveyed my meter etc and signed off. Now all I need is a test report signed tomorrow. My online application is already approved. I was charged 11k for the new meter.
My existing meter was already 3-phase 6kW. So that may have made it a bit easier for me.

Originally Posted by abhinavj01

Did you try to get an exchange quote from Mahindra?

Going to do that tomorrow. Already spoke to the exchange department guy.

[darkgamer]

Originally Posted by beemer5499

Isn’t that too high of an income to just afford a 30L car which barely has any running cost expenses? This is similar to people on reddit claiming to buy an expensive car with just a month’s salary.

EVs are generally second cars in India, so I don’t think anyone would spend over what they make in 6 months for a car. Taxes are ridiculously high due to surcharges which is a reality in India, so the gross salary looks really high. 6 month salary isn’t ridiculously low like those reddit threads, especially for a second fun car.

My assumption is that for cheaper cars (8-12L) people spend a lot more, often more than the yearly income. Also taxes aren’t a significant portion of salaries at these incomes.

On the other hand for premium or two vehicle garages I’ve seen that people spend substantially lower portion of their salaries. Also taxes + cess + surcharge are humongous.

Would be happy to be corrected if I’m wrong

Also I don’t think it’s fair to compare your hourly wage with the time involved for upgradation of wiring and load. With this example, you would have lost crores already if we account the time spent on Team-BHP and social media.

That’s an unfair comparison, we usually log into social media when we aren’t working. On the other hand to get any government work done we have to take half a day off work and go to their office. It’s not like you can go to government office on a Sunday or after your work ends.

For example I can comment on TBHP right now at 7:30PM, but I can’t get BESCOM work done right now. For that I’ll have to go between 10-12 or 2-5, which are squarely within my working hours.

Originally Posted by ashishk29

Fingers crossed, but so far it has been relatively better here with MSEDCL. I had to visit the office once. The lineman came by and surveyed my meter etc and signed off. Now all I need is a test report signed tomorrow. My online application is already approved. I was charged 11k for the new meter.
My existing meter was already 3-phase 6kW. So that may have made it a bit easier for me.

That seems like a really low quote for 6->11kw increase in sanctioned load.

Don’t MSEDCL charge for each extra kw in sanctioned load + extra security deposit?

I was told a quote of 40k + security deposit for 3kw->7kw single phase and 90k + security deposit for 3kw single phase -> 11kw triple phase.

[07CR]

Originally Posted by ashishk29

Totally fair. I'm not refuting that logic.
Also, AFAIK regular use of DC fast charging isn't really good for the battery life in the long run as I understand. I am not fully aware of the amount of impact it has, but I'm going to research that in parallel.

To be honest anyone with a <100 km daily running doesn't need the 7.2 Kw charger (forget about the 11 Kw one). You can simply plug in the 3 Kw 15 Amp socket charger for 12 hours and still get about 30-32 KW of battery which is equivalent to 200~ KM real world range. I plan to use it in similar fashion, and will juice it up overnight everytime the battery falls below 30 Kw mark.

Originally Posted by darkgamer

EVs are generally second cars in India, so I don’t think anyone would spend over what they make in 6 months for a car. Taxes are ridiculously high due to surcharges which is a reality in India, so the gross salary looks really high. 6 month salary isn’t ridiculously low like those reddit threads, especially for a second fun car.

Disagree on the part where an individual would need to make atleast 1CR before taxes to buy a BE6. Me and wife combined don't even make 60L pre taxes and aim to buy the BE6 sometime next year.

[ashishk29]

Originally Posted by darkgamer

EVs are generally second cars in India, so I don’t think anyone would spend over what they make in 6 months for a car. That seems like a really low quote for 6->11kw increase in sanctioned load.

Don’t MSEDCL charge for each extra kw in sanctioned load + extra security deposit?

I was told a quote of 40k + security deposit for 3kw->7kw single phase and 90k + security deposit for 3kw single phase -> 11kw triple phase.

I know loads of people with their primary car being an EV. I am going to be one as well.

As for the MSEDCL charges, not sure how they calculate stuff but this was the breakdown:
First security deposit: 3250/-
Service connection charges: 7790/-
Processing fees: 170/-
Sums up to 11210/-

Originally Posted by 07CR

To be honest anyone with a <100 km daily running doesn't need the 7.2 Kw charger (forget about the 11 Kw one). You can simply plug in the 3 Kw 15 Amp socket charger for 12 hours and still get about 30-32 KW of battery which is equivalent to 200~ KM real world range. I plan to use it in similar fashion, and will juice it up overnight everytime the battery falls below 30 Kw mark.

Yeah that also sounds like a good plan.
Personally, I just wanted to eliminate any potential range anxiety. I prefer to cover all my perceived essentials in the first go rather than try out and then get it.

[Kosfactor]

Originally Posted by 07CR

To be honest anyone with a <100 km daily running doesn't need the 7.2 Kw charger (forget about the 11 Kw one). You can simply plug in the 3 Kw 15 Amp socket charger for 12 hours and still get about 30-32 KW of battery which is equivalent to 200~ KM real world range. I plan to use it in similar fashion, and will juice it up overnight everytime the battery falls below 30 Kw mark.
.

Yes.

In the IT hubs, I expect EVs to gain significant market share soon because of Hybrid working models. Your vehicle will sit in the lot charging for 2-3 days sometimes and then gets used for a few more days, a long weekend drive etc. Its all possible now. DC charging would be rare in such cases.

[darkgamer]

Originally Posted by 07CR

Disagree on the part where an individual would need to make atleast 1CR before taxes to buy a BE6. Me and wife combined don't even make 60L pre taxes and aim to buy the BE6 sometime next year.

Hey, I didn’t mean to say that you need to make at least 1cr. I said the average profile of someone buying this car would be that much. Some earning more, some less.

And the tax implication of combined incomes vs single income is significant. The tax liability of a couple earning 60L is very low, while single person earning that amount will need to pay surcharge amounting for much lower in hand income.

Please don’t equate single person earning and a couple earning. Just to show as an example.

Couple earning 50L + 50L -> tax of roughly 18-19 lakhs. In hand around 82L

Single person earning 1cr -> tax + surcharge of roughly 28-29 lakhs. In hand around 72 lakhs.

Honestly know a lot of people earning around 80L-1.2cr range and none of them own cars costing above 30L on road.

Originally Posted by ashishk29

I know loads of people with their primary car being an EV. I am going to be one as well.

That’s quite brave. This will be my primary car as well but definitely the second car. I’ll be keeping my i10 nios as backup + wife car.

Originally Posted by ashishk29

As for the MSEDCL charges, not sure how they calculate stuff but this was the breakdown:
First security deposit: 3250/-
Service connection charges: 7790/-
Processing fees: 170/-
Sums up to 11210/-

Wow. That seems very low. Almost 10x lower than here. Here the cost of per kw sanctioned load is almost 10k including everything.

[ashishk29]

Originally Posted by darkgamer

That’s quite brave. This will be my primary car as well but definitely the second car. I’ll be keeping my i10 nios as backup + wife car.

One of my teammates has a ZS EV. He has owned it for the last ~2 years or so.
He takes it for road-trips, Pune-Mumbai runs, etc. He brings it to office every day, and his commute is ~60km a day. And this is his only car.

If he can do all this with a 50kWh battery, I'm quite confident the 79 will work wonders.

[darkgamer]

Originally Posted by ashishk29

One of my teammates has a ZS EV. He has owned it for the last ~2 years or so.
He takes it for road-trips, Pune-Mumbai runs, etc. He brings it to office every day, and his commute is ~60km a day. And this is his only car.

If he can do all this with a 50kWh battery, I'm quite confident the 79 will work wonders.

No no no, I’m sure you can do it with 79kwh. I’ve rented 40-60 kwh battery EV for weeks of road trips and had zero issues, both in and outside India.

I think it’s more about a mental block of not having a backup petrol car for some random route which might give a problem.

From numbers unless this car has a really poor efficiency it should be completely fine.

[wooka]

Originally Posted by kgt.v8

I know I was the one proposing and defending the fast charger just a couple days back, but after dealing with the sarkari babu to get load increased for just a couple hours I've done a complete 180 degree turn. I humbly think it's a pointless endeavour to get the fast charger installed unless someone is doing it for me end-to-end. In metro cities we have plenty of 120kw chargers within a couple kms of our homes, so if I'm in a pinch I can just go there and get a quick top up.

1. This is the reality of the country. The ethanol lobbies could care less about having our lives simplified. A lot of people going for green meters are definitely in for a rude awakening

2. Public DC charging throws a fair amount of the value proposition out the window. Also, in 50C heat, I am sure our idealized charging times and battery wear are in for a hammering.

Misc responses:

3. About using non-MnM/ portable or fixed chargers:
i> What about using the portable charger - is it fleshed out for long term heavy duty use?
ii> Can it be stolen easily?
iii> Does it have necessary precautions like RCDs and MCB capabilities built in? I am most worried about a raised neutral line. I've had to deal with a lot of issues with raised neutrals, esp when neighbors have faults.
iv> Warranty coverage on the portable charger?
v> Is the portable charger serviceable? Or just trash and buy another? Cost?
vi> Is the car connector waterproof (generally speaking?)

[idoctor]

Any news about what all features will be under a subscription?

[ashishk29]

Originally Posted by idoctor

Any news about what all features will be under a subscription?

I'm guessing the 5G connectivity might be the only thing that'll need an yearly recharge.

Apart from that, there are no subscriptions. Unless you're counting insurance

[Gladiator98]

Has anybody received any update wrt to delivery dates ? As per my SA the same has now shifted to 20-22nd March by MIL.

[dynomite]

As far as I know, deliveries have not yet started.

How are these guys registering unit sales?

https://gaadiwaadi.com/mahindra-xev-...s-in-feb-2025/

Anyone who has received their vehicles here? Or even received a promised delivery date?

I don't even have the distribution box installed yet.