[Sanwal Chandra]

Originally Posted by Arteberus

Will send a pic in the morning sometime.

It’s crystal clear now and unexpectedly useful I barely look at the DID now!

I tried my best and couldnt find/remove the plastic cover. This is the view i am getting right now. Is yours clearer than this?

[shyampsunder]

Originally Posted by motorhead1981

Charged for 36 Mins @ Zeon 50kw- seamless experience. Charged to 80 percent, didn’t wait one minute beyond the time needed for breakfast

Great to see you had a seamless experience. Having done this route multiple times on ZS EV, a couple of tips.

1. On your way back, see if you can charge at A2B Kallakurichi Zeon. It's a 120 kW * 2 charger. Your car is perfectly suited to take full advantage of this charger.

2. Enable autocharge through the Zeon app if you haven't already done so. Simply plug in the car and it starts charging. No messing around with QRs, app or RFID.

[shinigami_xev]

Got the car last week. Have done 3 long road trips since.
Loved the car as a well thought out product with many features coming together to change how I fundamentally drive (shoutout to the AR display and it's nudge mechanisms).

Of course the car is a beast when it comes to power. Just reminder myself how scary aggressive that torque can be in Race mode.

Pet peeve rn - the range is (kinda) disappointing. I am frequenting the 2nd time on Lucknow Agra expressway now. 3-4 passengers. Medium luggage load.

Got 400-430 rangeat best. I got the car to beat range anxiety with a 500km promised range seems like this car can only do 500 at 80 and 400 at 90 avg kmph. In 100-110 range (one I typically drive on expressways, i scarcely get 400).

Dad is a bit disappointed seeing me drive at 90 on the expressway when he would zoom around in 120-140 kmph in his 13 year old honda city.

Also, the car is a battery guzzler of i do a burst mode of 130-140 kmph for hardly 5 minutes.

Community sense check - am i the only one getting this range or you guys have similar observations? I typically have a light foot and drive very economically. (no sudden acceleration or breaking. Mileage priority, not aggression>

Details

Trips 1
Mathura to Lucknow. Left Mathura at 60% SOC, reached Agra at 45% for a 60 km stretch at 80kmph avg. Topped up at 120kWh DC statiq at Agra ITC to 85%. Then joined expressway. Part A - drove 200 kms at 100-140kmph and lost 55% (down to 29% SOC). Then turned on power saving mode and drove next 120 at 90kmph(capped). Reached home with 4% SOC.

Note - range anxiety is real and even more so for the frustratingly bad charging network. Expressway haels 2 food stops. One had Jio and Tata charger with no power supply. The next one had an Adani and Jio charger - both non functional due to network and software issues.

Trip 2 -
Lucknow to Agra to Mathura

This time I was better prepared. 100% SOC while leaving home. Put the car in range mode. Reached Agra (350kms travelled) with 15% SoC remaining. The car was in 90-100 kmph for the first half of the journey and 100-110kmph in the latter.

Topped up at the Statiq charger again to 50 percent, and drove another 113kms from Agra to Mathura, arriving at 25 percent. Avg speed 100 kmph.

Current owners - are you facing similar challenges or it is just me?

[evhead]

Dad is a bit disappointed seeing me drive at 90 on the expressway when he would zoom around in 120-140 kmph in his 13 year old honda city.

Here are 2 scenarios.
Person A: Can zoom at 120-140 kmph but cannot force an overtake when required.
Person B: Cruises at 90 kmph, but can overtake in a Jiffy (safely) when required.

Whom do you think will reach the destination first in Indian Highways? Who will feel fresh at the end of the day? :-)

[supertinu]

Originally Posted by shinigami_xev

Also, the car is a battery guzzler of i do a burst mode of 130-140 kmph for hardly 5 minutes.

Community sense check - am i the only one getting this range or you guys have similar observations? I typically have a light foot and drive very economically. (no sudden acceleration or breaking. Mileage priority, not aggression>

I dont own an EV but from what you write this is pretty much in line with how all EVs behave and is well documented. Highways with minimal regen and higher speeds is where EV range shortcomings typically shows up. I will let other XEV owners comment but ~400km range seems pretty good. My friends in US with Merc EQE also dont get more than 250miles.

[evhead]

Long Post:

I see many people complaining about low mileage, when they try to drive their EV at more than 120 Kmph. This is my attempt to bring some clarity.

I have been driving for more than 25 years, and enjoyed the evolution of auto industry (and Indian highways) to the fullest. :-). During these years I have had multiple cars with different engines / fuels / transmission etc. Each of these behave differently with respect to mileage when you push them hard.

First Generation Swift: 5 gears, petrol, naturally aspirated. On cruising it gives 16kmpl, but when pushed it gives 10 kmpl.
XUV 500: 6 Gears, Diesel. Gives something like 20 to 30% lesser mileage. Not as bad as petrol.
Creta Turbo Petrol: 7DCT. Cruising 16 kmpl, Pushing 10 kmpl (As good as Swift mileage, but far more power and bigger car!!)

As you see, the results on pushing varies based on multiple technological choices that you make. But one common denominator is the air resistance at higher speed. THIS WILL BRING YOUR MILEAGE DOWN, irrespective of the car you drive!! (based air drag coefficient of course).

So EV is not behaving way different against ICE cars in this aspect. You WILL get disproportionately lesser mileage if you hit more than 100 kmph. The reason you are very worried is your range anxiety and not the mileage itself. You should not be choosing EV (for now, things are changing fast). if you are very very range anxious.

In summary, chose your horse wisely. Do not choose RE and complain that its not like KTM Duke (a more pronounced analogy).

[purohitanuj]

Some interesting data. 2213 kms (2113+25% Remaining) done in 4 cycle. This means, per 100%, I got 553KMs of Range. The regen system yielded with 160kwh of energy (equivalent to 2 full additional charge cycles)!
Hence, if the car did not have any regen capabilities, still it would have given 370KMs / 100%. These are fantastic numbers!



Current ODO + 125 KMs of indicated range remaining in the current (4th charge cycle)


Also. I have been able to achieve 9.7km/kwh efficiency with Aircon set to 25c ( ambient temps > 37c - 40c) and cruising in the city-city highway.

What more can I say!

[chavan77]

Originally Posted by shinigami_xev

Got 400-430 rangeat best. I got the car to beat range anxiety with a 500km promised range seems like this car can only do 500 at 80 and 400 at 90 avg kmph. In 100-110 range (one I typically drive on expressways, i scarcely get 400).

Dad is a bit disappointed seeing me drive at 90 on the expressway when he would zoom around in 120-140 kmph in his 13 year old honda city.

Also, the car is a battery guzzler of i do a burst mode of 130-140 kmph for hardly 5 minutes.

I own a completely different EV, The BYD Atto3 60KWh. I typically drive with a light foot, dont cross 100 KMPH on the highways. I have consistently seen 425 KMs range with 5% charge left on the highways.

Agree with you that high speeds are bad for the battery, I think of EVs not as speed demons, but environment conscious, high efficiency people movers. However, the charging stations scenario is frustrating, and I have never driven without range anxiety on long trips. A lot of planning is needed and there are no apps that will help you, you have juggle quite a few of them. On top of that, the charging company apps are full on scams, they will not let you pay with credit cards and each one needs its wallet, leaving you with no choice but to load all of them up before the trip to reduce wait times. Range anxiety is not because of EVs, I think its the pathetic network and greedy, low quality of service operators.

[PMSreenivas]

Originally Posted by shinigami_xev

Dad is a bit disappointed seeing me drive at 90 on the expressway when he would zoom around in 120-140 kmph in his 13 year old honda city.

Its not that your car is unable to reach those speeds. Its just that you are not driving at those speeds because of the faster consumption of your battery.
One thing you need to remember when you compare these two is, even the honda city gives more mileage at speeds of 90s and less mileage at 120-140.
You refill the car more frequently at high speeds even in your honda city.
In the same manner you need to charge more often in your xev 9e when you want to cruise at high speeds.

Efficiency reduces at high speeds. Its a normal phenomenon. It isn't the issue of the car.

[evhead]

On top of that, the charging company apps are full on scams, they will not let you pay with credit cards and each one needs its wallet, leaving you with no choice but to load all of them up before the trip to reduce wait times.

It is high time that Govt steps in and sets up a regulatory body (for cost regulation) and a common protocol (for discovery, booking and payment).

[carjack3090]

One thing to remember is that Mahindra's are heavy, heavier than normal. So lighter BYD's and Creta EV can sometimes surpass the range figures. Nothing to worry about, we are going to see Cars turning into Mobile phones where I remember s22 being bashed left and right for its battery issues and overheating only for better optimization after an update.

[ADI7YAK]

Originally Posted by carjack3090

One thing to remember is that Mahindra's are heavy, heavier than normal. So lighter BYD's and Creta EV can sometimes surpass the range figures.

Not true. Curb weight of XEV 9e is 2201kg while that of BYD Sealion 7 (RWD with 82kWh battery) is 2225kg. Creta is a smaller car and cannot be compared to the XEV 9e.

[shyampsunder]

Originally Posted by evhead

It is high time that Govt steps in and sets up a regulatory body (for cost regulation) and a common protocol (for discovery, booking and payment).

The govt is the leader when it comes to providing a terrible charging experience starting with IOCL with a charger non functional rate of 95%!

And remember these are taxpayer funded chargers. Roughly 1000 crores have been spent on these chargers.

Involving the heavy hand of the state and asking for price regulation etc is a recipe for disaster with private CPOs fleeing and us being at the mercy of these IOCL and BPCL chargers.

The state is not the answer for every problem in life. There are CPOs like Chargezone and Zeon who are a cut above the rest. Aggregator apps like MG eHub and Tata iRa.ev are coming up to solve the discovery and unified payments problem. Let the customer decide which CPO and model thrives.

Personally I don't use the aggregator apps because I hate using apps to start the charging session. It's mostly due to poor UX like asking the customer to enter number of units etc. I don't want to be doing mathematical gymnastics while I am at a charger. A simple plug and charge with autocharge is what I use. If a CPO doesn't support it, I am unlikely to use their charger.

Let the market decide what is the right solution, not a faceless bureaucrat who has no idea about EVs and is chauffeured around in an ICE vehicle.

[VSEV85]

Originally Posted by shinigami_xev

Got 400-430 rangeat best. I got the car to beat range anxiety with a 500km promised range seems like this car can only do 500 at 80 and 400 at 90 avg kmph. In 100-110 range (one I typically drive on expressways, i scarcely get 400).

400kms is a good range today considering other vehicles in the market. Driving an EV efficiently is different from driving an ICE vehicle efficiently. The range of an EV can be extended on the highway by being light on the accelerator by limiting the maximum power drawn below 25% during accelaration and below 10% at cruising speeds. If this is followed, the speed limit won't be a problem. U can do 110KMPH even at 5-10% power drawn or you can do the same at 30% power drawn. It purely depends on how light footed you are. I'm sure if you can limit you speed to 90KMPH (power savings mode) you can easily do 450-470kms range in the 9E.

I as an EV car owner would prefer driving at 90-100kmph and reaching the destination without a charge stop than driving at 120-140kmph and stopping to charge the car. It's only gonna take more time and money if we drive fast.

[masterkjn]

Does this car have a small lead acid battery like an ICE vehicle which needs to be replaced every few years? Also does the ignition depend on that battery like regular ICE cars and if i go on a vacation for 15 days do i need to instruct a family member to "start" the car once every few days?