[antz.bin]

Originally Posted by abhisheksahas

Currv EV - 55 kWh - 22L
BE6 - 59 kWh - 26L
ZS EV - 50kWh - 26L
Atto3- 50kWh-30L
XEV9e- 79 kWh- 31L
Atto3- 60kWh- 34L
Ioniq5- 72 kWh - 46L
Seal- 83 kWh- 53L
EV6- 77kWh- 66L

Hi Abhishek

I don't want to pick on you but you got the prices of both battery capacities of Atto 3 and Seal wrong.

Atto 3 50 costs 25 lakh (not 30)
Atto 3 60 costs 30/36 lakh (not 34)
Seal 83 costs 45.55 lakh (not 53)

The Atto 3 has not seen a price hike in years. At the time of launch, it was priced at par with the Jeep Compass 4x4 AT. Look at the price the Jeep sells now.

Moving on, ZS EV starts at 18.9 lakh. Same as the BE 6. But this variant was launched in Feb 2024. Almost exactly a year back. Li ion Battery prices have dropped 30% in that period. All of the Tata EVs have seen massive price cuts in this period to the tune of 3 lakhs! BYD and MG haven't given official price cuts. But MG did launch the path breaking Windsor at more *honest* prices.

The ex showroom price of Mahindra's own XUV 400 is 17.5 lakh for the top end 39 kWh variant while the massively upgraded BEV 6 59 kWh starts at just 1.4 lakh more. Just step into a Mahindra dealership to ask them why that is the case. Because it has an official 3 lakh rupee discount ongoing.

EV6 was being sold for 49.9 lakh till recently. Ioniq 5 is also selling with discounts.

And coming back to the last remaining car in this list, the Curvv. That itself is facing an existential crisis now since the BE 6 59 kWh starts at a price lower than the cheapest 55kwh Curvv while the 45 kWh Curvv is not desirable enough to command a 3.5 lakh rupee premium over the Nexon 45.

In all of this story, you missed the top selling EV in the country. It is not the cheapest one, nor the most powerful one. It is the one that I mentioned was launched at a *honest* price. That is what many of us expected from Mahindra. But I guess they don't have the production capacity to support *honest* pricing yet. So be it, till a Chinese OEM comes along and disrupts this segment as well.

[shyampsunder]

Originally Posted by newenergy

Even I want to use 16A but it all depends on RWAs. In our society they are the road blockers. I am happy to apply for a green meter and get it installed but I am not allowed to. I am sure the same situation is not only for me and for many who live in apartments. Some sane RWAs do allow it and some do not and there is very less or strict instructions from Govt on this (specially Maharashtra).

I live in an apartment in Bangalore and we have 100+ EVs with their own charging setup in the basement.

Maharashtra's registrar of cooperative societies has specifically mandated NOC within 7 days for setting up EV charging. At all levels of the govt clarifications have come. But ultimately RWAs are a pain. Tenants like me have the option of finding an EV friendly society but it's the owners who are stuck.

[ishekk]

Originally Posted by shyampsunder

Will recommend against depending on the society charger alone because:

1. In case of power outages, charging won't resume. Will be problematic if such an outage happens in the night and you are planning a trip in the morning.

In our society there are common statiq charges & charging usually resumes itself after power outage.

[abhisheksahas]

Originally Posted by antz.bin

Hi Abhishek

I don't want to pick on you but you got the prices of both battery capacities of Atto 3 and Seal wrong.

Atto 3 50 costs 25 lakh (not 30)
Atto 3 60 costs 30/36 lakh (not 34)
Seal 83 costs 45.55 lakh (not 53)

The Atto 3 has not seen a price hike in years. At the time of launch, it was priced at par with the Jeep Compass 4x4 AT. Look at the price the Jeep sells now.

Moving on, ZS EV starts at 18.9 lakh. Same as the BE 6. But this variant was launched in Feb 2024. Almost exactly a year back. Li ion Battery prices have dropped 30% in that period. All of the Tata EVs have seen massive price cuts in this period to the tune of 3 lakhs! BYD and MG haven't given official price cuts. But MG did launch the path breaking Windsor at more *honest* prices.

The ex showroom price of Mahindra's own XUV 400 is 17.5 lakh for the top end 39 kWh variant while the massively upgraded BEV 6 59 kWh starts at just 1.4 lakh more. Just step into a Mahindra dealership to ask them why that is the case. Because it has an official 3 lakh rupee discount ongoing.

EV6 was being sold for 49.9 lakh till recently. Ioniq 5 is also selling with discounts.

And coming back to the last remaining car in this list, the Curvv. That itself is facing an existential crisis now since the BE 6 59 kWh starts at a price lower than the cheapest 55kwh Curvv while the 45 kWh Curvv is not desirable enough to command a 3.5 lakh rupee premium over the Nexon 45.

In all of this story, you missed the top selling EV in the country. It is not the cheapest one, nor the most powerful one. It is the one that I mentioned was launched at a *honest* price. That is what many of us expected from Mahindra. But I guess they don't have the production capacity to support *honest* pricing yet. So be it, till a Chinese OEM comes along and disrupts this segment as well.

Thank you for being kind in your words.

I acknowledge that I got the price of Atto3 50 kWh wrong, but according to carwale:
The Atto3 top end is priced at 34L ex showroom.
The Seal 83 top end is priced at 53L ex-showroom.
The ZS EV is still listed at 24L for the top variant.

It’s wouldn’t be fair to compare the mid variants of the Atto3 and Seal with the top end variants of Mahindra twins since the entire pricing lineup hasn’t been revealed.

I was aware of the discounted prices of the EV6, but it’s not fair since this was for a limited number of models to clear inventory. But even those prices now feels excessive.

The alternative approach of lining up prices of all the base spec variants wouldn’t change the order significantly, especially when you consider that the base trim on the Mahindra’s seem to offer a lot more than it’s nearest competition.

The XEV9e is a much bigger car. Probably comparable to the EV6 in terms of size, range and features and practicality and the B6 is probably in the segment with the Currve, Creta and ZS

Now when you restrict the scope to specific market that these respective vehicles are aligned with, the reduction in prices of Li would show in the prices offered by Mahindra at the launch.

Feel free to correct any point that you feel was missed.

[sachinayak]

We need to understand that all other options are established EV players who have had electric cars for multiple years. These are time-tested across multiple markets and have established themselves.

Mahindra is a great player in the Indian Automotive space, but this is their first offering in the EV space (which involves taking multiple components from multiple vendors and bringing them together). Had this been a time-tested product, no qualms on the pricing.

[07CR]

The BE 6 and XEV9E's base variant pricing delta was 3L. But in the top end version's it 3.6L. Why Mahindra? This makes XEV's pricing even more bloated.

[driver641]

Originally Posted by 07CR

The BE 6 and XEV9E's base variant pricing delta was 3L. But in the top end version's it 3.6L. Why Mahindra? This makes XEV's pricing even more bloated.

I assume it would be the corresponding increase in GST. When it comes to OTR price, the insurance would bloat it more.

[Contrapunto]

I don't want to spend more than 25L ex-showroom. Beyond that, in Banaglore, we have to pay full road tax etc which increases the price-to-customer quite a bit. So Mahindra XE 9 top end at 30L is a non-starter for me.

Also, my current (2nd) car is nearing 13 years and is pretty long in the tooth- need a replacement soon. Not sure if I can wait for Mahindra's standard "have-a-baby" 10-12 months waiting period that they throw up with all their models.

I loved the car, but I think I will have to explore Creta EV or search for deals in Atto3- which is a no-risk bet in the market today, especially in the entry level trim.

[Geta]

Originally Posted by abhisheksahas

Thank you for being kind in your words.

the B6 is probably in the segment with the Currve, Creta and ZS

Feel free to correct any point that you feel was missed.

I am very very surprised that even TBHP members go by dimensions and price while clubbing cars together. By no stretch of imagination, a MG ZS EV or a Tata Curvv, or even a Hyundai Creta EV belong to the same segment as BE6.

BE6 is a pocket rocket which comes with a 285 PS/380Nm torque motor with a top speed of 202 kmph for under Rs 25 lakhs ex showroom (pack 2, expected price)

No other car under Rs 45 lakhs ex showroom (BYD Seal, Performance variant) comes close to these power figures.

To put things into perspective, BMW iX1 with 310 PS power with top speed limited to 180 kmph, costs Rs 66 lakhs ex showroom.

Mahindra has been truly democratising power in the last decade, and this time in the EV space too.

[volkman10]

Mahindra is looking to learn from its domestic experience before going to global markets for its EVs.

- After having established ourselves here, we look at going to some right hand drive (RHD). maybe UK and learn from the experience.

-The company will also consider entering the left-hand drive (LHD) markets “over a period of time”, but everything will be in a phased manner.

- Initial focus remains on gaining a sizable presence in the domestic market.

- We really would want to go global, but we are also mindful that globalisation is a simpler said than done strategy.


Link:

[antz.bin]

Originally Posted by driver641

I assume it would be the corresponding increase in GST. When it comes to OTR price, the insurance would bloat it more.

The increase in GST @5% for 3lakhs is 15k, not 60k.

Originally Posted by abhisheksahas

The Atto3 top end is priced at 34L ex showroom.

That was my mistake. I was looking at the on-road price of that one.

Originally Posted by abhisheksahas

The Seal 83 top end is priced at 53L ex-showroom.

That is the Seal AWD. The Seal RWD top-end with the same features as the AWD costs 45.5L

Originally Posted by abhisheksahas

The alternative approach of lining up prices of all the base spec variants wouldn’t change the order significantly, especially when you consider that the base trim on the Mahindra’s seem to offer a lot more than it’s nearest competition.

Lets do that activity as well, we will have more data points once the prices of Creta EV and eVitara are out. For shortening the list, I am leaving out anything below 45 kwh and above 50 lakh since those are beyond the scope of discussion.

For base variants this is the order:
Nexon 45 - 14L
XUV 400 - 17.5L
Curvv 45 - 17.5L
BE 6 59- 18.9L
ZS EV 50 - 19L
Curvv 55 - 19.25L
XEV E9 59 - 21.9L
Atto 3 50 - 25L
BE 6 79 - 26.9L(Top End)
EMax 7 55 - 26.9L
EMax 7 72 - 29.3L (Top End 6 Seater)
Atto 3 60 - 30l
XEV E9 79 - 31L (Top End)
Seal 59 - 41L
Seal 83 - 45.5L (Top End RWD)
Ioniq 5 73 - 46L

See, a lot of changes happened!

Originally Posted by abhisheksahas

Now when you restrict the scope to specific market that these respective vehicles are aligned with, the reduction in prices of Li would show in the prices offered by Mahindra at the launch.

It can be seen here, that the 59 kWh versions of the Mahindras are priced well. Because competition in that space from Indian manufacturers exists.

But the prices for the 79 kWh cars, the ones everyone and their uncles will want as their only car in the garage with 500km of real world range, those haven't been priced too well. Why? Because all the competition near those battery capacities is exlusively from imports.

Adding the 2 BYD EMax's sandwiched between the 2 79 kWh Mahindras to this list has opened up a new perspective. Just a 2.4 lakh price delta between the BYDs despite addition of features AND 17 kWh of battery. How is the base XEV E9 59 5 lakh rupees cheaper than the base Emax 55 but the top end XEV E9 is 1.7 lakh rupees more expensive than the top end Emax 72?

To be very fair here, these prices may have been inflated by the fact that these Mahindras are overloaded with features and that may have caused the price escalations. We need to wait for the Pack 2 pricing of both battery packs to do a direct feature-wise comparo.

Moving on to the Ioniq 5 and EV6, those are much more proportionate and practical cars compared to the 2 Mahindras primarily driven by the additional interior room opened up by their much longer wheelbases. Lets not bring those in this discussion because of their sky high prices.

[driver641]

Originally Posted by antz.bin

The increase in GST @5% for 3lakhs is 15k, not 60k.

Ah, that’s right. Probably some top-end feature in the XEV was more expensive to make than in the BE.. could be the mars roof, or the leatherette seats/trim. Anyways, pricing is just a strategy and it need not correspond directly to the cost price. Each model will have varying profit margins for sure!

[newenergy]

Originally Posted by antz.bin

Moving on to the Ioniq 5 and EV6, those are much more proportionate and practical cars compared to the 2 Mahindras primarily driven by the additional interior room opened up by their much longer wheelbases. Lets not bring those in this discussion because of their sky high prices.

One more thing to note for Ioniq 5 and EV 6 is they have NMC battery packs. So to maintain the good battery life you will have to maintain SoC between 20-80%. So that means in normal day to day scenario you loose out on actual battery capacity as you are not going to change till 100% so you get less range.

This is where LFPs shine and due to their higher thermal runaway it is much safer in our climate. You get 100% of battery capacity without worrying about battery degradation.

This is the reason I would pick higher capacity LPF pack over NMC any day.

[spkrnh]

Originally Posted by antz.bin

Moving on to the Ioniq 5 and EV6, those are much more proportionate and practical cars compared to the 2 Mahindras primarily driven by the additional interior room opened up by their much longer wheelbases. Lets not bring those in this discussion because of their sky high prices.

Sorry to contradict but I don’t think Kia or Hyundai are more practical cars than XEV 9e. BE 6e is form over function, yes, but looking at all the reviews,

XEV 9e is
- Larger in dimensions
- Has better ground clearance
- Equal / more interior space
- Bigger boot and
- Most importantly better and more comfortable back seat seating position. (Not too knees up, in fact it looks to be one of the most comfortable back seats in any EV in India till you move to EQS / i7 levels.)

than Ioniq / EV6.

As a bonus it has better acceleration and top speed than the basic version of EV 6 and Ioniq 5.

Agreed, that Hyundai and Kia might be more reliable and better quality cars, but for someone shopping for an EV and was considering Ioniq / ev6 (non awd model), XEV 9e will definitely be on their radar.

After seeing the Enyaq facelift, I would consider an XEV 7e over the Enyaq in its awd version whenever it comes, for being back seat driven, seats look more comfortable with a good degree of recline too.

The only car which I believe cannot be compared to these Mahindras should be BYD Seal. That is an awesome car and the awd version is on another level in performance and driving pleasure.

[raviemailid]

Diverse sentiments have been expressed on this thread regarding the pricing of the XEV 9e. A quick suggestion to @Mods: Can we add a poll for people to indicate their feelings about the car's price? The options could be the usual choices of High / Adequate / VFM.

I’m fine with the pricing if they can deliver on the incredible promises they’ve made. I’d even consider buying a variant with 40L pricing, provided it comes with 100kwh battery pack & perks like a dedicated support person, good treatment during service center visits, and some exclusive charging support. My concern isn’t about the price—it’s about the risk of poor product quality and inconsistent after-sales support, especially given the hit-or-miss experiences of their service centers.

Here is my another concern: An important aspect of owning an EV is the EV infrastructure readiness. Mahindra hasn't spoken any word on their commitment to making charging infrastructure any better or providing any dedicated EV-related app for buyers. Are they expecting customers spending ₹30 lakh on an EV to rely solely on third-party apps and charging points?

In contrast, MG, during the launch of the Windsor, spent a good time talking about their eHUB app or their commitment to put EV charging in all of their service and sales points. Tata has charging at the majority of places and has done a lot to improve the public charging network. It'll be nice of Mahindra to not just profit off of car sales, but also invest some money in the Infra to make the overall EV ownership experience better.

In an CNBC-TV18 interview to Parikshit Luthra, Vijay Nakra, the President of Auto Sector, M&M said that bookings for Pack 1 will open in March 2025 and prices will be kept the same as announced in November. Here is the video if you're interested to watch. Nothing great in it, just the usual answers to predictable questions.

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