[DIY410]

The base version on BE 6E doesn't get 360 camera, panaromic roof, alloy wheels, ventilated seats, PM 2.5 filter, powered seat height adjustment, wireless charging, Faux leather seats.

It will most likely not have power folding mirrors which is industry standard trend to omit this feature in base variants.

All of those features will come at a minimum 2 to 3 lakh premium, again industry standard trend.

Windsor 38 kWh is still is a better buy for those who drive mainly in city or drive 250 KM one way without charging or stopping for niggles.

The 50 kWh Windsor EV has a NEDC range of 460KM vs the ZS EV 50 kWh which has a NEDC range of 406KM. This is due to less powerfull motor on the Windsor EV and better aerodynamics.

Note: NEDC cycle has only 67% of it's 11 mile test for high speed, average speed in high speed test is 62 km/h (with max speed bursts upto 120 km/h) and low speed test done at average 18 km/h for the remaining 33% of the 11 mile test, combined average is 33.3 km/h.

So the Windsor 50 kWh for sure will have better range than the Creta EV that has a boxy front shape, which is worse than even the ZS EV.

[Ashwathama]

Originally Posted by drsachin

Most companies provide 3kwh portable charger for free with EVs , it's only the higher rating chargers that they don't provide. So I believe it would be same for Mahindra too( Anyway it doesn't cost much). MG is providing 7.5Kw charger only with essence variant.

For the 6e and 9e I have heard you need to buy the charger and pay for installation but what you're saying is actually correct, it is better to get your own electrician to do the job. 7.2kw charger on amazon cost around 25k -30k. Exicom has a great range spin air EV chargers. 35k for 7.2kw, 40k for 11kw and 45k for 22kw. You can find them on amazon.

I have two parkings at my home. Currently, I am getting the MG one installed and I am paying for 15meters of extra cable (10sqmm 3 core cable). Total 25meters. Although, next year I am planning to lay underground cables and install an infrastructure to support two 22kw chargers for future proofing, one in each parking. What I have realised is battery capacities are going to keep on increasing and so will the need for faster chargers. I plan to have two electric vehicles by next year starting with the Windsor whenever it gets delivered.

Originally Posted by DIY410

The base version on BE 6E doesn't get 360 camera, panaromic roof, alloy wheels, ventilated seats, PM 2.5 filter, powered seat height adjustment, wireless charging, Faux leather seats. It will most likely not have power folding mirrors which is industry standard trend to omit this feature in base variants. All of those features will come at a minimum 2 to 3 lakh premium, again industry standard trend.

If this is true then this is a huge bummer to be honest. I am buying the Windsor for my parents who usually do city driving only. A 38kw suffices but a 50kw wouldn't harm.

Originally Posted by DIY410

So the Windsor 50 kWh for sure will have better range than the Creta EV that has a boxy front shape, which is worse than even the ZS EV.

I had read the Windsor 38kw had a higher claimed range in abroad. I though we got a lower claimed range because of the roads. I was expecting the 50kw to be somewhere around 420 to 430kms.

[abburiaditya]

Having completed 2,200 km in my MG Windsor, I am happy with what the experience has been so far. I drive about 100kms a day - 65% ring road (avg speed 100-110kmph) and 35% city. 250-260 kms has been the range I have been getting almost every charge cycle.



This is my first EV and moving from ICE (2017 Creta SX+ petrol), it has been an amazing experience. The comfort level and ease of driving is just awesome.


I have the 7.2KW charger provided by MG, but was unable to install it due to restrictions in our gated community. Currently only have AC slow charging (2.2kW) and it is working out alright. Tried DC fast charging a couple of times and it worked well, charging at 45Kw.



Have had no issues with AC so far. Summer will really tell if the AC is good enough or not. I have not tried the free charging option yet at any of the commercial chargers. The rear suspension could've been a little softer but is not bad at all. The speakers are adequate and provide a good environment.

I changed the air pressure to 33 (was pre filled to 36 during delivery) and it has made a difference to noise and comfort as well. Kids love the rear seat and enjoy the wide glass roof (simple pleasures for them and primary reason for me to go for the top end).


Had the screen freeze on me one time but a quick restart sorted that out. Am impressed with the regular FOTA updates being provided by MG and the iSmart app as well.


I did drive the Punch, Nexon and Curvv (all EV's) and I see a distinct difference in comfort and finish in the car.



My only quib is that Telangana got rid of the road tax exactly a month after the delivery so I could've saved about 2.3L. But like they say, its never really a good time to not do things, so I am quite happy with our purchase when we made it.


6E looks amazing and sometimes makes me feel if I should've waited just for the larger battery pack int he price range, but with Mahindra, you could end up being a beta tester early in their car launches!

[racer-85]

Windsor must introduce its 50 kWh version by March, if not earlier. Currently, over 50% of MG's sales in November are attributed to Windsor.

Source: https://economictimes.indiatimes.com...7.cms?from=mdr

This raises some concerns — once Mahindra begins delivering the twin EVs with their impressive design, features and tech, Windsor’s sales will be impacted (Both are different segments but there will be a section of people opting much cooler & aggressive EV over Windsor). MG would definitely not want its best seller to take a hit (which is contributing more than 50% of its sales - MG's ICE territory is shrinking heavily) & not to mention the upcoming EVX and Creta EV models. Also Tatas are not going to sit silent & let others snatch their territory. They owned this territory till now & would be hungry to get it back. The competition is heating up & MG should launch the 50 kwh variant to hold onto their recently conquered space.

My prediction is that MG will introduce an updated ZS EV with a 60 kWh battery and launch the Windsor 50 kWh variant to prevent the 2 products cannibalizing each other. The challenge lies in timing, as there are over 15k+ bookings already, and they risk disappointing customers who recently purchased the 38 kWh version, potentially feeling undercut.

Personally, I would be waiting for 6 months minimum before I book the Windsor. I think this "Introductory Price" is going to stay as Windsor cannot afford a price hike, it will make it easier for customers to jump to Mahindra. Also since Mahindra is offering lifetime warranty, other manufacturers will also jump in on this "Lifetime warranty" stuff & thus MG cannot afford to withdraw it.

[DIY410]

Originally Posted by Ashwathama

I had read the Windsor 38kw had a higher claimed range in abroad. I though we got a lower claimed range because of the roads. I was expecting the 50kw to be somewhere around 420 to 430kms.

We get higher range in winter compared to China. While they get higher range in summer compared to India.
50 kWh windsor will likely give 400 km in city and about 350 km on highway, it all depends on the cruising speed.

If you drive at 120 km/h cruising speed at a expressway, the Atto 3 with 60 kWh pack won't give more than 300 km range.

Increasing or doubling the battery pack capacity won't give double the range due to the added weight penalty.

[Ashwathama]

Originally Posted by abburiaditya

I drive about 100kms a day - 65% ring road (avg speed 100-110kmph) and 35% city. 250-260 kms has been the range I have been getting almost every charge cycle.

Thank you for this post. Was looking for a user review who has driven around 1-2k kms. Are you getting 250-260kms on eco+ mode or some other mode?

Originally Posted by abburiaditya

Am impressed with the regular FOTA updates being provided by MG and the iSmart app as well.

Can you emphasize on what kind of updates are being pushed? Are these just stability updates or some features are being added?

Originally Posted by racer-85

Also Tatas are not going to sit silent & let others snatch their territory. They owned this territory till now & would be hungry to get it back.

If Tata wants the territory back they have to let go of these minor boardroom updates in response to other car launches like adding a frunk or increasing the battery to 45kw or launching some red and black version. They need to upgrade the Nexon and make it a feature rich vehicle like the Windsor along with ADAS and large battery. Sadly, this is still slated for end of 2025 and that's the only way they get this territory back. Also, tata needs to find a way to reduce manufacturing cost by sourcing parts locally like Mahindra. Ohh and this copy pasting of Nexon everywhere has to really stop. 70% of the Curvv is a Nexon.

Even though I didn't like the look of the E-Vitara I am expecting it to cause some turmoil with the pricing. Maruti just has a unique way with the Indian market and the Indian consumer mindset.

Originally Posted by racer-85

once Mahindra begins delivering the twin EVs with their impressive design, features and tech, Windsor’s sales will be impacted (Both are different segments but there will be a section of people opting much cooler & aggressive EV over Windsor).

Even I felt the same. I think the Mahindra EV's are aimed more towards youngsters and tech enthusiasts who like that sporty feel. The Windsor is more of a feel good family vehicle. I mean just the way is looks reminds me of pac man.Its a just sit and simply drive it type of car.

Originally Posted by racer-85

My prediction is that MG will introduce an updated ZS EV with a 60 kWh battery and launch the Windsor 50 kWh variant to prevent the 2 products cannibalizing each other.

Actually, I feel that MG won't mind if the ZS EV gets cannibalised in India. They already have other markets where they sell the ZS EV and where the Windsor isn't present. I think they will let the Windsor take over for the under 20L category. They announced today that they are brining the MG Cyberster to India in January which will be another EV but in the 50L range. One more vehicle is coming but I forgot the name.

Originally Posted by racer-85

I think this "Introductory Price" is going to stay as Windsor cannot afford a price hike

There won't be any price hike. The top end Nexon sits at 16.2L so if they increase they enter a direct competition. It's just a marketing tactic to instill fear in the consumers. The Curvv also said introductory pricing. After the Mahindra EV's it has no option but to fall by 1-1.5L

[abburiaditya]

Originally Posted by Ashwathama

Thank you for this post. Was looking for a user review who has driven around 1-2k kms. Are you getting 250-260kms on eco+ mode or some other mode?

Can you emphasize on what kind of updates are being pushed? Are these just stability updates or some features are being added?

Normal mode with normal regen 250-260. For pure city driving on Eco/Eco+ mode, I've seen 1 % decline for about 2.8-3.0 kms so am guessing the range is going to be a little higher

Mostly stability updates. No features added so far.

[racer-85]

Originally Posted by Ashwathama

Actually, I feel that MG won't mind if the ZS EV gets cannibalised in India. They already have other markets where they sell the ZS EV and where the Windsor isn't present. I think they will let the Windsor take over for the under 20L category.

I don't think MG will let ZS EV fade away. JSW owns a chunky part of the MG India under JSW-SAIC partnership, so MG wont have their way that easily. Also ZS EV is a really good product. It was the go to EV (till a couple of months ago) for anyone in 20-25L budget with reliability, good range & all the features as well. I don't think MG would let go of a product which has good reputation especially when their ICE portfolio is losing customers left, right & center. They wouldn't dare to ruin a good product. As it is their premium budget EV, they will increase the battery capacity & add some other features to compete in 20 lakh+ segment. They would let Windsor play in 14-18 lakh segment. Probably let Bingo compete in 10-14 lakh segment.

Originally Posted by abburiaditya

Normal mode with normal regen 250-260. For pure city driving on Eco/Eco+ mode, I've seen 1 % decline for about 2.8-3.0 kms so am guessing the range is going to be a little higher

Hi. Have you tried to extract the maximum range from this car?. Like cruising under 80 kmph with max regen & eco+ mode - just trying to extract the maximum range this car can go with mixed ORR & City conditions. Just wanted to know its limit.

[Ashwathama]

Originally Posted by abburiaditya

Normal mode with normal regen 250-260.

250-260 kms on normal mode with normal regen is absolutely fantastic. After multiple test drives i have decided to drive the vehicle in Eco+ with heavy regen. I just love the single pedal driving.

[abburiaditya]

Originally Posted by racer-85

Hi. Have you tried to extract the maximum range from this car?. Like cruising under 80 kmph with max regen & eco+ mode - just trying to extract the maximum range this car can go with mixed ORR & City conditions. Just wanted to know its limit.

I start off with a plan to do this but the moment I get on the ORR, the temptation to just feel the instantaneous torque and accelerate just takes over. I am going to give it a try again one of these days and check.

[abburiaditya]

Originally Posted by Ashwathama

250-260 kms on normal mode with normal regen is absolutely fantastic. After multiple test drives i have decided to drive the vehicle in Eco+ with heavy regen. I just love the single pedal driving.

I do that in the city. Single pedal driving along with auto hold at signals is just bliss

[Ashwathama]

Originally Posted by abburiaditya

I do that in the city. Single pedal driving along with auto hold at signals is just bliss

I had asked this a while ago, does the crawl or creep function work when autohold is on? I have used it multiple times in my test drives to get out of traffic but the MG executive told me it won’t work when autohold is on.

[drsachin]

Windsor EV is a new car and it has to sell well for the company to stay relevant in Indian market. Their production capacities are low at the moment. To optimally utilize capacity any good corporate would like to canablise their low selling product so that they may utilise assembly line for their star product.
The only reason ZS EV is still selling is because of Bigger battery capacity ADAS and discounts.All these can be easily provided by Windsor 50 at a market acceptable price.

ZSW MG must have known by now that Indian market will now only accept BORN EV platform cars so no point continuing with a dud product.

Anyway if Nexon 45/curvv 55 reduces price significantly. Some customer will shift the bus towards them, so no point competing at extremely low margins. Tatas have no product at the moment to compete with Windsor so they will keep on selling at wafer thin margins only. Till they launch something at AVINYA platform
Or market accept new EVs such as harrier or Sierra

After the launch of Mahindra be and xe anyway the ZS EV will loose whatever relevance still left.

[Ashwathama]

The current MG plant has a capacity of 80K units a year which is around 6600 units a month. Of course, there was going to be a whole lot of waiting for the Windsor EV and there will be for times to come until this new plant they are talking about gets made which should be a year or two away.

At this point, my family has decided to drop T.Green model and go with the White if we get one before Dec 10.





By the way, if the memory parking feature comes to the Windsor like the foreign version with 50Kw its going to be a game changer for many and it is way better than Autoparking. Here is a video of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z6WSkzNsgM

[Speedme]

Originally Posted by racer-85

I don't think MG will let ZS EV fade away. JSW owns a chunky part of the MG India under JSW-SAIC partnership, so MG wont have their way that easily. Also ZS EV is a really good product. It was the go to EV (till a couple of months ago) for anyone in 20-25L budget with reliability, good range & all the features as well. I don't think MG would let go of a product which has good reputation especially when their ICE portfolio is losing customers left, right & center. They wouldn't dare to ruin a good product. As it is their premium budget EV, they will increase the battery capacity & add some other features to compete in 20 lakh+ segment. They would let Windsor play in 14-18 lakh segment. Probably let Bingo compete in 10-14 lakh segment.
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With JSW planning to set out on their own and Mr. Sajjan Jindal going ahead making a statement like " Our idea is not to be an outpost of a Chinese company to sell products in India, We want to manufacture the products in India, value-add in India, and sell in India.”

Read more at:https://economictimes.indiatimes.com...6.cms?from=mdr

How will this impact the current equation between JSW and MG and the eventual impact onto the sales and service aspect is yet to be understood. A lot can is left to the imagination of the JSW and MG honeymoon.