[CarCanvas]

Originally Posted by DriveDynasty

Then noise should continue even if we turn off the AC right? I dont think this is battery related, I think it was coming from AC compressor atleast in my case.

I drove Windsor today afternoon in 43 Degree heat and on reaching home after around 28 KMS and on reaching home, I switched off the AC and disembarked the car the heard a sound like AC compressor coming from front part of the car.
It only went away after switching off the car which happens when we lock the car.

To double check, I again went out for 3km trip and same thing happened after I exit the car.

So if it is due to AC compressor, it should go away after switching off the AC, but it does not seem to be the case. So most likely for battery cooling.

[ferrarirules]

Originally Posted by CarCanvas

So most likely for battery cooling.

It is the car trying to keep the battery at correct temperature. This is more evident in EVs as the fan runs much faster than usual at high ambient temperatures.

[Jazzybala]

Originally Posted by shankar.balan

But thermal power is not a good dependency for us to have, from a long term point of view.

As long as this is a net zero emission, it shouldn't be a problem, case in point being biomethane powered thermal power plants.

Originally Posted by guptad42

A 60KW charger with 4 guns active will be just 15KW per car. That's painfully slow on a highway stop/ high volume charging locations. Less than 4KWH delivered in 15 mins.

I meant 60KW chargers with 3 guns and 80KW chargers with 4 guns with dynamic load adjustment so that at least 20KW approx is given per gun at peak rates. This is to avoid the situation below as it may be better to spend an extra 5-10 minutes to juice up to 90% while the other 2 cars get the maximum rates they can absorb.

Premium per minute rates for charging beyond 80% to reduce chances of charge ports being blocked unnecessarily.

The real value of a 150KW DC charger is that it can deliver 37.5KWh in 15 minutes = 280 km of range added (at ~7.5km/KWh), of course only if the battery allows it. 7KW slow AC charging can happen at home/ office/ shopping centers/ hotels etc. and will suffice for >90% of charging needs.

In reality i believe the 150Kw is when working with 750-800VDC architecture. If we look at their current limit, its about 200A DC. So for a 400V architecture these are still limited to 80KW only.

[ram7077]

Originally Posted by CarCanvas

So if it is due to AC compressor, it should go away after switching off the AC, but it does not seem to be the case. So most likely for battery cooling.

Ok this happened to me once after 5-6 days of delivery and I tried turning off the AC and still the sound was there. I checked some online forum only to understand that it is battery cooling in order to take the battery to the correct temperature.

And the AC compressor sound also higher at times once you’re on a long run or on high level of fan. But it goes away when you turn off the AC.

Originally Posted by CarCanvas

Hmmm, seems that there is a issue at the time of regeneration. Is this still happening or it stopped? Better get the car checked at service center.

Checked the issue with the service center and this is their reply

Originally Posted by Turbanator

The reasons of the error here can be most likely attributed to charging glitch (maybe high ambient temperature) or a software error. Can’t be due to motor overheating unless there’s a fault in it. Do update what service centre find something.

So I consulted the service center and they checked by connecting their laptop. They saw an error code of Limp mode activated. They said they couldn’t find why this happened. They told me that they cleared those errors and cleaned something with the accelerator.

[idoctor]

Originally Posted by KI07

For me, the EV experience is going really well, touchwood.
Windsor has been an almost show-stopping thing in my circle, one of the first EV in my knowns, everyone asks a lot, tries to get knowledge of the range, maintenance and are actually taken aback as I serve the stats.

Its been 2 months now since the purchase and I am glad to say that I have lost interest in ICE cars except halo cars like the 911 or the kinds like the M2 Manual.

I am 'almost' never gonna buy an ICE car in the future, EVs are too good to be chauffeured in and for it to be the car driven by multiple people.
As there are minimal mechanicals that could go wrong.

I used to drool over the Octavia, M340i, X7 when I used to spot one on the road, but now I just look at them as a gas-guzzler and I look away as if they are obsolete.

I totally echo your feelings. Land Cruiser Prado used to be my eye candy since childhood, but since I've got to drive and know about EVs, there's definitely no going back to ICE. Desperately waiting to get my hands on the Windsor 50 kWh variant, hope it launches soon!

[shubhank008]

Has anyone completed their 2nd service ?
What was the cost for it and charged items ?

I just sent for 2nd service today and was sent invoice for Rs. 1451 and the primary components in it are listed as:

Parts
2 7000005H Trax Gear 8 75W80
Rs. 875.99

3 WUERTH06 Wuerth MG Special Combo 2 - Mechanical C
Rs. 531.00

Google search shows them as engine and gear oil, but Service Advisor said one of them is lubricant and one of them was (differential ?) oil for the motor

[Formula1Fan]

I just got my 2nd service done only transmission oil (first part) was changed and charged, with GST the bill came to around 900, nothing else was charged or told as mandatory.

[CarCanvas]

Originally Posted by shubhank008

Has anyone completed their 2nd service ?
What was the cost for it and charged items ?

I got my second service done last month and only Reducer Oil was changed as per following invoice:



I believe that MG guys are notorious for jacking up service bills.

[Tankster]

Hello, my fellow castle dwellers . Here are some of my observations I thought I would share after driving 3000 kms on Aries (Windsor).

To get optimal range you essentially need to keep power output below 40kw. How often you can do it depends on the driving style. Coming from a petrol car its not going to be easy, as driver needs to adjust their driving style significantly. It's a learning process. Range of 220 - 230 is low for a car of this size (what I'm getting). But you also have to take into consideration on our driving styles, as for some of us, it's our 1st EV, and there is a learning process. On ECO, ideally you should be getting at least 250 - 280, considering its only 38KWH battery.

I started to have range anxiety as I'm in the same boat as few on this forum, who aren't getting desired range, with their Windsor. Was barely getting 220 on a full charge. Started to worry and took it to the service center claiming faulty battery or motor. The service center tech took me on a test drive for about 230 kms from Bangalore to Mysore, and back, with AC blower speed of max 2. He still had about 20% charge left after. What I learned was, if you blast the AC, and drive like a maniac, you'll not get decent range from your car. Drive in ECO or ECO + on soft peddle, and keep the power delivery from the motor under 40KW, and you'll be fine.

Coming to the negatives, MG really has effed up with some questionable design decisions.

1. The car has wide windows that aren't UV coated. Meaning, you have to choose between the sun and the range.
2. At least in my car, there are too many rattling noises coming from within the cabin. Not from outside, that tells me that there have been some cheap plastics at play here.
3. 38kwh battery is too low. I didn't think it would be a deal breaker, as MG was claiming about 330 range on a single charge, so I should be at least getting 270 - 280. But that clearly isn't the case.
4. Since the car doesn't have ADAS, MG should've at least provided with front parking sensors, for driving in bumper to bumper traffic.
5. Headlight throw isn't good enough, and you'll notice at night.
6. Wireless Apple CarPlay is pure garbage in this car.
7. Suspension is on the stiffer side, and people coming from say a Maruti Suzuki or Tata or even Mahindra cars are not gonna like this one. Especially, on Indian roads with too many pot holes and speed breakers.
8. Road noise is too much inside the cabin, and it can get annoying on long trips.

People who claim they are getting 280 - 300 range, could you please share some details on how your getting there. Thanks

[shubhank008]

Originally Posted by Formula1Fan

I just got my 2nd service done only transmission oil (first part) was changed and charged, with GST the bill came to around 900, nothing else was charged or told as mandatory.

Originally Posted by CarCanvas

I got my second service done last month and only Reducer Oil was changed as per following invoice:

Do you have a Service/AMC package ? Nevertheless, I see that the only paid component for you too was the Trax Gear oil thing like @Formula1Fan said, although EV donot have transmission/gear anyway so that in itself is fishy.
But the SA said its lubricant or whatever.

But yeah, that seems to be the only paid component part of 2nd service and should be around Rs. 900~, as is in my invoice too.

My the SA also included some other oil (mentioned in my initial comment) without telling me its optional and talked to make it sound it was part of the 2nd service, I will complain about it to MG for sure.
Even charged me Rs. 45 for some inner cover protection which I thought was for that disposable seat cover thing they sometimes return the car with, but when I got the car, even that was not there.

Not about money but more so on conceitful actions.

Originally Posted by Tankster

People who claim they are getting 280 - 300 range, could you please share some details on how your getting there. Thanks

Just an FYI, ideally you should try to keep battery output to 25KW~ if you want optimal range, most of the time I get 250-280km range in city in normal and 200-220 on expressway (110kmph speed), 230-250 on highway (80-100kmph speed).

Whenever in doubt about range anxiety, try to drive in Eco mode as it prevents sudden battery output and tries to keep it 15-20kw.
I have driven like 40km in 15% battery multiple times in Eco mode, which is almost close to 3km/% and I know a few people doing 280-300 range in Eco mode in city.


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PS: Has anyone found or done the following yet ?

1. Changed the stock speak system, cause it is simply trash (same with Comet and ZS EV too).
Not an audiophile but I really want to get speakers changed as they are just plain bad.

2. Gotten any non-film solution for the windows against the heat/sun ? I have seen some videos about ceramic-coating-like products you rub/coat on your windows which blocks the UV/heat to some extent without need of a sun-film.
Anyone has any info about it ?

[electric_eel]

Originally Posted by shubhank008

Do you have a Service/AMC package ? Nevertheless, I see that the only paid component for you too was the Trax Gear oil thing like @Formula1Fan said, although EV donot have transmission/gear anyway so that in itself is fishy.
But the SA said its lubricant or whatever.

EV's do have a transmission oil for its under drive/reduction gear. Electric motors have a large operational RPM range and directly connecting the motor to the wheel does not make sense. Very high end cars like Prosche Taycan have dual speed transmission but both of them are under drives in the traditional sense, i.e the motor runs at a faster speed than the wheels.

So changing the transaxele gear oil is not fishy. However, I am surprised that it is done in the second service. For tata evs I think the first change is at 30K Kms.

[Ash_Catchem]

So here is my story. I will try to keep it short.

We never had a car , so splurging 18.5 lakhs (OTR) on a car was a big deal for us. Wanted to gift one to my Dad before he retired (this year)

Researched well about the car and alternatives.
Two major USP -
1. Lifetime Warranty (for me)
2. More width than Innova (for my father).



Local showroom in Deoghar honored my request to bring the Test Vehicle to my door for my parents to look at the vehicle and feel the space




But I was skeptical about the warranty policy of the vehicle as well. So not only I book the vehicle, but I also mailed to MG about the same.

Go here : https://www.reddit.com/r/CarsIndia/c...t=share_button

Also, I asked them to give me the latest VIN no. AND THEY OBLIGED

Booking was done on 6th Feb, and they gave me a report on WhatsApp for 18th Feb that the latest FEB 2025 made vehicle has been dispatched and it will reach the local showroom soon. This communication was done with the Dhanbad Team in Jharkhand, as the service center for Deoghar is there (120kms away).



Since I was still skeptical about the range since I read a lot of people were getting 200 and 250kms on full charge, I contacted the GM Sales in Ranchi to get the vehicle unloaded in his main stockyard in Ranchi, 250kms away, and drive the vehicle to my local showroom. He obliged

26th Feb , I was informed that the vehicle will arrive today. Went to the showroom (Deoghar), waited for a while, and my Windsor arrived. Travelled 256kms and still 11% battery was left. So range issue was certainly not there in the vehicle.



PDI was done exhaustively. Took 4 hours to complete the same as suggested in other forums repeatedly, to check every nook and corner, every function etc. There was one single panel gap, but it was manageable, so I ignored that.



It was MahaShivRatri on 26th, so holidays, still showroom people (both in Deoghar and Dhanbad)managed to do all the paperwork and Temp Reg. and approx. at 5 PM we got the vehicle in our hands. The remaining payment was done after PDI earlier. One thing to note was that they never pressured me to take insurance from them.

I paid for - Vehicle, TR , FastTag and that's it. I only imagine that had it been TATA/ Hyundai, the situation might have been different.

Since it was Mahashivratri, I was not willing to take the steering wheel in my hands owing to the huge crowd on the streets. Didn't want to make any scratches in a new car. So the showroom assigned us their driver to take our car to our home.




Here are some MORE photos of the vehicle






I will not repeat as almost everything has been mentioned in the previous reviews. In short vehicle is very smooth to drive, even if we consider the stiff suspension.

Now, coming to a hiccup.

I was in Dhanbad for accessory installation. For installing rear bull bar my vehicle was lifted up using a Hydraulic lift. After installation, they didn't set down the lift properly, and my vehicle was reversed. Lift was still above the floor level so while reversing, the battery pack and chassis were damaged. A slight dent was made in the battery pack as well. . I was worried since I had read about TATA voiding warranty, citing dents in battery packs and scratches in the outer casing of the battery pack.





I recorded everything and asked for an explanation about warranty issues.

Verbally - No warranty issues, but I asked them to give me this in writing and waited for 2 days. No replies so far. So I wrote to Rajeev Chaba , PULSE MG and OCTILLION as well.

Got a reply from Rajeev Chaba the day after citing my issue and getting things sorted within a few days.



Dhanbad Team also replied that they have arranged a guy from Octillion to check the battery pack. Meanwhile, I was driving my car as usual. I even got a range of 330 driving in ECO+ mode. See the ODO.



Went to Dhanbad SC at the appointed date, Octillion guy checked the HV battery for 3 hours. Checked SoH to be 99.99%. Told me that the outer protective layer was damaged only, and it was nothing to worry about. The battery pack was not damaged, and performance was as expected. No warranty would be void because of this incident.

Day after tomorrow I got a mail from Dhanbad Service Team with a full HV battery report, which included the health of each individual cell as well. (cannot post SS it includes a lot of personal data)
Imagine if it were TATA in place of MG.

MG Customer Support is good.

So far, I have driven 2000 km. Only AC charging so far. Octillion guy's words - let the vehicle rest for 15 mins before DC charging, and after charging as well before driving. This will increase the battery life.

First Post here. Pls ignore the awkward structure I wrote the whole thing in. Will try to bring refinement in my writing further on.

[Voltzzzzz]

Originally Posted by Tankster

People who claim they are getting 280 - 300 range, could you please share some details on how your getting there. Thanks

Just today I drove from Mysore to Hassan. Charged to 100% in Mall of Mysore, drove ~ 10-12 within Mysore and reached hassan with 60% charge left. Covered 120km in 40% charge. Initial days of ownership, I was very conscious about the range. But now I am driving it as I would drive my ICE car (to give you an idea, my Ecosport MT diesel returns ~ 19-20kmpl when I drive on highways). Maybe I am inherently a sedate driver. Speeds were between 60-70km on single lane state highway. Not compromising on overtakes. (Attaching the smart drive figures.)



In the previous charge cycle, when I drove completely within Mysore, I got a range of 275 km (208km using 75%).

I don’t fiddle with drive mode and regen. The car is a pocket dynamite in Normal mode. I enjoy the accelerations more than the straight line speeds. The only thing I am conscious about is that I am a bit defensive and quick to loosen my pressure on the peddle and manage to control the car in regen. Brakes are reserved for the last bite or emergency.

When I drive to Bangalore from Mysore, I usually get a range of 260-270km and while coming back ~ 320-330 (may be due to incline/decline). Speeds are kept between 80 to 100kmph. I don't use cruise control. (Maybe there will be a drastic drop with speeds >100kmph)
Got an average range of 300km on my trip to Goa, covering close to 1400km.

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/trave...karnataka.html (Green Odessey along the coastal Karnataka)

So, already knowing what I was getting into, I am more than happy with the range. I have kept a log of all my charging sessions so far, and consistent range is above 250km. Odo is 7895km now.

Regarding other points

1. Agree with you on glass area. Had to resort to sun films.
2. Headlights aren’t enough. Has anybody upgraded the lights? Especially the high beam. I don’t find any significant improvement in visibility when switching to high beam on highways.
3. Suspension could have been tuned better.
4. CarPlay has been fine. The only issue is when my wife also uses the car. The car sometimes doesn’t start CarPlay, and I have to select my device. This problem doesn’t happen when I pair only my phone with the car and delete my wife’s phone. Once connected, there is no issue later.
5. I don’t expect ADAS at this price point. But definitely front sensors and rear wiper.
6. Poor design of the accessory for keeping Stephny. Takes up too much boot space.

Overall, I am totally happy with this car for city and highway use.

[guptad42]

Originally Posted by guptad42

In the last 6 months since Windsor's India launch, the chinese LFP battery prices have declined further. MG has more margin on the car today.

Cartoq is reporting the Windsor 50 is coming soon. Hope MG fixes the glass area/cooling and suspension issues and keeps aggressive pricing. Windsor is their only volume driver.

Interestingly, the cartoq report uses the word 'outgoing' model for the current 38KWh version. Probably a typo, or do you think MG will remove the 38KWh completely from the Windsor, reserving it for a lower-end smaller MG electric car?

[NotJustAtoB]

Originally Posted by electric_eel

EV's do have a transmission oil for its under drive/reduction gear. Electric motors have a large operational RPM range and directly connecting the motor to the wheel does not make sense. Very high end cars like Prosche Taycan have dual speed transmission but both of them are under drives in the traditional sense, i.e the motor runs at a faster speed than the wheels.

So changing the transaxele gear oil is not fishy. However, I am surprised that it is done in the second service. For tata evs I think the first change is at 30K Kms.

From the owners manual (attached), page 223

Check reducer oil level and add to the standard level as necessary.
First 5K then every 30 K KM/ 2 Years