[sri_tesla]

Originally Posted by Ashwathama

So this happened a few minutes ago. I have heard the charger has to be purchased separately. Now i don’t know if pack 1 or the base variant will be as appealing as the top end Windsor in terms of value for money. Yes, the battery, autopark and other things might be attractive but I am yet to see if it will be a buyable variant.

Windsor and BE 6 are not really comparable other than similarity in size. BE 6 base variant is way superior in terms of EV specs (59 kWh vs 38kWh battery, 170KW vs 100KW motor, 140 kW DC charging speed vs 45KW). Rs 3 lakhs extra is more than worth for all this. Unlike most cars, the base variant of BE 6 is well-equipped feature-wise. Today, they reiterated that they will offer the base variant at the same price as announced.

On the other hand the top end is priced quite steep in my opinion. I would rather go for the more proven BYD Atto 3 at this price.

Again, Atto 3 is not really comparable to BE 6. Atto 3 50 kWh itself costs Rs 25 lakhs while 60 kWh variants cost Rs 30 lakhs. It's just overpriced in India due to import duties while BYD sells even better cars in China for less than half the price. BE 6 top end has much bigger battery (79 kWh vs 49 or 60 kWh on Atto3), more powerful motor and faster DC charging. Feature-wise also, its even more packed than Atto 3 top end that sells for Rs 35 lakhs.

[Voltzzzzz]

Originally Posted by Ashwathama

So this happened a few minutes ago. I have heard the charger has to be purchased separately. Now i don’t know if pack 1 or the base variant will be as appealing as the top end Windsor in terms of value for money.

To an extent the USP of Windsor has also been ease and simplicity in terms of pricing, variants, design and even the drive experience.

There was a lot of fear created in terms of non existent buttons but once you start living with it, we realise how nicely things are integrated. I have now become comfortable with the default Normal drive mode and high regen. AC controlled using steering, Lights on auto mode, ORVMs controlled on steering, 360 camera on steering button. Not having openable sunroof made life simpler having kids in the car but provided the premium.

Pricing was spot on. Three variants covered within 2L spread and reasonable for the size and features the car provided. It even made TATA EVs more affordable.

Originally Posted by CarCanvas

All the windows! 2600 for each window would be too much expensive except if it is some brand like 3M and you are getting fully transparent films with high heat rejection. I got 50% transparency film with 70% heat rejection.

That is a steal. I was expecting prices to be much higher. I should to get the prices checked around here and then will contact you for advise.

[drsachin]

MG has a good product at hand and it's competitive priced too.

They did sell good numbers since launch till December. With this price raise MG is probably testing waters by judging buyers response. I have rarely seen any manufacturer selling such a number even for newly launched cars in the month of December as production is down in December for most manufacturers and even buyers are more interested to push invoicing to new year. But MG used the "Impending price rise" thing pretty well to push December sales. Even after this price rise it still seems competitive and MG must have sensed.

To the buyers who missed " The launch price" must wait now till the end of January/March atleast when things would be more clear. I don't think there would be any more price rise as the competition is increasing specially when battery prices are actually falling unless government reduces subsidies. Remember EVs are perceived like Mobile phones which Devaluates rapidly with every new launch. Have you ever seen a price rise in case of mobile phones.

[drsachin]

Now for MG to survive in this competition they must tighten strings around their dealers who seemed to a be weak link. I engaged with two dealers in Noida and the showroom experience was nowhere near what something Toyota dealers offers.

EVs will sell in great numbers only if buyers develop confidence in after sales and reliability.
Moreover Dealers themselves need to educated about various company policies which seems totally clueless.

Presently they appear to be bunch of third party resellers who are just interested to push sales. Ideally dealers should appear to be an extension of company only.

I would share two examples which suggest great disconnect between dealers and the company.

(A) Booking and allotment process: This thing is totally broken. I first booked Windsor at one of the dealer almost 2 weeks after launch. At that time as per the dealer the official waiting list is already 3months for Essense variant . So he suggested me to book Exclusive or Excite variant that too in white colour for shorter timeline. He promised me delivery within 1 month for both variants. But even waiting for 2 months there was no sight of delivery. Infact the dealer never bothered to even give a courtesy call after booking for two months. Each time when I called he apologized that there is hardly any allotment fir both Exclusive and Essense variant so I may please go ahead and settle for Excite variant which I refused.
When the price raise was announced in first week of December, sensing urgency I booked with the other dealer who again promised delivery within 1 month before price raise.
I kept following with both the dealers, when suddenly the second dealer called me back that they would be able to provide me Essence variant in Green colour as they have been allotted around hundred cars almost all of which are in green colour only. They may invoice the car while it still in transit to escape any price escalation.

(B) Installation confusion. A number of buyers including me have home power rating of 5KW only. And the electricity service provider have not been able to increase the load more than that due to many reasons. It's a big problem in Noida with pre-paid meters. In my case the problem is not just of load rating of 5KW only. I have another problem of basement parking which is almost 100 metres away from electricity meter. So installing 7.5KW charger would require investment of atleast Rs 60000 for cabling alone. But I would be shifting to my new flat in around 8-10 months where both problems would be solved.

With Essence variant I am getting 7.5kw charger which I don't want installation in my present house.

So I suggested to the dealer that I am ready to buy the safety box containing RCBO which is provided with lower exclusive and Excite Variant. They then send two teams from different vendors for the same. Both the teams had different rules of installation. First one said that I have to buy cable on my own , so it's better that I may go ahead and take services of my society electrician for cable installation from the meter to the parking and they will just connect this cable with the safety box. The second team suggested that I have to buy cable from them only if I don't want to void warranty. The cost would be Rs 400 per sq meter for 4 mm 3 core wire.

On checking with the dealer i learnt that the safety box itself cost Rs 15000 ( This safety box is similar to the one provided by Tata costing Rs 6636/ and made by same Legrand company). Later the dealer confirmed that the cost of box is Rs 5500/ only but Rs 15000 includes cost of installation (10 metre wire complementary).

Now since I am not getting the 7.5 kw charger installed at the moment, can't I just use the "free installation" provided for 7.5kw with essence variant to install the safety box only. Anyway i would still have to buy the cable on my own and the installation team just have to connect this cable with the safety box. The sales agent has no clue but after discussing with the CRM he suggested that this thing is not possible and safety box comes with Mandatory installation cost even for new car buyers. But I may use "free installation" within in 1 year as and when I get my 7.5kw charger installed. For this they would write a mail to the company ( MG).

In the mean time, the teams which were tied up by the dealer for installing 7.5 kw charger kept bugging me for installation of 7.5kw charger else they will cancel it. The delayed free installation is not possible as per them.

So now the only option with me is to either go ahead and install just the 15 amp socket switch in the parking using services of my society electrician. Or i may try to procure safety box from the rival Tata , which many MG buyers have done. This option it seems is both cheaper and easier than getting safety box from MG

There are other confusion too
Such as:

3. Confusion regarding free charging offer.
4. Terms and conditions for lifetime warranty.

EV buyers already have so much anxiety about the vehicles themselves. Instead of allaying these fears, more anxiety is created.

[DriveDynasty]

Originally Posted by drsachin

The second team suggested that I have to buy cable from them only if I don't want to void warranty. The cost would be Rs 400 per sq meter for 4 mm 3 core wire.

I experienced the same thing and installed from them just to not void warranty which costed me about 4k more for short distanced wiring. I had offered to bring wire of any specification and any brand by my own but it was rejected in the name of warranty.

Now I have realised it is not necessary. The safety box they install is nothing but a MCB and Surge protector connected to normal 15A plug. One can do proper installation from local eletrician using premium wire, having MCB and suge protectors in a box. or just take a box from amazon like this. Charging with 3.3kw is better on battery health compared to 7.4kw and it charges in reasonable time.

Warranty should not get void as I have seen ton of public slow chargers which are not associated with MG and wont share data, like Bijlify etc (they have 3.3kw 15A plugs as well). One can just say they have open parking so they opted not to install home charger and slow charges at nearby public charger. There is no way MG can discard warranty for slow charging on public chargers for safety concerns.

[bhargav_dave]

Originally Posted by sri_tesla

Windsor and BE 6 are not really comparable other than similarity in size. BE 6 base variant is way superior in terms of EV specs (59 kWh vs 38kWh battery, 170KW vs 100KW motor, 140 kW DC charging speed vs 45KW). Rs 3 lakhs extra is more than worth for all this. Unlike most cars, the base variant of BE 6 is well-equipped feature-wise. Today, they reiterated that they will offer the base variant at the same price as announced.

Again, Atto 3 is not really comparable to BE 6. Atto 3 50 kWh itself costs Rs 25 lakhs while 60 kWh variants cost Rs 30 lakhs. It's just overpriced in India due to import duties while BYD sells even better cars in China for less than half the price. BE 6 top end has much bigger battery (79 kWh vs 49 or 60 kWh on Atto3), more powerful motor and faster DC charging. Feature-wise also, its even more packed than Atto 3 top end that sells for Rs 35 lakhs.

I don’t think we can compare Mahindra’s BE platform with MG Windsor. Windsor firmly sits in the MPV category with oodles of space as a family car. Both BE variants look quite futuristic and will probably serve a different audience (sporty and highly conceptual cars for those who enjoy driving). I thought hard about it before buying the Windsor and I am completely happy. It is not always about specs and bigger battery packs or power but also about the utility and core function of the vehicle. Both BE vehicles have cramped cabins from what I can gather from videos and reviews. I found that disappointing given they are born EV platforms.

Totally agree about Atto. As it is an import vehicle it is overpriced. I guess the BE platform will compete heavily with the likes of Curvv, Nexon and Atto. Hope to see more competition in the Windsor/MPV space.

[drsachin]

Windsor I feel is a very practical car so it has created a space if its own among all cars presently there in the market be it ICE or EV. It's wrong to compare it with Mahindra 6e or 9e which are actually semi luxury/luxury cars available for lesser price than other luxury cars available in the market. Mahindra probably knew it so didn't price ot close to WINDSOR. Actually pricing suggest that Mahindra is attracting buyers from luxury space ( BYD Atto 3, EV6, Ionic ) and not budget buyers. While WINDSOR is attracting buyers from budget space ( 8-15 Lakh). Monthly expenses ( EMI+Fuel) of 8 lakh ICE car is similar to 14 Lakh Windsor for someone driving 1000kms a month.

Ofcourse 50 kw Windsor would be great car. But EVs I feel would remain primarily a city car even if you buy a car with 140kwh DC charging or 79Kw battery Offering 600Kms range for two practical problems.

A) Most mass market EVs will not have more than 50-60km DC charging, so commercial EV installations would not have any incentive to install 140KW DC charging stations for select few niche customers. It will be commercially viable for them only at a high tarrif of Rs 30-50 per KW which will make it as costly as a petrol . Also creating electricity infrastructure for running these 140kw chargers would be difficult or expensive for discoms. Hence we won't see easy availablity of these chargers on a highway. These would be commercially viable only in cities where you may find 140kw DC charging cars. But again most will still not use it on daily basis as they would be as expensive as petrol.

B) To charge these cars with big batteries would be impractical with 15Amp sockets. They would take 24-48hours to full charge. So to full charge you would need 3-4 charging sessions of 8-12 hours. That means you would still be required to charge every 3/4 days the way we would do with a 38 kw Windsor.

The only solution is installing a fast AC charger 7.5 to 11kwh . Now how many of us would be able to increase our power load to 15-20 kwh meters. This also runs risk of increasing electricity expenses as higher load capacity means higher Tarrif per kw.

[AdityaDeane]

Got a chance to test drive and experience the Windsor EV this afternoon, loved the car.

Positives:
* Ample space inside the car for all occupants.
* Big boot space, with the flexibility of reducing or increasing the height of the boot floor.
* Sufficient ground clearance.
* Good power and torque in all modes, even in Eco+ (though the overall feel is lesser compared to the other modes).
* Big cargo area with the 2nd row folded down.
* Good view of the sky from both rows, through the moonroof (or whatever that big glass area is called).
* Nice and big car, not just an electric Jazz sized vehicle, like how it looks from afar.

Negatives:
* Confusing controls for the ORVMs, Cruise Control etc.
* Everything is touchscreen controlled, hence lot of distraction while driving.
* Not a worthy replacement for my Aria, as adults cannot sleep inside with the rear seats folded down, so not camping friendly (maybe just for kids).
* No 12v socket at the rear or middle row for powering a Tyre Inflator etc.
* Range is a little less for the hills, as charging points are far away, compared to the cities, and power consumption is more uphill.
* The Free Charging offers and introductory prices are over, and the dealers are not ready to budget for any form of discounts in Mandi (H.P.).

As a standalone product, I love the car as it has good features from the base model itself. But, it'll take more than the current set of features to convert me from my Aria to a Windsor EV.


The only 12v socket is located below the hand rest, and is rated at a maximum of 120watts.


Sleeping area fit just for kids, at around 5'. Adults may need to use a rooftop tent or camp near the car while camping out in this car.

Just my observations as someone located in a hill station, and who loves to go camping with kids and friends in the summer season. Use cases differ for different people, and no product is perfect, not even my Aria!

[drsachin]

Originally Posted by DriveDynasty

The safety box they install is nothing but a MCB and Surge protector connected to normal 15A plug.
.

Just to correct you sir, safety box installed by them is no ordinary MCB with 15 amp socket.
Safety box installed by MG has RCBO which is combination of RCCB and MCB, plus Surge Protector and EV grade Socket and switch. Not much details is available about EV grade Socket or switch but it may be fire or high temperature resistant socket/switch which is not available in Indian Markets. Remember you are running EV which requires 2-2.5KWh of continuous charging of about 6-8hours.
Safety box by TATA also has RCBO with EV grade Socket/ Switch sometimes with Power Voltage Protector.

Both boxes are prepared by Legrand.

Sometimes back buyers of Citroen EV also received mail by the company to install RCBO with SBD before 15amp sockets for charging.

Well it's not that you can't charge without RCBO but if you are using these safety devices it will protect not just your car but even charger itself.

I would also suggest getting a good insurance with battery addon. Insurance companies such as ICICI Lombard Royal Sundaram DIGIT have dedicated battery related add-on.

I got insurance from Royal Sundaram which has the most detailed write up explaining things which are covered in the battery add-on.

I really don't know if Royal Sundaram has a good insurance payout ratio. But its battery addon is the most comprehensive covering each aspect of Electric vehicle which may involve expensive repairs in the event of non accidental damages.

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[Ashwathama]

Originally Posted by AdityaDeane

* No 12v socket at the rear or middle row for powering a Tyre Inflator etc.

The only 12v socket is located below the hand rest, and is rated at a maximum of 120 watts.

So the car comes bundled with a tyre kit, which consists of a wired tyre inflator and the liquid used during punctures. The inflator can be plugged into a given 12volt socket, and the wire is long enough to fill the air in all tyres (front and back). I personally use a battery-operated inflator. It's just easier and more convenient. My 12 volt socket is plugged with an 80-watt car charger to charge devices like a laptop.

[infy28]

For the folks who have got their deliveries recently if someone can post which brand of stock tyres they are supplying with.

Also, wanted to check with the existing owners, do the rear doors have child lock? And do we have control for passenger window glaas lock, which is there usually on the driver door side panel, when locked no passengers can open the windows from their respective door control? I am not sure what is that feature called. But I belive it's a good safety feature with kids on the rear seats.

[Enthurious]

Originally Posted by Ashwathama

I spent 20K for the ceramic coating and it has 3 year warranty with 2 add on coats. So every 6 months or every year the last coat will be applied as an add on.

This is a steal deal. My dealer quoted 38k with 3 year warranty. I have also enquired with retail stores and they recommended the 3M polymer coating. Its cheaper than ceramic coating. Costs roughly 9k for 1 time application and lasts nearly 2 years. Any advice ?

Can anyone who has opted for wheel arc garnish accessory share their feedback. My dealer has done a very shady job. Just in a few days the accessory came off from both ends. It wasn't glued very well, which was taken care during the first service, however the glue is applied in such a manner that some of it is visible around the edges and it is very much noticable on the black color windsor. Dealer says nothing can be done about it.

Has anyone faced any issue wrt charging at HP echarge(Kazam). During my last visit I tried many times but it wont charge and finally after speaking to their consumer care they told me that HP chargers are not yet compatible with windsor, they haven't updated their software. I wonder if this is just one HP charging station case or it is across all of them. This station was on Mumbai - Nashik highway. On Ehub app it showed available and free charging for Windsor.

Android connectivity is a big let down. I have to everytime manually connect it and even then it wont connect immediately. Service centre guys tried to reset it but the problem remains.

[Ashwathama]

Originally Posted by infy28

For the folks who have got their deliveries recently if someone can post which brand of stock tyres they are supplying with.

I got CEAT tyres. However, some people had posted that they got Goodyear tyres which were also given to the reviewers. I think the Goodyear tyres are the better ones although I have had no problems with the CEAT ones.

Originally Posted by infy28

Also, wanted to check with the existing owners, do the rear doors have child lock? And do we have control for passenger window glaas lock

Yes, the rear doors have child lock which can be activated from the settings menu on the screen. You can also open the quick settings panel on the screen and turn on the window lock. After that only the driver can control the windows.

Originally Posted by Enthurious

This is a steal deal. My dealer quoted 38k with 3 year warranty.

Download the GoMechanic app and check there. At my pincode they giving the 3M ceramic coating for 1 year, 3 years and 5 years at 15K, 17.5K and 20K respectively. It's quite reliable also and rates are also good.

Originally Posted by Enthurious

Can anyone who has opted for wheel arc garnish accessory share their feedback. My dealer has done a very shady job.

I also opted for the wheel arch cladding. I haven't faced any issues, but I have just spent about 11 days with the car. So too early to comment. The car has been washed 3 times in these 11 days but no glue has come out. The accessories have a one year/20k kms warranty. You can pursue the dealer for it or just call pulsehub and talk to them regarding this. Tell them you got an accessory installed but it wasn't done properly and now it has compromised the looks of the car and has hampered the paint.

[stak321]

Has anyone bought floormat/footmat for Windsor EV from online or auto shop , if yes advise if they are they better than company provided footmat and the price paid.

[drsachin]

Mine is WINDSOR essence Green colour.
It came with Goodyear.

I have just driven around just 100kms till now.
Charger installation is yet to be done.

2nd car in the house Toyota Hyryder V- Hybrid

Issues I have faced so far.

1. Android connectivity is definitely a pain.

2. I am yet to fingure out how to do google " Voice search". Voice search does searching within apps loaded by MG but not within Android Auto. In hyryder there are dedicated voice search in steering for both kind of voice search both google and car voice search functions. I asked the same from sales executive and he was clueless.

Now how will I do android auto voice search for functions such as navigation and changing audio tracks.

3. Learning functions in this car is akin to learning a smartphone with new operating system. Too overwhelming, will take sometime getting used to it. Definitely not friendly to those who are slow learners.

4. Programmable steering control is good but I not happy that it’s overlapped on cruise control. I use crise control every day even with moderate traffic in city limits at speeds more than 30kms/hour in my hyryder. It makes driving so much relaxing and improves fuel efficiency too. But with Windsor I will be mindful if its actually controlling cruise control or some other functions.

5. Suspension is indeed weird. Coming from hyryder which has brilliant suspension tune. This one actually seems non existent. All Speed breakers and bumps felt even to the driver. Would be worse on rear seat. Will recheck after reducing tyre pressures.

6. Yet to figure out how to switch off car when you are outside and close to the car. You switch off car by pressing door close button on remote but it switches on again shortly. It seems car doesn't like your presence close to it with remote within your pockets.

7. If doors are open for a long time while removing stuff from your car/boot the car keeps giving beeps similar to my samsung refrigerator and again all functions including headlights stays on wasting energy.

8. Took a long time to activate free charging offer. The issue was ismart app which was not getting my Windsor registered.

May be these are problems of initial learning phase.

Now I own both strong hybrid and a proper EV will soon post a detailed comparison