[Comrade]

Originally Posted by shubhank008

6.Free Public Charging is not just for MG Chargers but almost ALL Well Known charging stations, including ChargeZone, Fortrum, MG and even TATA, this was confirmed by the dealership Senior Sales Manager that MG has tied up with every major charging station and everything will be handled by their own app now, no different apps/accounts needed.

Proof is in the pudding. Today anyone can download the MG eHub app on their mobile and check which networks are available for payment on the MG app. 'Available for payment' means that you can initiate charging directly from the MG app and thereby claim free charging benefit on their Windsor. The number of CPOs enabled for payment on MG eHub is not very encouraging at the moment.

I am not saying MG can't or won't onboard more networks. It could be simple as every CPO basically relies on the standard OCPP protocol. But please do not believe everything that these stealerships say. They are as much in the dark as us. If anything, Team-BHP get more insider information than these dealers!

[ottocycle]

Range test from Gaadiwadi. They managed to get 320+ km from 100% to 0%.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v946eL6mWXc

[SakJel]

Hello,

I want to see someone testing this car purely on highway(exprewaway), at normal speed of 80-100 km/hrs, not at these gimmicky 50-60 km/hrs, then we can know the real range on highways. If someone finds such video then do share.

Cheers

[DIY410]

Originally Posted by SakJel

Hello,

I want to see someone testing this car purely on highway(exprewaway), at normal speed of 80-100 km/hrs, not at these gimmicky 50-60 km/hrs, then we can know the real range on highways. If someone finds such video then do share.

Cheers

When you get a chance to test drive on a flat road at 80 km/hr cruise speed note down the battery volt and Amp draw. Now multiply Volt X Amp to get Watt divide by 1000 you get kilo Watt and if you extrapolate for 1 hour it becomes kWh. Do the same at 100 km/hr or what ever speed you want.

[shubhank008]

Originally Posted by Comrade

Proof is in the pudding. Today anyone can download the MG eHub app on their mobile and check which networks are available for payment on the MG app. 'Available for payment' means that you can initiate charging directly from the MG app and thereby claim free charging benefit on their Windsor. The number of CPOs enabled for payment on MG eHub is not very encouraging at the moment.

I am not saying MG can't or won't onboard more networks. It could be simple as every CPO basically relies on the standard OCPP protocol. But please do not believe everything that these stealerships say. They are as much in the dark as us. If anything, Team-BHP get more insider information than these dealers!

I agree as well, thats why pushed to match all details on paper/T&C but they said MG has stated to provide all exact details and fine prints on October 2 itself. So fingers crossed.

Have held off booking till 2nd October till I get the fine print/test drive as well.

Funnily enough, the sales manager kind of said something to the tunes of 'MG hastily launched the car and opened bookings, without providing all the details and now planning it'

[Comrade]

Originally Posted by SakJel

Hello,

I want to see someone testing this car purely on highway(exprewaway), at normal speed of 80-100 km/hrs, not at these gimmicky 50-60 km/hrs, then we can know the real range on highways. If someone finds such video then do share.

Cheers

Here you go.

https://youtu.be/NVCabs0DsdY?si=LnlVC_fImxrttbp-

[antz.bin]

I watched this video and the person drove mostly with Cruise Control set at 80 in Eco+ mode.

https://youtu.be/O2CUr3WU-VE?si=qs5rczlGj46wjptM

He managed to go 286km in 98% battery usage. The performance drop and AC cut off happened only when the last 5% was remaining. This is within ~10ish % of the quoted range. MG range numbers have always been closer to observed range when compared to Tata. ARAI rating for ZS EV and Nexon LR is extremely close but observed range is substantially better on the ZS.

The observed range on the Windsor is about the same as a Nexon.EV 40.5 kWh.

But now with the Nexon.EV 45 kWh launch today, the game has moved forward.
Come on MG! You have the goods to overcome this one!

[guptad42]

Originally Posted by shubhank008

Visited Delhi (Patparganj)

5. For VidyuTech, think of it as taking a OD of 3.5L @9% interest.
You pay for what you use, but interest still keeps piling up for principal amount which eventually needs to be cleared at end of 8 years or when you want to sell the car or anything. Good for low usage, but interest accumulating can be a gamechanger, needs to be calculated to draw some examples.

This could become a debt trap scandal, damaging MG's reputation as buyers on the Vidyutech plan finally pay for the full battery (at the time of selling their cars or after completing the 8-year loan term). High usage private vehicle customers may prefer the Bajaj fixed EMI plan (if they take BaaS at all). For low running customers, the Vidyutech no minimum billing can look attractive, but it can also lead to a situation that the monthly payment does not even cover the interest amount!

For 3.5Lacs, monthly interest at 9% comes to Rs 2,625/- whereas someone running 500km at Rs3.50 per km will pay Rs 1,750/- only. This gap gets bigger every month with interest. The entire 3.5L principal remains outstanding, the accumulation of interest on interest will create dues of approx. Rs 4.7Lacs to be cleared in one go at the end of year 8!

This bullet payment is in addition to the 1.68Lacs paid in monthly fee over 8 years. In total, the person ends up paying about 6.4Lacs for the battery.

MG/Vidyutech should make a full disclosure with 2-3 scenarios showing how the monthly usage will affect the outstanding amount, with at least one scenario for a low usage 400-500km per month kind of customer.

[GoBabyGo]

Hi, while the full details will come to MG showroom on 3rd October, 2024 regarding BaaS rental programme, my calculation is given in attached image.

The only thing I would like to understand, once the details are available with MG dealership, can a person pay full amount of the Windsor and take loan on battery only eg I can buy Essence variant by paying Rs.1199800/- and pay Rs.5250/- for the next 8 years for the battery or I will have to take loan on both battery as well as rest of the Windsor EV.

There should be an option for those who have taken loan on battery to repay the balance whenever they want to sell it.

[Vikram9193]

A question for the highway-experienced EV users:

Our forum member @AlphaKiloPapa had in another thread reported low-140s wh/km in his 30kwh Nexon at a steady 85-87 kmph cruise. In his experience, for his car, we can assume 150 kWh/km @ 90 kmph, on the safer side.

Originally Posted by AlphaKiloPapa

I have traveled on the Mumbai Pune expressway a few times and on a cruise control of 85-87 km/h, the average consumption is around 140-142 Wh/km with AC on excluding the ghat section.

Looking at all the range test videos, is it fair to hope for 140-145 wh/km @ 90 kmph cruise for this car and a similar number for the facelifted Nexon LR?

Assuming useable battery capacity of about 37 kWh for this car and 43 kWh for new Nexon announced yesterday, and plugging in a 140 wh/km consumption, I’m getting a 90 kmph cruise range of 264 km for the Windsor and 307 km for the Nexon 45.

Some notes:
“DDS” has a range test video for the Nexon facelift where he claims to drive at 85 kmph (speedo indicated) and ends up with an estimated range of 350km. That by my calculation is a very low sounding ~110 wh/km. Not happening, right?

“DDS” in his range test video for the Windsor seems to be getting - as far as I can tell- around 125 wh/km at 82 km (speedo indicated) (I calculated 37000 wh/292 km). Does that seem feasible? Too low again?

[AlphaKiloPapa]

Originally Posted by Vikram9193

Looking at all the range test videos, is it fair to hope for 140-145 wh/km @ 90 kmph cruise for this car and a similar number for the facelifted Nexon LR?

Assuming useable battery capacity of about 37 kWh for this car and 43 kWh for new Nexon announced yesterday, and plugging in a 140 wh/km consumption, I’m getting a 90 kmph cruise range of 264 km for the Windsor and 307 km for the

Hi ! On the return journey I could not check the exact consumption as it was raining cats and dogs that day. But in my experience you can always expect a consumption of around 140-150 wh/km if cruising at 90 kmph.

I would like to attach the trip meter of a mahabaleshwar trip I did last year. Most of the highway cruising (Mumbai Pune Expressway and then NH48) was between 80-90 kmph. Going uphill, I got an average consumption of 154. On the return journey, it dropped to 114(it was around 105, but thanks to mumbai traffic it became 114). Overall trip avg was 135 wh/km with AC on 90% of the time.







So that's why I can confidently say that the consumption would be max 150 wh/km on the safer side if we don't consider the elevation gain. Ideally, it would be around 140-145. Considering that the new generations are more efficient, I think you should be getting around 7km per kWh (avg of 142 wh/km), and should be able to get around 300-325 km of range in the Nexon.ev 45 while cruising at 90kph.

The MG Windsor EV appears to to be even more efficient aerodynamically and it is based on a pure EV platform. So the battery consumption should be even lower, and you would easily achieve more than 7 km per kWh, maybe around 7.5, and that would mean anywhere between 260-280 km of range if cruising at 90 kmph.

There is a channel named 'noise faktory' on youtube who have done a lot of long trips in the Nexon EV in the past 3-4 years and they have been checking out the range of different EV's in between. I have been following their channel for quite some time. In their video they were able to achieve a range of 314 km in the Windsor EV while cruising at around 90kmph. Attaching their video for your reference:

https://youtu.be/NVCabs0DsdY?feature=shared

EDIT:
The uphill drive includes two ghat sections - one on the MPE and the other one nearing Mahabaleshwar. Also, the average includes local driving in Mahabaleshwar with a lot of idling with AC on, and while returning, it took me almost 1.5 hours to cover last 12km of my journey to my residence in Mumbai. Else the average consumption would be close to 125 wh/km. So definitely safe to say that I can achieve a range of 200+ in my Nexon, and the facelifted 45 kWh version should easily return 1.5x of this, i.e. 300+ range while cruising @90 kmph. Windsor should be able to achieve more than 90% of this range (270+) despite having a battery which is 84.4% of the Nexon.ev 45.

[Vikram9193]

Originally Posted by AlphaKiloPapa

There is a channel named 'noise faktory' on Youtube who have done a lot of long trips in the Nexon EV in the past 3-4 years and they have been checking out the range of different EV's in between. I have been following their channel for quite some time. In their video they were able to achieve a range of 314 km in the Windsor EV while cruising at around 90kmph.[/url]

Thanks for your valuable real world observations! As for Noise Faktory, I also watch their videos. This time their Google Maps expected travel time was 3:30, and they took about ten minutes more than that. In my highway experience, which is mostly limited to my regular Delhi-Dehradun drive, I get this type of result only if I limit myself to 80-85 kmph tops. The taxis limited to 80 kmph also end up with a similar result at least on the Delhi-Dehradun stretch. Whereas in my normal style of driving ICE, I end up about half an hour quicker than Google Maps, without crossing 100 kmph except for brief stretches, and only by 3-4 kmph, if you go by the GPS number. So if they can get 314 driving a bit slower than Google Maps, I am trying to figure out what I will get if I drive a bit faster than the same.

Note: they mention diversions in Agra but at 12:01, before the diversions started, they had an ETA of 12:30. And they started at 8:30. Assuming that their highway break was 20 minutes, it works out to 3:40 driving time not counting time lost to diversions. He also says it took 3:40

[antz.bin]

Originally Posted by guptad42

For 3.5Lacs, monthly interest at 9% comes to Rs 2,2625/- whereas someone running 500km at Rs3.50 per km will pay Rs 1,750/- only.

Minor correction: 9%PA of 3.5 lakh is ₹2,625/month.

₹2625 / ₹3.5/km = 750km

If your running is less than 750km / month, Please don't buy a Windsor EV on Vidyut BaaS. You will only be serving the interest on your OD loan. The only thing you will pay is the interest. The outstanding amount will remain as is for as long as you keep the car.

Vidyut (and MG) should at least keep the minimum of 750km payment mandatory so as to avoid a debt trap situation.

[AlphaKiloPapa]

Originally Posted by Vikram9193

So if they can get 314 driving a bit slower than Google Maps, I am trying to figure out what I will get if I drive a bit faster than the same.

With reference to my travelouge, I had covered around 143 km in a total of 2 hours with an average speed of 76 kmph. This was without cruise control and top speed was around 110kmph(My car's range deteriorates heavily past 90-95 kmph) with the speedometer touching triple digits frequently. Even in this case I got a consumption of 163 wh/km (143 km in 77% SoC) and a range of around 185 km.

If you are not exceeding the speed of 100 kmph, as per your style of driving you should get a range of at least 250kms in the Windsor and 275kms in Nexon.ev 45. That is the least you can expect. (Please do consider elevation in mind, since you are driving frequently between Delhi-Dehradun)

Also, steady speed driving gives brilliant results in EV's and its only past 90 kmph that the range starts dropping seriously in my car. There is hardly a difference of 10-15% in the range when driving steadily at 70 kmph and at 90 kmph.

[Vikram9193]

Originally Posted by AlphaKiloPapa

Even in this case I got a consumption of 163 wh/km (143 km in 77% SoC) and a range of around 185 km.

If you are not exceeding the speed of 100 kmph, as per your style of driving you should get a range of at least 250kms in the Windsor and 275kms in Nexon.ev 45. That is the least you can expect. (Please do consider elevation in mind, since you are driving frequently between Delhi-Dehradun)

Also, steady speed driving gives brilliant results in EV's and its only past 90 kmph that the range starts dropping seriously

Thanks, this is exactly what I was hoping for. You are right, the elevation does result in a 1 kmpl difference in ICE fuel efficiency. It seems like with a slightly slower than usual (for me) driving style I could just about manage the trip even if am not able to charge because of a power cut (common in UP). Of course, a 50 kWh pack would banish these anxieties. Cheers.