[Rohitthebest]

Originally Posted by beemer5499

Apparently, Anil Ambani has also bought a BYD Seal Premium variant and he was earlier seen in an Ioniq 5, so it seems he is an EV convert or maybe due to lower running costs

I wish BYD had offered a few more features given its price in India compared to the price in China.

Features like frameless doors, a proper panoramic sunroof which is openable, front massage seats, UV cut window glasses, a space saver tire, cooled glovebox, a sunglass holder, laser headlights, a Vehicle to Load (VTL) socket inside the car like the Ioniq 5, better regen, one pedal driving mode, a driving mode which allows instant acceleration like launch mode or race mode, a magnetic phone dock like Ioniq 5, puddle lamps on ORVMs and door handles, 3 zone climate control, a hatchback/notchback like boot opening like the BMW i4, rear window sunshades or privacy glass for the rear, more interior colour options like abroad, zero gravity seats or adjustable thigh support for front seats, a physical switch on the steering wheel to change driving modes, 4 parking sensors front & back, rear seat entertainment, electronic steering adjust, rooftop AC vents for front passengers (idea because of the present Delhi heat).

This would make the car complete.

That is one astonishing list of creature comforts and functions. I believe they will use few of the above every time they launch a so called "Face Lift" for next few years.
After going through your "few more features" I will go back to BYD Seal's review to check what it has on offer as of now

[handsofsteel]

Originally Posted by beemer5499

Features like frameless doors, a proper panoramic sunroof which is openable, front massage seats, UV cut window glasses, a space saver tire, cooled glovebox, a sunglass holder, laser headlights, a Vehicle to Load (VTL) socket inside the car like the Ioniq 5, better regen, one pedal driving mode, a driving mode which allows instant acceleration like launch mode or race mode, a magnetic phone dock like Ioniq 5, puddle lamps on ORVMs and door handles, 3 zone climate control, a hatchback/notchback like boot opening like the BMW i4, rear window sunshades or privacy glass for the rear, more interior colour options like abroad, zero gravity seats or adjustable thigh support for front seats, a physical switch on the steering wheel to change driving modes, 4 parking sensors front & back, rear seat entertainment, electronic steering adjust, rooftop AC vents for front passengers (idea because of the present Delhi heat).

Seeing this list, I can't help but wonder, does the car have anything as of now?

On a serious note, is there any 'complete' car?

[wheeledwanderer]

As it is relatively a new car, it’s too early to jump into a buying decision as BYD in the past is plagued with quality issues & battery catching fire!

Just put my money into Model Y after speaking to existing owners who have been behind the wheels for about 2+years.

[newenergy]

Originally Posted by wheeledwanderer

As it is relatively a new car, it’s too early to jump into a buying decision as BYD in the past is plagued with quality issues & battery catching fire!

Just put my money into Model Y after speaking to existing owners who have been behind the wheels for about 2+years.

Surely they had issues but they are miles ahead now. The problems reported were mostly from PHEVs and very few reported on e-Platform 3.0 products till now.

You need to experience SEAL and Atto 3 in person. Everything you touch is of extremely high quality sometimes beating German trio (not talking about ultra-luxury models).

SEAL at the current price is a STEAL deal.

Now coming to Model Y, they are the benchmark on the software side, but the rest is not so much. They are known for fit and finish issues. Also, it will surely cost a hell lot more when it arrives (if at all?).

[Harsha89]

Originally Posted by wheeledwanderer

Just put my money into Model Y after speaking to existing owners who have been behind the wheels for about 2+years.

Model Y has its own share of “Tesla Problems” like poor build quality especially leather quality in the steering wheel and seats. I guess each has its merits & demerits.

[wheeledwanderer]

Thanks, indeed, every other company had issues including the Toyota! Time will tell where BYD will go, keeping an eye on the forum for next years!

[volkman10]

BYD Seal, mega delivery event:

In the remarkable event witnessed on May 26th, 200 BYD SEALs were delivered in a single day. The celebratory handover ceremony took place in multiple cities, including Delhi NCR, Mumbai, Bengaluru, Chennai, Hyderabad, Kochi, and others. The smiles and pride on the faces of our newest members made the event memorable.

[ninjatalli]

Originally Posted by volkman10

BYD Seal, mega delivery event:

BYD has about 24 dealers across the country. The marketing pieces in this talk about metros and ‘other cities’ so if we assume 20 dealers did the delivery on that day, we are talking about on an average of 10 cars per dealership.


I would also assume the delivery of BYD Seals prior to that date would have been put on hold and all planned for that day. So honestly no big of a deal. Just a run of the mill marketing event.

[navin_v8]

The dragon is here and how. Most of the Chinese products have been disruptive in markets world over. First it was their smart phones and now EV's. I cannot imagine the price of BYD's if they come in as CKD's and get assembled here. They will for sure our local manufacturers a run for their money.

The World can blame and curse China as much as they want to, but the fact remains that they have mastered Economies of Scale, Supply Chain, R&D, etc. while being at the forefront of innovation with years of hard work and resilience. People might accuse them of copying and plagiarizing while also making poor quality products. Remember, the same people had also called Japan and Korea names like these before. The fear of Chinese EV's in First World countries like the USA and even parts of Europe are felt. It seems China has caught the first world by surprise with their EV's. The effect is so serious that USA in essence has banned Chinese EV's or increased tariffs to discourage their sales, shows their desperation. Imagine if this is happening to the First World then what would happen to a country like India where buyers have been deprived of good cars both domestically (low quality with substandard features at a high price) and internationally (premium pricing due to brand, import cost, etc.)

I want the BYD Seal to succeed both in India and abroad while hammering sense into high nosed American and European manufacturers to either fly or die. Same goes for domestic manufacturers who have been very lazy in provided up to date good quality cars for the deprived buyer.

My use case for the BYD Seal is that if I am getting a full sized EV with a 500 KM range with amazing up to date features and equipment coupled with euro spec build quality or even better quality then there is nothing to complain. Also BYD as a brand is solid in EV market and have been market leaders in their home country as well as the World. Given the response I am sure they will manage to open more dealerships which will also cover after sales service.

On a lighter note, imagine BYD is Daenerys and the Seal is her Drogon. BYD's says "dracarys" to Seal against the overpriced luxury cars and EV's alike .

P.S. In my close to 20 years of driving I have seldom comes across cars like the BYD Seal that offer true bang for buck. My first car was the Opel Astra 1.6 Petrol, it came with Double Wishbone front suspension and multi-link rear suspension with gas dampers, that car had an amazing ride quality. The body panel gaps were consistent and every part wreaked of quality. Used it for close to 8 years before trading it for the Mitsubishi Lancer (Limited Edition). That car came with multi-link rear suspension and an amazing front suspension. It was a little stiff at low speeds but at mid and high speeds was like magic carpet. Most parts were Made in Japan and I am still driving it which is a testimony to the quality of parts and the overall car. While in the market for a new car today, I don't see much sedans. Even if they are, most come with the ubiquitous torsion/twist beam rear suspension with cost as much as 30 lakhs. Ditto for crossovers. This is true for both domestic and foreign manufacturers. I may sound borderline frustrated but there have been no hopes from domestic as well as foreign manufacturers to address lack of options for enthusiasts like me and many others. BYD Seal looks very promising to potential buyers like me and others. Well done BYD

[parambyte]

Checked out the Byd Seal yesterday. If I had the spare money today, I would buy without a blink. It’s a fantastic package. A very well finished car, great specs, plenty of space inside. reassuring thuds while closing doors, looks like a solid build quality, all at a great price. Really wanted to take it on a long highway drive through winding roads.

This is the sporty sedan I always wanted (though a tad too long a car). A no brainer.

Hope Byd launches the Shark in India.

And yes as Navin_v8 mentions, the current crop of cars being sold in India are so dull and uninspired. The Byd Seal seems like a breath of fresh air. A relief from the boredom of an endless list of absolutely dullest of cars around.

[evolvo]

Originally Posted by navin_v8

The fear of Chinese EV's in First World countries like the USA and even parts of Europe are felt. It seems China has caught the first world by surprise with their EV's. The effect is so serious that USA in essence has banned Chinese EV's or increased tariffs to discourage their sales, shows their desperation.

Absolutely.

Electric cars are the future, and it is inevitable that the whole world moves to Electric.

Tesla showed the way, and China was quick to latch on to this trend. It made huge bets and investments in the full supply chain, right from raw material sourcing, mandating EV taxis, incentivising EV companies and setting up a robust charging infra nationwide. This resulted in an early mover advantage, which when combined with efficiencies of scale, government support and manufacturing prowess, helped position China as a dominant player in the EV market for the foreseeable future.

So in a way, they rightfully deserve this success.

The US, European and Japanese carmakers have simply had it too easy for too long, and were complacent. They’re dependent on China for batteries, are still non-committal and generally tone deaf to the new reality. It is just now dawning on them that they have missed the boat and hence the panic. Like Musk said, most of these brands would be obliterated if not for the govt support in the form of import sanctions and domestic subsidies.

Originally Posted by navin_v8

Imagine if this is happening to the First World then what would happen to a country like India where buyers have been deprived of good cars both domestically (low quality with substandard features at a high price) and internationally (premium pricing due to brand, import cost, etc.)

The middle class Indian consumer have always had to put up with low quality local products (with subpar features and safety). While this has changed in recent times, the costs have increased substantially for what is effectively still a sub-par product (AMT, three cylinder engines and other garbage).

Electrics are the way to go, but they are currently not good value for money. With upto 50% markup from their ICE counterparts they simply offer bad value. In recent times, the battery prices worldwide have come down but the local players have not passed on the cost benefits. Instead they are adamant and greedy due to virtually no competition. This has to change.

Originally Posted by navin_v8

I want the BYD Seal to succeed both in India and abroad while hammering sense into high nosed American and European manufacturers to either fly or die. Same goes for domestic manufacturers who have been very lazy in provided up to date good quality cars for the deprived buyer.

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BYD Seal looks very promising to potential buyers like me and others. Well done BYD

And hence I too heartfully wish the BYD Seal and other similar VFM cars to succeed in order to disrupt the world markets and knock some sense into these local, western and Japanese players.

BYD Seal is a great car which I will not buy (as I continue to wait for Tesla). However I am happy it exists, as it sets the benchmark for a great car with terrific value.

[FAIAAA]

Test drove the BYD Seal today at PPS BYD in Bangalore and to sum up my experience in two words - "blown away"!
First the positives -
1. Explosive performance, was doing silly speeds in a matter of seconds. Found the throttle response to be great in all modes
2. Great steering feedback.
3. Soft suspension (also a con) and good low speed ride quality
4. Sports coupe exterior design and interior feel
5. High quality interiors and comprehensive feature set
6. Ergonomics were spot on ( I am nearly 5'11") and I was comfortable in 30 seconds.
Now the negatives -
1. Low GC, the soft suspension caves further on full load resulting in frequent scrapes on speed breakers. You need to go very slow and diagonally on speed breakers, over potholes etc.
2. Soft suspension also means a lot of pitching and body roll. With that brute performance, it was a roller coaster side for the rear passengers who gave it a thumbs down.
3. The panoramic roof causes glass house effect and hence AC performance was blunted. The cabin was not cooled well enough and rear passengers were unhappy. The SA did mention they provide a hard cover to be placed below the glass roof.
4. Everything is on the touchscreen including AC vents - I really missed physical buttons.

In summary, this is a fantastic proposition. Range on the mid and top trim is impressive.

If I were largely doing intra city or inter city trips on smooth roads and highways, I would buy this car in a heart beat.
However, bulk of my 15k kms/ year / car is cross country touring and hence will look at something else.

[ajmat]

Originally Posted by FAIAAA

T The SA did mention they provide a hard cover to be placed below the glass roof.
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During our test, the hard cover fell on to our heads while driving

[Harsha89]

Originally Posted by ajmat

During our test, the hard cover fell on to our heads while driving

A proper branded Sun film will take care of light transmission and heating of cabin negating the need for such covers

[SRTPorsche]

I am considering getting this car as a personal daily driver in Bengaluru, with occasional drives to Hyderabad (~680 km). I have a solar setup at home, so charging is almost free for me, which also shortens the time needed to recoup the cost of the solar system.

I am surprised that almost every review mentions the low ground clearance. I have never seen anyone mention this so strongly about cars like the M340i and other comparable performance cars, some of which have even lower ground clearance.

Is this because Seal doesn't have any other major drawbacks? None mentioned the lack of connected car tech in India, delay in OTA updates, etc. It almost feels like reviews are just reiterating the same 10 points everywhere.