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Originally Posted by astrodex
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It is hard finding a replacement for Brio, which I lovingly call an autorickshaw since it is so short it can squeeze in any parking lot while the width make it large inside though with zero luggage space. |
Well I call my Brio an autorickshaw too, for it's astounding ability to park anywhere ! There are almost no alternatives.
Consider perhaps :
> Ignis (the automatic variants do not have seat height adjust)
> the Nissan Micra maybe ?
> the ill-fated last Santro. That had a better AMT than Marutis, and good space too. Performance is not a patch on the Brio though!
> another Jimny :D
Do let us know what you decide !
I can't think about a single car today in our market that would replace our little Brio in what it does best - Fun to drive, reliable, great handling, dead simple to park. I have one myself and I'm planning to give it a full suspension, AC compressor & cooling coil replacement, a full body rust repair (Chennai gripes) and a fresh coat of paint, bigger alloys and tyres, similar to that of this concept Brio.

This car is meant strictly as a daily commute vehicle. Considering ev, as my Jeep crossed 50000 km in just 2 years. I am confused between Punch ev adventure Long Range and New Mg Windsor base variant. Visited Tata showrooms twice, very lukewarm response. Also horrifying stories about them. Please advise me to make a wise decision.
I am a Hyundai Kona EV owner and am extremely happy with it. But sadly, this is discontinued. It is very well put together, offers excellent comfort and value and after all, was built for Europe and hence feels absolutely solid. Ive owned it 9 months and love it to bits.
There is an article on Cartoq which says that MG Windsor is coming along with a nice new bigger battery which will increase its range. It is a fantastically comfortable (Club Class) vehicle and perfect for families. Well put together. But I would buy only the top most variant.
I would not go near Tata EV - because as Ive written elsewhere, basis my repeated, successive experiences at their showrooms; they just do not seem interested in the walk-in customers, prospects and if their sales attitude itself is this lackadaisical and disinterested, then I shudder to think of the treatment we will get when going for servicing. So, much as I like the look of their designs and all, Im not going back there.
I would however, definitely consider MG because there is such a huge difference in their attitude and because their product is extremely well put together. Having used many many BluSmart ZS EVs and test driven them and their Comet etc, I actually like and appreciate what MG has done in India. And the BlueSmart Cab chaps all speak well of the Service. That counts for a lot.
The Kia EV6 AWD is fabulous. And right now they are selling at a fantastic 20 lacs off from all accounts. Delicious car. Porsche Taycan looks and nearly as good performance, at a fraction of the price.
The Hyundai Ioniq5 is superb and apparently they too are selling at a fat discount (maybe same as Kia).
I will be very keen to see what the Creta EV is like.
I will also be very keen to see what the Maruti Grand Vitara EV is like.
I am very sure that both of the above will be well put together and will be very good cars with good sales and servicing.
Citroen is very comfortable and well built and has lots going for it. Lovely brand with a deep history of classy engineering and innovation. But these blighters at Stellantis and their overall strategy is unclear. I love the Brand Citroen. But they don’t seem to have ‘caught on’ much. Yet they are (purely as a product) worthy of thought.
I am deeply appreciative of BYD and the quality and technology that they bring to the table and the experiences with the BYD E6 and all as Airport Transfer vehicles. I did find the Atto3 a little over the top in design. But one can live with that. The BYD Seal on the other hand is face-peelingly fast. And looks wonderful. I love it.
Ive used many BYDs abroad as Uber Taxis and the Seal, the Han and all their line up are fantastic. They are superior, in my view, to Lord Muskymusk’s Tesla (which also I have used many times when abroad and have driven too, in America and Europe.)
I would like to wait for the new generation Mahindra EV’s to be launched on the roads. I was very impressed with the XUV400 EV and its phenomenal ride quality in particular because of its Frequency Dependent Dampers.
The only fear that I have with Mahindra is the fact that their service centres are swamped with their old gen vehicles, their commercial vehicles, the zillions of new Thars and XUV700’s and Thar Roxx’s and all. So I wonder how they will handle the knowledge transfers, training, spares, servicing and care of all their new gen EV’s. Typical consumer behaviour with Mahindra would be to wait and watch for 1-2 years before jumping into purchase.
So thats my take and I hope it helps you.
Sorry for not voting on any of your choices and Sorry also if I ended up confusing you.
eC3 is totally obsolete and irrelevant. Don’t bother.
Nexon EV over Punch EV for the bigger 45kwh battery and faster charging speeds. A nicer cabin, more features and more power are added bonus.
Nexon vs Windsor is interesting. Primarily comes down to the space requirements, especially the rear seat. If your usage involves more than 2 people frequently, you may be better off with the MG. It is better for family use, whereas Nexon’s rear seat space and seating is pretty bad. If the back seat will not be used regularly, I’ll say pick Nexon.
Budget permitting, it makes sense to wait for the upcoming Mahindra BE6E.
I would vote Punch EV 35 KWh pack among the choices here. As a daily commuter I think it is the car with the right size and you can easily get 230 kms of range for 10-100% SoC in city traffic. But here are some points to consider.
1. Checkout out the ergonomics in general. My biggest complaint about Nexon EV Max that I have is the ergonomics. I am not really sure of how good Punch EV is in this dept but when it comes to Punch petrol vs Nexon Petrol there is no doubt that Punch Petrol has much better ergonomics. If there are older folks they will definitely appreciate the better ingress and egress
2. As much as I hate the styling, the new range of Mahindra EVs are something to look at seriously. They have better batteries, faster charging and all the bells and whistles that you can ask for, and are priced very well. Now you might be saying that it is for the usual commute but when you start owning and EV you will definitely want to take it for your longer trips. The fantastic drive train, the cabin silence, the ease of single gear transmission together with breath taking torque is something no ICE at this price point can match. The fast charging network is growing fast and with close to 500 Kms range the Mahindra EVs are definitely something that you should think about.
3. I am assuming you have a good story when it comes to home (slow) charging. This is a very important feature of EVs in general and unless you get this sorted out you will not enjoy the ownership much.
I understand you are located in Kerala. Fast charging network is extensive in the South of India and as such you can consider one of the bigger EVs as well.
I would vote for Nexon 45, took delivery of one on November 5th and done close to 3000kms now, quiet cabin, nice driving experience, software seems stable as of now, predictable range and with the price correction it is a sweet deal
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Originally Posted by anilntny
(Post 5885127)
This car is meant strictly as a daily commute vehicle. Considering ev, as my Jeep crossed 50000 km in just 2 years. I am confused between Punch ev adventure Long Range and New Mg Windsor base variant. Visited Tata showrooms twice, very lukewarm response. Also horrifying stories about them. Please advise me to make a wise decision. |
Of the options above, with the need being urgent, i would pick Punch.EV, strictly for its dimensions and range it offers in that package, for commutes in KL' tight twisty roads and lanes. As an overall package, I'd go with the middle trim of Windsor.
I visited 2 showrooms of Tata and MG during my evaluation phase and found that in both places the service was a hit or miss. The SA I got in the second Tata showroom was driven and more professional so I went with them for my booking once I decided which car I was buying, even though they were about 15kms from my place and the first place was just 2kms away.
Expecting a prismatic battery pack for punch anytime soon, there might be slight capacity upgrade as well, similar to Nexon EV 45, also I feel the price of punch is slightly over inflated as there is no direct competition in its segment , price should also drop by 1-2 lakhs
Tata is clearly separating their electric cars from ICE ones. I recently visited an EV-exclusive dealership called .EV. The experience was exceptional and totally different. They are even starting new dedicated service centers. Many old dealerships have been replaced with new ones.
I even had a cappuccino with 'EV' written on it.
Let's hope for the best.
Avoid Tata EVs if you have the option.
Take any other EV OEM in India including Mahindra, the difference in reliability is night and day.
I understand the rare battery failure but there are Tata EV owners who are on their 3rd battery and are recommending folks not to replace their battery under warranty even if diagnosed as faulty because the replaced battery could be worse.
This when we have barely heard of any battery replacement for any other OEM outside a recall or flood related issue.
I no longer classify them as quality issues. Problem seems to be systematic and deep rooted. Please spare yourself this agony.
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Originally Posted by anilntny
(Post 5885127)
Please advise me to make a wise decision. |
Hyundai Creta EV is expected to launch in Jan 2025 during Bharat Mobility with deliveries to commence in Feb 2025. My suggestion would be to wait for this since Hyundai is amongst the most reliable brands in terms of quality control in India which both Tata & Mahindra lack.
If priced right, Creta EV would be a killer option.
If the usage is purely City and highway only for occasional trips, then it would be Punch.EV as it has got all the features of Nexon. I have test driven Punch.EV with one of my friend who owns MG-ZS-EV, and he commented that his ZS now feels older as he is missing features like 360-degree camera and ventilated seats etc.
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