[Love4Cars]

Originally Posted by saurabh_v8

I am open to suggestions for a third car in this price range with similar power other than 1.5 dsg
Budget: 20lakh all inclusive

You can add Hyundai Kona in the mix too. Apart from having a little more cramped rear and lower ground clearance at 172mm, it has a good number of features over XUV400 EL Pro and ZS Executive including Heated and Ventilated Seats, Powered seats with Lumbar support, Auto IRVM and Sunroof, Leather Seats, Wireless Charger (over ZS), Electronic Parking Break with Auto Hold (over XUV400).

It is even more tried and tested product but that is what makes it dated too.

Also, it is 5 Star Euro Spec rated with CKD build quality, fit and finish.

[Love4Cars]

I did a test drive today of an EL Pro. At around 18.5L on road, it looks like a really great VFM buy.

Pros for me:
- Build quality (like 300), increased boot space, more width offering a comfortable back seat.
It may even allow 2 Child seat and a lean Adult in the middle (need to try).

- The car was super smooth and had a scary pickup for city in Fearless mode.

- All must have features including Auto IRVM, modern and bigger screens, Sunroof, Height adjustable Seat belts (a necessity for my height of 5'4).

- Car had good ground clearance and great underbody protection throughout.

- Good fit and finish outside with a strong body when I tried to press against it.
Gearbox felt more intuitive than dials and buttons coming from ICE ATs.


Cons:
- Few good to have features missing like EPB and Auto hold, Ventilated Seats, 360 Camera. But then it is priced cheaper than a Smaller Nexon by 1.3 Lacs. I would love an XUV 400 with these features even with an increase in price.

- NMC Battery: While as per Mahindra, NMC is great for a consumer and all, but they themselves are moving to LFP with VW deal. Hence, resale may take a hit. We may have an LFP XUV400 by end of this year which may be more future Proof for Indian conditions.

Conclusion:
At 18.5L on road in Gurgaon or even lesser in some states it is an amazing VFM if that is what you would like to spend. So if your budget is say 16-17L, this makes a compelling case to extend. However, if your budget is 20-25L then MG ZS EV is a more practical and overall better buy.

[sushrut]

Originally Posted by saurabh_v8

Please see if you can share some photos of xuv400 in nebula blue color

Hi, Saurabh, Here you go ! It's deep blue metallic dual tone paint with purplish hues when looked at from certain angles. Smartphone camera is not able to capture the colour properly. Its unique and I quite liked it. Car is likely to be delivered in next 7-8 days. Regards!

[saurabh_v8]

Originally Posted by sushrut

Hi, Saurabh, Here you go ! It's deep blue metallic dual tone paint with purplish hues when looked at from certain angles. Smartphone camera is not able to capture the colour properly. Its unique and I quite liked it. Car is likely to be delivered in next 7-8 days. Regards!

Congrats Sushrut,
Very beautiful color and unique color. Probably no other oem provides similar color option

[nhkvarma]

Originally Posted by sushrut

Hi, Saurabh, Here you go ! It's deep blue metallic dual tone paint with purplish hues when looked at from certain angles. Smartphone camera is not able to capture the colour properly. Its unique and I quite liked it. Car is likely to be delivered in next 7-8 days. Regards!

Finally, thanks for bringing the Nebula Blue colour pics. Its too reflective to assess the colour though. Happy if someone else can post more pictures.

[nhkvarma]

Originally Posted by Aditya

Unlike the exterior, the interior gets major updates. The dashboard is a black and light-grey dual-tone unit with copper and glossy black inserts, a new instrument cluster and a tablet-like touchscreen head-unit

I tested the XUV 400 EL Pro alongside its close competitors, the MG ZS, Nexon EV, Punch EV, and Kona EV, in the midst of a price war. It's crucial to discern the offerings of each contender. Here are my findings on the XUV 400:

Given my positive experience with the XUV 300, I'm naturally inclined towards its upgraded version, the XUV 400, owing to its enhanced performance, suspension, dampers, NVH, and comfort. However, certain aspects left me somewhat disappointed. Despite being on the verge of making a purchase, a few factors are holding me back. So, here my observations combining whats good and whats not.

1. The suspension surpasses that of the XUV 300, providing a smooth glide on most surfaces. While I haven't tested it at high speeds where some have reported bumpiness, I remain uncertain about that aspect.

2. The absence of front parking sensors is a huge disappointment. Although available as accessories, integrating the display of infographics into the 10.25-inch screen is not seamless. The alternative involves affixing a separate, aftermarket like device on the dashboard, which I find less appealing.

3. The lack of a 360-degree camera is another drawback. While I find it relatively easy to gauge the XUV 300's position in tight spots compared to my Elite i20, the convenience of having cameras, now considered standard even in vehicles like the Suzuki Baleno, would be beneficial for maneuvering this almost Creta-sized vehicle in the city, especially in cramped parking spaces.

4. The absence of ventilated seats, despite the provision of dual-zone climate control, is notable. Ventilated seats are particularly desirable in Indian conditions.

5. While the above-mentioned features are almost imperative at this price point, I would appreciate additional features such as blind-spot monitoring and electronic parking hold in comparison to the competition.

6. The absence of soft-touch materials is noteworthy. The plastic quality, particularly in the central console with a piano black finish, does not exceed that of my Elite i20. Visible gaps in the hard plastics around the dashboard are disappointing. The lack of soft linings in the boot results in scratches and occasional rattling noises from stored items. Even the more affordable Punch outshines in this aspect. STranegly, I did not find any reviewer mentioning the plastic gaps quality.

7. The hazard lamps on doors now being reflectors seems like a cost cutting. I hope this can be rectified by replacing it with the XUV 300 spare part.

8. Another frustrating cost-cutting measure of having the request sensor only on the right side is inconvenient. In various scenarios, having the sensor on the left door would be more practical, particularly when assisting someone in the rear seat like elderly person or a baby, or with quick errands like laptop bag or files. I've found this feature convenient in the XUV 300 and always miss it in my Elite i20.

Considering the value of these features, I wouldn't mind investing an additional 2 lakhs. I'm hopeful that Mahindra might release an XUV EL Pro L variant addressing these concerns in the near future. But by then the Tata Curvv or Mahindra e8 may all land in leaving the 400 as an outdated one.

PS: In my test vehicle I found the AC compressor making a whinny sound. I haven’t seen anyone complaining about this so wondering if this issue is only on my test car.


MG ZS: So, after the discounts, this car looked pretty tempting. It's got all the bells and whistles, and I was almost ready to stretch my budget a bit. I really dig the soft-touch dash and the overall fancy feel inside. But here's the kicker – the ride felt like I was on a boat. When I take a test drive, I usually hit the typical bumpy city roads with patches and potholes. That's where the XUV 400 glided smoothly, and even the Nexon and Punch did better. But the ZS? It had this weird yawing effect, even more than my Elite i20. Now, in cities like Hyderabad, where speed bumps pop up every 100 feet, and Bangalore roads feel worse than off-road tracks, the ZS didn't handle it well. I felt every bump and pothole inside the cabin, and with the added thud sounds, it was less than ideal. And, mind you, these sounds get louder in an electric vehicle.


Punch EV: So, it all kicked off with this one. Honestly, for my daily city use, this could have been perfect. I did consider the Toago EV, but it seemed like it would become outdated pretty soon. I prefer getting a car with some up-to-date basics and maybe some features that won't go out of style too quickly. My plan is to keep the car for as long as possible. Why? Well, even though we think EVs are super eco-friendly (they're not entirely, by the way), using them for a really long time helps offset their carbon footprint compared to regular cars. Volvo did a study on their XC40 ICE and EV versions, and they suggested driving over 2 lakh km to balance out the emissions. So, back to Punch – even the mid-range option would have worked for me. But the price is still pretty high, and there are no discounts yet, probably because it's a new launch. Despite the cost, I liked the Punch EV's ride and features; they fit my needs. However, this might work better as a second car. Unlike the XUV 400, which I can take on long drives with five people comfortably, Punch EV seems more suited for city runs. And let's be real, a family road trip in an EV is way more budget-friendly and convenient than dealing with public transport or regular cars. But after splurging on the second car, saving up for a main car upgrade won't be a cakewalk. On the downside, apart from the high cost, I'm not too sure about TATA's service. I've had two letdowns already when trying to book a test drive. Once, they told me the car was out of charge after I confirmed my slot, and the second time, the car had apparently been moved to another showroom. Ironically, they don't offer home delivery for test drives.

Nexon EV: I've got a hunch that the EV tech of Nexon is about to become old news with Punch EV architecture likely to enter the Nexon 2024 update. The fresh looks are undeniably sleek, but there's always been something off about the Nexon's proportions in my eyes. The high ground clearance makes it seem like it's floating in the air, kinda like it's tiptoeing and never feels its 4m long. Despite being a tad larger, the rear still feels a bit cramped. And those exposed orange cables underneath are horrible. The major buzzkill, though, is the load of glitches and complaints I've been spotting online. I'm not sure how many of them can be fixed with software updates and how many are here to stay. Considering my experiences with Tata showrooms, even during the sales phase, and the usual software hiccups with most Tata brands like TCS, I'm feeling a bit skeptical about this one. Nevertheless, the interiors are killer and loaded with features.

Kona EV: Out of the blue, my i20 showroom hit me up with a jaw-dropping 9 lakh discount on the current-year Kona, making it feel like a big billion day sale. While it wasn't on my radar before, such an offer demanded a closer look. I appreciate its decent looks that seem to grow on you, plus the size and stance hit the right notes. I usually prefer lower ground clearance for better aerodynamics and control, similar to my XUV 300, which sits just right and has never seen a scratch underneath, thanks to its stellar suspension system.

However, some reviews claim the Kona might be a tad too low and prone to scratches on bumps. I'm willing to live with that if it means enjoying the premium interiors, split center console, and impressive features. The rear seat comfort appears on par with the Nexon, making it a bit of a compromise.

Despite Hyundai's tendency to offer hefty discounts on outgoing models, 9 lakhs is hard to ignore. Its international presence with consistent design and features is a plus, even though the global versions have seen two upgrades in the last three years, while the Indian variant remains the same since its debut. I'm okay with that since I still find its looks contemporary.

However, the absence of Bluelink, remote control features for engine on/off, no front parking sensors, and 360 camera are significant drawbacks. I am yet to take a test ride, while I know its highway cruise is nice, official Team BHP review marked its city ride as bone jarring. So have to check on this. This could be a big deal for me.

PS: I've noticed that the 2021 Kona versions in the USA and UK have an upgraded 10.25-inch display with Bluelink. I'm curious if I can get this head unit from the USA and replace the old 8-inch one here. If anyone has any insights, please share.

[sri_tesla]

Originally Posted by nhkvarma

I tested the XUV 400 EL Pro alongside its close competitors, the MG ZS, Nexon EV, Punch EV, and Kona EV, in the midst of a price war. It's crucial to discern the offerings of each contender. Here are my findings on the XUV 400:

While evaluating different options and comparing them is good while making a big purchase, I feel like you are focusing too much on drawbacks and missing features only. Especially with limited choices in the EV market, you cannot solely focus on all the negatives of each product for making a decision. Features like 360 camera are really necessary? Also, what's wrong in adding front parking sensors as after market? I have got rear parking sensors added as accessories from the dealer on my Honda city while purchasing the car. It comes with 4 sensors and a small display that shows the distance in meters and beeps while reversing. It cost me Rs 3,000 at that time (2014) and still working fine.

Kona EV: Out of the blue, my i20 showroom hit me up with a jaw-dropping 9 lakh discount on the current-year Kona, making it feel like a big billion day sale.

Kona's official price is Rs 23.84 lakhs ex-showroom. Are you saying, you were offered it for Rs 15 lakhs? Are you sure its not some showroom display vehicle or test ride vehicle? Can you share the showroom details?

[Love4Cars]

Originally Posted by nhkvarma

Kona EV: Out of the blue, my i20 showroom hit me up with a jaw-dropping 9 lakh discount on the current-year Kona, making it feel like a big billion day sale.

Can you share the quote from the dealer?? I am also keeping a close watch and on the fence for buying a Kona. If this one is true, I will book one today.

[shankar.balan]

Originally Posted by nhkvarma

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1. The suspension surpasses that of the XUV 300, providing a smooth glide on most surfaces.

MG ZS: So, after the discounts, this car looked pretty tempting.


Punch EV: So, it all kicked off with this one. Honestly, for my daily city use, this could have been perfect. I did consider the Toago

Nexon EV: I've got a hunch that the EV tech of Nexon is about to become old news with Punch EV architecture

Kona EV: Out of the blue, my i20 showroom hit me up with a jaw-dropping 9 lakh discount on the current-year Kona,

Despite Hyundai's tendency to offer hefty discounts on outgoing models, 9 lakhs is hard to ignore. I'm okay with that since I still find its looks contemporary.

However, the absence of Bluelink, remote control features for engine on/off, no front parking sensors, and 360 camera are significant drawbacks. I am yet to take a test ride, while I know its highway cruise is nice, official Team BHP review marked its city ride as bone jarring. So have to check on this. This could be a big deal for me.

PS: I've noticed that the 2021 Kona versions in the USA and UK have an upgraded 10.25-inch display with Bluelink. I'm curious if I can get this head unit from the USA and replace the old 8-inch one here. If anyone has any insights, please share.

1. XUV400 has FDD (Frequency Dependent Dampers) Its ride quality is superb over all surfaces. I drove it pretty hard over some real poor surfaces a short while back and it is really good.

2. MG ZS EV is an excellent family mover. Period.

3. Tata sales experience is terrible (as per what I experienced. Their dealer execs are least interested. I wouldn’t spend my money there.

4. I am amazed at hearing about 9 lacs off on the Kona. I am getting my Kona this week end and Ive got about 5 lacs off. Since I am so near the purchase, I would appreciate more information ref this 9 lacs off.

My own experience of the Kona with 4 of us in the vehicle did not throw up this bone jarring ride issue in the bad potholed roads of Bangalore. We do have to watch for the speed breakers and high man holes though so as to avoid hitting the underside under full load conditions.

[nhkvarma]

Originally Posted by shankar.balan

1. XUV400 has FDD (Frequency Dependent Dampers) Its ride quality is superb over all surfaces. I drove it pretty hard over some real poor surfaces a short while back and it is really good.

2. MG ZS EV is an excellent family mover. Period.

3. Tata sales experience is terrible (as per what I experienced. Their dealer execs are least interested. I wouldn’t spend my money there.

4. I am amazed at hearing about 9 lacs off on the Kona. I am getting my Kona this week end and Ive got about 5 lacs off. Since I am so near the purchase, I would appreciate more information ref this 9 lacs off.

My own experience of the Kona with 4 of us in the vehicle did not throw up this bone jarring ride issue in the bad potholed roads of Bangalore. We do have to watch for the speed breakers and high man holes though so as to avoid hitting the underside under full load conditions.

Good to see similar opinion. The 9 lakhs off is from Andhra Pradesh. I tried to inquire the same from Hyderabad and Bangalore dealers but its not this close.

Local dealer in Hyderabad is yet to arrange a test ride for me.
Meanwhile I have found this link for head unit from USA:
https://www.hyundaipartsdeal.com/gen...k4760-nvc.html

I have a feeling that the size and slot are similar and hence can fit into the current Kona version we have in India. Keen to know if its the case and also if Bluelink works. Remote engine/AC on off would at least be very good.

[nhkvarma]

Originally Posted by sri_tesla

While evaluating different options and comparing them is good while making a big purchase, I feel like you are focusing too much on drawbacks and missing features only. Especially with limited choices in the EV market, you cannot solely focus on all the negatives of each product for making a decision. Features like 360 camera are really necessary? Also, what's wrong in adding front parking sensors as after market? I have got rear parking sensors added as accessories from the dealer on my Honda city while purchasing the car. It comes with 4 sensors and a small display that shows the distance in meters and beeps while reversing. It cost me Rs 3,000 at that time (2014) and still working fine.


Kona's official price is Rs 23.84 lakhs ex-showroom. Are you saying, you were offered it for Rs 15 lakhs? Are you sure its not some showroom display vehicle or test ride vehicle? Can you share the showroom details?

This is from Andhra Pradesh where online price is 29 lakhs. After discounts this is coming around 20 lakhs. This is the quote dealer mentioned to me by calling me directly. Bangalore dealer mentioned 4 lakhs off where road tax is not yet there.

[shankar.balan]

Originally Posted by nhkvarma

This is from Andhra Pradesh where online price is 29 lakhs. After discounts this is coming around 20 lakhs. This is the quote dealer mentioned to me by calling me directly. Bangalore dealer mentioned 4 lakhs off where road tax is not yet there.

Oh thats because the state started levying Road Tax.
In Bangalore the price is close to 20 lacs. And right now there is no Road Tax on EVs and there is no 28% GST as in normal cars. GST is only 5% on EV.

[nhkvarma]

Originally Posted by shankar.balan

Oh thats because the state started levying Road Tax.
In Bangalore the price is close to 20 lacs. And right now there is no Road Tax on EVs and there is no 28% GST as in normal cars. GST is only 5% on EV.

Yes, this is the key reason for my rush to own an EV soon before Karnataka too levies road tax. Otherwise, I am good to wait for little longer to witness Kona 2024 version (probably media is calling it as Creta EV), Tata Curvv EV and Mahindra e8.

[Love4Cars]

Quick update on XUV400 EL Pro:
Currently Mahindra dealers are offering Rs 50k cash discount on XUV 400 without negotiation.
I read in one of the groups, you can get Rs 80-90k Cash discount. I guess M&M are feeling the heat with price cuts for Nexon and new ZS EV variant Excite Pro.
Stock is readily available for some colors. This is in Gurgaon.

[sri_tesla]

Originally Posted by Love4Cars

I guess M&M are feeling the heat with price cuts for Nexon and new ZS EV variant Excite Pro.

It's due to a lack of overall demand rather than pressure from competition. All these cars (Nexon EV, XUV400, MG ZS EV) start at a much higher base price than their petrol counterparts. While the EV models have better features and less running cost advantages, that still does not make up for the lack of base variants at lower prices. Nexon EV starts at Rs 14.5 lakhs while nexon petrol starts at Rs 8.14 lakhs. It's same with XUV 300 vs 400 and MG astor vs ZS EV. It's not an apples to apples to comparison, but the lack of base and mid variants at lower prices is one of the main reasons for less demand.

Also, all the companies have much higher production capacities than earlier and it is always better to sell more at lower prices than lose the sales to the competition especially when they have decent margins due to much lower GST (5%) and PLI schemes. Tata should have priced the facelifted Nexon EV at a much lower starting price. Mahindra's 2024 model launch pricing was decent but it's struggling due to price cuts from MG and Tata. They are masters of launching new models at shocker prices and increasing them over time due to demand. Hopefully, they will apply it to XUV300 EV launch. MG needs to bring their other models (MG 4, Wuling Bingo plus, etc...) to Indian market to cover Rs 10 to 20 lakh pricing brackets.