[Livnletcarsliv]

Regarding the ARAI claimed vs real world range,

1. For Indian manufacturers, especially Tata (Nexon, Tigor, Tiago), the real world range is only about 60% of ARAi claimed.
2. Whereas, for global cars like ZS, Kona, Ioniq 5, the real world range is a good 80% approx. of the ARAI claimed range.

So there is a significant gap in the manufacturing, testing, and marketing of Tata EVs which is not a good thing for customers. I will happily buy a ZS/Kona (which is also more reliable apart from better range) when spending upwards of 16L-17L for an EV.
So all in all, with respect to Tata, I see ONLY Tiago as a value for money car for a normal user. In fact, Nexon ICE is a better car compared to its EV version.

Surprisingly, so far, XUV400/eC3 is nowhere in the picture.

[sharathkamath04]

Originally Posted by Livnletcarsliv

Regarding the ARAI claimed vs real world range,

1. For Indian manufacturers, especially Tata (Nexon, Tigor, Tiago), the real world range is only about 60% of ARAi claimed.
2. Whereas, for global cars like ZS, Kona, Ioniq 5, the real world range is a good 80% approx. of the ARAI claimed range.

So there is a significant gap in the manufacturing, testing, and marketing of Tata EVs which is not a good thing for customers. I will happily buy a ZS/Kona (which is also more reliable apart from better range) when spending upwards of 16L-17L for an EV.
So all in all, with respect to Tata, I see ONLY Tiago as a value for money car for a normal user. In fact, Nexon ICE is a better car compared to its EV version.

Surprisingly, so far, XUV400/eC3 is nowhere in the picture.

Tata EVs are Gen1, converted from ICE to BEVs. Cannot compare them with EV6, Ionic5, and Teslas.

Kona was the Gen1 car with a real range of ~70% of the ARAI range, which is the same as the Tata Nexon (same-sized car). Nexon gives a 300km range which is ~70% of the ARAI range.

ZS EV is a better car in this respect. ~80% real-world range vs ARAI. But the high price is killing sales.

Tata lacks in quality of assembly, QC, and after-sales service which I assume must have improved with more EVs on the road. Long way to go there.

[mally2]

Originally Posted by Livnletcarsliv

Regarding the ARAI claimed vs real world range,

1. For Indian manufacturers, especially Tata (Nexon, Tigor, Tiago), the real world range is only about 60% of ARAi claimed.
2. Whereas, for global cars like ZS, Kona, Ioniq 5, the real world range is a good 80% approx. of the ARAI claimed range.

Surprisingly, so far, XUV400/eC3 is nowhere in the picture.

You are a bit off, TATA EVs provide close to 70% range once you have mastered driving the EV, many expert EV drivers even eek out 80%, but 70% is doable for most, for ex Tiago needs 110whkm to reach 70% of claimed range, many are able to do this easily, Nexon needs 120-125whkm again very easy.

XUV400 range I hear is pretty low compared to Nexon, but surprisingly the eC3 is very efficient at 100whkm for a regular joe, meaning a good 75-80% of claimed range

[GKR9900]

Car and Model: Hyundai Kona Electric
Year of Manufacture: August 2023
Kilometers Driven: ~3500

ARAI / Manufacturer Claimed Range: 452 kms
Real-World Range: 300-350 kms
Efficiency: 8-10.8km/kwh

City Usage (%): 70
Highway Usage (%): 30
Home Slow Charging (%):99%
Outside Fast Charging (%):1%
Battery Capacity:39.2kwh

Having bought the Kona in December 2023, I am pleasantly surprised by how efficient the car is. As stated in my original thread, I was on the lookout for an EV that could comfortably give a 250 km real-life range. I am not someone who holds back on the instant torque and even after one month of ownership, still enjoys flooring the throttle when the road conditions allow. Enthusiastic driving gives me an efficiency of ~7.5 - 8 km/kwh (125-133 Wh/km). I tried one trip to maximize efficiency, by smoothly accelerating and decelerating which gave a figure of 10.8 km/kwh (93 Wh/km). My usual consumption hovers between 8.5 and 9.5 km/kwh (105-117 Wh/km). My usual commute is a mix of city and highways. AC is always on and so are the ventilated seats. I liberally use the paddle-based regen and cycle between various levels (0-3) depending on the road conditions.

[Livnletcarsliv]

Originally Posted by sharathkamath04

Tata EVs are Gen1, converted from ICE to BEVs. Cannot compare them with EV6, Ionic5, and Teslas.

Kona was the Gen1 car with a real range of ~70% of the ARAI range, which is the same as the Tata Nexon (same-sized car). Nexon gives a 300km range which is ~70% of the ARAI range.

ZS EV is a better car in this respect. ~80% real-world range vs ARAI. But the high price is killing sales.

Tata lacks in quality of assembly, QC, and after-sales service which I assume must have improved with more EVs on the road. Long way to go there.

I never mentioned Tesla or EV6 anywhere. In India, even ZS EV and Kona are also Gen1 EVs. Nexon's 70% is still far from the claimed range which again asserts that my statement is true. ZS is priced high because it is a better car compared to Nexon. The sales number of ZS EV is low (compared to Nexon) because of other reasons which is another topic of discussion.

Let us also not get into the other aspects - another topic for another day. I am not here to bad mouth about Tata or any brand/car for that matter. I am just posting my observation and understanding.

Originally Posted by mally2

You are a bit off, TATA EVs provide close to 70% range once you have mastered driving the EV, many expert EV drivers even eek out 80%, but 70% is doable for most, for ex Tiago needs 110whkm to reach 70% of claimed range, many are able to do this easily, Nexon needs 120-125whkm again very easy.

XUV400 range I hear is pretty low compared to Nexon, but surprisingly the eC3 is very efficient at 100whkm for a regular joe, meaning a good 75-80% of claimed range

My response above applies here as well. You may be right about eC3.

On there other hand, generally or otherwise here I see quite a few users trying to drive the EV with AC switched off just to extract a better range. Seriously, spend 20-30L to buy a car and switch off the AC during driving to extract about 20-30km extra range? Why should an enthusiast reduce the speed (which are still legal speeds limits in India) from 110-120 to say 80-100 to comprise on the fun/speed to maintain or improve the range?

[TorqueIndia]

Originally Posted by sharathkamath04

Kona was the Gen1 car with a real range of ~70% of the ARAI range, which is the same as the Tata Nexon (same-sized car). Nexon gives a 300km range which is ~70% of the ARAI range.

ZS EV is a better car in this respect. ~80% real-world range vs ARAI. But the high price is killing sales.

There is a catch here, while Nexon & Kona were ARAI rated, the MG ZS is iCAT rated, not by ARAI.

In general for the time being, while we don't have a dependable range rating, we can simply go by 7km per KWH for the expected dependable range of 2wd EVs available right now in India. anything above it is the bonus of your driving style and usage patterns.

We can expect around 210km range from a 30KWH 100% battery.

[WhiskeyTangoFox]

Car and Model: MG ZS EV Exclusive
Year of Manufacture: 2021
Kilometers Driven: 24000
ARAI / Manufacturer Claimed Range:419
Real-World Range: 300, maybe slightly higher in the City (Normal Driving in Eco Mode, Regen 3, AC on)
City Usage (%): 80%
Highway Usage (%): 20%
Home Slow Charging (%):95% (We use the 15A Charger. Haven't installed the 7.2 kw home charger yet)
Outside Fast Charging (%): 5%
Battery Capacity: 44.5 KW/h

[EV Fan]

Originally Posted by electric_eel

Someone like EV_Fan on this forum probably can do Kashmir to Kanyakumari in one charge on a MG comet

I can try that if pushing is allowed, the comet is light enough to be pushed. I guess an OCD for efficiency can be a boon.

Originally Posted by mally2

Damn man, is the KONA really that efficient to do 80whkm. Kudos to your driving style and the KONAs efficiency

The experiments are still on. Hoping to inch slightly more.
13+ KM/KWh might be possible on highways, though i am yet to get it consistently. I get it with free flowing traffic on the highways but then city traffic brings it down, so averages are still hovering around 12 KM/KWh.
Kerala's yet to get straight multi lane highway like Tamil Nadu or Karnataka. Every few kms or so has a city which are the chokepoints.

Originally Posted by wocanak

We should crown you King of efficient EV driving.
While the rest of us bitch and moan about range and charging limitations of affordable EVs and keep hoping for that elusive EV to fix it, you have taken what is available and made it work now for highway usage.

Thank You for the award.

Happy with what i got, though, only if Hyundai would have brought the 64Kwh Kona in India.

[Shresth_EV]

Originally Posted by mally2

ex Tiago needs 110whkm to reach 70% of claimed range, many are able to do this easily, Nexon needs 120-125whkm again very easy.

XUV400 range I hear is pretty low compared to Nexon, but surprisingly the eC3 is very efficient at 100whkm for a regular joe, meaning a good 75-80% of claimed range

XUV has primarily two reasons for low range based on my understanding:

1. NMC fares worse in hot Indian climate than LFP which is more heat resistant. The cooling system may be needing to work harder on an XUV compared to the tatas. The Nexon 3.0 and punch EV have a new multi-speed chiller and pump compared to Tiago, tigor and Nexon, so even more savings on temp management

2. XUV users cannot independently select drive mode and regen. Like many here have discussed the possibility of sport for better range in defensive driving scenario, such is not possible due to the drive models linked to regen instead of being adjustable on their own. This takes away some flexibility which a user may utilise for better range acc to their driving style — something possible with Tata but not on XUV

For Citroen I’d like to revisit point #1 where the thermal management sips some extra electrons in XUV over Nexon, Citroen sips none because it doesn’t have liquid cooling.

It’s more of a safety and longevity thing rather than something which gives more range (unless we can precondition battery but that we can’t — on any Indian mass market EV)

So there is some little energy saving from not having liquid cooling but it’s real cost comes at time of DCFC power draw where the Citroen is abysmal. Lack of cooling doesn’t degrade range but it definitely increases charging time.

So while the “slow” charging Nexon EV MR may only pull 21kW, and go 225km ie driving 3h@75kmph and charging from 10-80 in 1h

Citroen can drive say 270km for same time at same speed but will stop for 1.5h or more, drawing only 10-15kW overall increasing range but also increasing trip time simultaneously

[rknair]

Little late to this thread, but I have been an owner of BYD Atto3 for almost an year now. We have travelled extensively in the peninsular India from my base in Hyderabad. Travelled twice to Thiruvananthapuram, once to Chennai, Mahabaleshwar, Murudeshwar & Kollur, Rameshwaram & Dhanushkodi over the 11 months of ownership. The noise and vibration free comfort of an EV has prompted me to go on and on these trips.

Car and Model: BYD Atto3
Year of Manufacture: 2023
Kilometers Driven: 17,300
ARAI / Manufacturer Claimed Range: 521 km
Real-World Range: 420-450
City Usage (%): 10%
Highway Usage (%):
Home Slow Charging (%):20%
Outside Fast Charging (%): 80%
Battery Capacity: 60.48 kWh

[arpanjha]

Car and Model: Nexon EV Max
Year of Manufacture: 2022
Kilometers Driven:8900
ARAI / Manufacturer Claimed Range:450
Real-World Range: 360 Km with 12-15% in spare, so I guess it might reach 400 with a scary level of balance charge
City Usage (%): 80%
Highway Usage (%): 20%
Home Slow Charging (%): 99%
Outside Fast Charging (%): Just once till now
Battery Capacity: 40.5 KW

Unfortunately I had to move to another city in April 23, and folks at home do not want to use a driver, so only when I am back, once a month do I get to drive her.

[electric_eel]

Originally Posted by arpanjha

Car and Model: Nexon EV Max

ARAI / Manufacturer Claimed Range:450
Real-World Range: 360 Km with 12-15% in spare, so I guess it might reach 400 with a scary level of balance charge

That is fantastic driving. 100 Wh/km is some thing that I always aspire for but seldom achieve.

[Seeler_Rebeiro]

Originally Posted by arpanjha

Real-World Range: 360 Km with 12-15% in spare, so I guess it might reach 400 with a scary level of balance charge
Battery Capacity: 40.5 KW
.

Wow, 10 km/KWH. Or 100 wh/km. Record breaking range....I do not think any 4 wheeler vehicle acheived this yet.

[StarrySky]

My brother owns a MG ZS EV Excite, quite new, and has run less than 1000km.

He has recently done two highway trips in Kerala, identical 270km roundtrips both times. In one trip he used 62% of the battery and in the other 60%. Based on that, his estimated highway range is about 435-450km, very close to the claimed range.

[shankar.balan]

Originally Posted by StarrySky

trips in Kerala, identical 270km roundtrips both times. In one trip he used 62% of the battery and in the range is about 435-450km, very close to the claimed range.

KL Speed limits must have a lot to do with this kind of range.