[TusharK]

A heavily camouflaged test mule of what is believed to be the Tata Harrier EV has been spotted. There is no visible exhaust, which has led to speculations that this could be the electric version of the Harrier.



On the outside, the Harrier EV looks similar to the production-ready prototype that was unveiled during Auto Expo 2023. The SUV has a blanked-off grille with horizontal strakes and a split headlamp setup. The slim LED daytime running lights could be connected by an LED light bar.



In the second image, you can see a part of the dashboard and centre console. The SUV is equipped with a floating touchscreen infotainment system and an electronic parking brake. The Harrier EV is also likely to get Tata’s new 4-spoke steering wheel with the illuminated logo, a digital instrument cluster, a panoramic sunroof and a 360-degree camera. Higher variants might also get ADAS.



The Harrier EV will be based on the brand’s Gen 2 EV architecture. The electric SUV is expected to be offered in a dual-motor configuration.



Source: @mrdracer5

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[ferrarirules]

Originally Posted by TusharK

A heavily camouflaged test mule of what is believed to be the Tata Harrier EV has been spotted. There is no visible exhaust, which has led to speculations that this could be the electric version of the Harrier.

The exterior and interior looks very similar to the new Harrier that has been teased. It might get a dual motor setup making it a 4x4 and bigger battery so that it can do 400+ kms.

[aim120]

Could the Harrier EV version end up being cheaper than the diesel powered by a Fiat sourced engine and auto transmission by Hyundai. Not to mention the 46% GST/Cess vs 5% for the EV. A top end Nexon diesel costs 4 lakh more then a top end Nexon EV with V2V, V2L capability. This further drops to 2.4 lakh difference for states with zero road tax for EV.

With a wheelbase as big as Atto3, you can't squeeze more then 60kwh of LFP battery.
Also for price comparison an Atto3 costs 21k USD in China add 3k for shipping and freight and 35% import duties for SKD and Byd India assembling expenses and 10% profit + 5% EV GST comes to around INR 30 lakh add the high dealer margin for low volume product due to low revenue from a vehicle that doesn't need frequent servicing or consumables.

The Harrier EV can be quite competitive with only 5% GST. Only the EV powertrain and battery cells being imported will have import duties. Even in a ICE powered car the ECU is still imported.

[TheRandomGuy]

I really love the looks of Harrier, the new facelift version looks pretty cool too.
I am looking for a spacious 5 seater car, preferably an EV.

Had my eyes on the Atto3, with its big 450km real world range and spacious interiors.
but the pricing and lack of important features turned out to be a disappointment.

Hoping the Harrier EV is able to close the gap. Will be following with peeled eyes for this one.

Are there any concrete news on when this will be announced officially?

[TusharK]

Tata Harrier EV design patent leaked ahead of launch

Tata Motors is planning to launch a slew of EVs, including a pure-electric version of the Harrier. A patent filed by the company has now revealed the upcoming electric SUV’s exterior design.



It seems the Harrier EV will sport a similar exterior look to the ICE version. That being said, it could get a unique front fascia with a blanked-out grille. The rear, however, has a more familiar design with a wraparound LED taillight and the redesigned rear bumper that was introduced on the facelift version.

Inside, the Harrier EV is expected to get a 10.25-inch touchscreen infotainment system, a digital instrument cluster and a rotary drive mode selector. The SUV is also likely to get a panoramic sunroof and ADAS.

The Harrier EV is likely to be based on the brand’s Gen 2 EV architecture. The electric SUV is expected to be offered in a dual-motor configuration and will compete with the upcoming Hyundai Creta EV.

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[PreludeSH]

I am still anxious about the battery cells used in EVs. I hope they use BYD cells which are safer than others to build their cars

I had hoped they will look little different, even a little straight paneled than the current bulbous nature of the car. Would increase the interior space too.

[Raskolnikov.R]

Originally Posted by PreludeSH

I am still anxious about the battery cells used in EVs. I hope they use BYD cells which are safer than others to build their cars

That will be possible if Tata sources their Blade technology.

However, I don't believe that will be the case.

Fingers crossed.

[shortbread]

Originally Posted by PreludeSH

I am still anxious about the battery cells used in EVs. I hope they use BYD cells which are safer than others to build their cars

I had hoped they will look little different, even a little straight paneled than the current bulbous nature of the car. Would increase the interior space too.

Safety hasn't been an issue on Tatas EVs to date, and from a safety standpoint I'd rather be worried about the battery inside an EV with poor structural integrity (you know who I'm referring to )

[antz.bin]

The price difference between the Nexon MR and LR is 2 Lakh. Assuming all of it goes into increasing the battery capacity by 10.5 KWh, and assuming the Harrier could get a battery pack of 52.5KWh and 63KWh which cost 10 and 12Lakh respectively.

The EX GST price of the top end Harrier Fearless Plus Dark Edition Diesel AT is just 17.51 Lakh. Assuming that the EV motor will cost exactly the same as the Diesel engine and Automatic Gearbox, I will make no other changes here. Adding 5% EV GST and then adding 12 Lakh for a 63 KWh battery pack, this increases to 30.35Lakh.

In states with no EV road tax, the only component remaining is insurance. That could be around 1.5 lakh for a 30lakh vehicle.

Totals up to ₹31.85 lakh OTR Pune for the Harrier Fearless Plus Dark Edition 2WD 63 KWh EV.

This amount is lower than the Harrier Fearless Plus Dark Edition Diesel AT(₹32.23 lakh).

Lower variants could get price parity with their corresponding Diesel MTs with a 52.5KWh battery pack.

If the Tatas can dream bigger than this, they could potentially have the Hyundai Ioniq 5 on their crosshairs with a 73.5 KWh battery (if they can fit one in the Harrier / Safari frame) for about 35 lakh and an AWD for about 37.

Conclusion 1: Given the GST difference, the Harrier EV could potentially be price competitive with its own Diesel AT.
Conclusion 2: Harrier could no longer need a Diesel AT. A 63KWh battery could give it a real world range of 400ish km. This battery size is 2.5KWh more than the 36 lakh BYD Atto 3 which also does real world range of 400ish km. That should be enough for most people on most days.
Conclusion 3: Mahindra XUV7OO is about to get in deep trouble now that Tatas have a new plant in Sanand to make EVs and should not have any production capacity constraints.

[alok9345]

Originally Posted by antz.bin

The EX GST price of the top end Harrier Fearless Plus Dark Edition Diesel AT is just 17.51 Lakh. Assuming that the EV motor will cost exactly the same as the Diesel engine and Automatic Gearbox, I will make no other changes here. Adding 5% EV GST and then adding 12 Lakh for a 63 KWh battery pack, this increases to 30.35Lakh.

I understand that the cost is 26.44L ex-showroom and excluding 28% GST, that'll be 20.65L. What am I doing wrong?

Either way, still attractive IMHO, for the space, tech, power, and value, but very neck and neck with BYD Atto3, with it's Blade Batteries.

They'll justify the premium with more features and some subtle additions too.

[safari_lover]

Originally Posted by alok9345

I understand that the cost is 26.44L ex-showroom and excluding 28% GST, that'll be 20.65L. What am I doing wrong?

The GST on SUVs is around 43% because of the cess along with the GST. 28% GST is only for small cars with smaller engines.

[antz.bin]

Originally Posted by alok9345

excluding 28% GST,

Harrier is a
Diesel Car
Length > 4m
Engine Capacity> 1.5l
Laden GC > 170mm

https://www.paisabazaar.com/tax/gst-...r_Personal_Use

The valid GST Cess slab is

Diesel car over 1500cc engine capacity, greater than 4 meters length and ground clearance of 170mm or more

The applicable GST + Cess is 50%

[aim120]

Originally Posted by alok9345

I understand that the cost is 26.44L ex-showroom and excluding 28% GST, that'll be 20.65L. What am I doing wrong?

Either way, still attractive IMHO, for the space, tech, power, and value, but very neck and neck with BYD Atto3, with it's Blade Batteries.

They'll justify the premium with more features and some subtle additions too.

It won't cost as much a BYD Atto 3 or the BYD E6, since both are SKD with import duties of 35% and E6 has a bigger battery then Atto 3.
Where as the IC Diesel Harrier is taxed at 50% including GST/Cess. Tata also buys or pay royalties to Fiat for the Diesel engine, Hyundai for the Auto gearbox and imported ECU.

Where as the Harrier EV will have imported motor, Inverter, VCU, BMS, Battery cells. But most of these are assembled here to get import duty benefit taxed at 15% and 12% for cells.
When they roll out the factory the car is taxed at 5% GST.

So I would say that its highly unlikely that it will cost more then a MG ZS executive variant. But that depends on how greedy Tata wants to be.

[shortbread]

If Tata can price the EV on par with the Harrier Automatic, it will be interesting to do a sales comparison between the two ie. the Auto vs the EV. I have a feeling it might yield surprising results. On the other hand I pray they don't look for massive margins, overprice the car and settle for a few hundred units every month like the MG ZS.

[alok9345]

Originally Posted by aim120

So I would say that its highly unlikely that it will cost more then a MG ZS executive variant. But that depends on how greedy Tata wants to be.

This is where the Currv will sit, not Harrier. @antz.bin is quite right in his calculation in my opinion.

The Harrier will be priced lower than Atto3 definitely, considering how tata has been pricing their cars (although I do think punch.ev isn't priced well).

They'll want to capture the very lucrative 25-40L segment with their higher end cars.

On the other hand, what could play spoilsport is the EV GST increasing for higher battery capacity/SUV. I expect this to happen anytime next year/budget. Expecting the 5% inflection point to hit by end of this year. FAME 2 future will be a big determinant of that.