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Old 13th June 2023, 11:46   #16
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Re: Chandigarh to pause petrol & diesel car registrations in December '23 | ICE 2-wheelers in July

How about hybrid automobiles. I suppose that will be considered ICE and will suffer the same outcome. We should also be aware that including Bangladesh, our neighbors, is experiencing a power shortage.
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Re: Chandigarh to pause petrol & diesel car registrations in December '23 | ICE 2-wheelers in July

The Chandigarh administration should work with the Punjab and Haryana governments and make the road tax uniform in all the three states.
Many of the residents of Mohali and Panchkula although not residing in Chandigarh manage to get their vehicles registered in Chandigarh to take advantage of lower road tax and Chandigarh administration is helpless in this matter .On top of this, the large number of used car dealers in tricity also re register the old cars bought from Delhi NCR in Chandigarh.This all leads to the petrol car registration quota getting used up leaving the genuine Chandigarh citizens helpless.
The government must act to stop this malpractice.
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Old 13th June 2023, 12:04   #18
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It will be a revenue negative scheme for chandigarh administration as people will get the cars registered in nearby states and continue using the ICE cars. Also Chandigarh does not have the charging infrastructure to support such bizarre policies.
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Well well, this gives CH have the 'unique' distinction of being the first to ban (albeit temporarily) ICE registrations, even before environmentally conscious Nordic countries!

I wonder what is the trigger at a babu level to bring out such a ban (I cannot fathom it to be love for the environment, much as I would want to). Some missed quota for EV registrations linked to their bonuses perhaps
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Old 13th June 2023, 12:33   #20
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I really doubt if this will reduce traffic in Chandigarh. It's part of the tricity and Panchkula or Mohali don't seem to be a different city. You cross two roads and will be in a different city/state.

Haryana and Punjab for that matter do not have such a policy and people would happily buy a HR03 or PB65 registration for that matter.

In Chandigarh, if you've got the money, you've surely got everything and this policy will not deter them from adding a machine to their garage.
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Well, another knee-jerk response from the Govt.

I don't see how this is going to solve any issues other than being a test bed to gauge public reaction and administrative issues associated with such a move. People would happily get their ICE cars registered in Punjab or Haryana. And Chandigarh or India, in general, does not seem to have the required EV infrastructure to support the aftermath of such legislation. So instead of a regulatory approach to make people adopt EVs, a service-based approach of providing adequate basic EV infrastructure should be the main strategy in encouraging people to adopt EVs.
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If the government is so much hell bent on phasing out the ICE vehicle then why they just don't stop the supply of the petrol-diesel? Why are new petrol pumps being allotted on the regular basis? The coal and the petroleum are the two major sources of the energy in this county. Are there some business tycoons who are in the business of the petroleum and the coal and getting constant favors? Well, who controls the media - the tool used for manipulate the mind and building opinions. Common people just easily take all the BS in the name of saving environment or saving something else so who cares.

Anybody ever thought why so many similar sized smartphones have thousands types of batteries which are not shared even between the other models of the same company? Same story with other e-gadgets. When battery dies, people are forced to throw away the otherwise perfectly working device and have to buy new one.

Why no govt in the world so far restricted any e-gadget manufacturer to make sure the similar sized devices will have to share the batteries with common designs which can be shared between different models of different brands! Why the governments are not ensuring those batteries will be manufactured and supplied by some third party vendors which will have to ensure that if the chemical formula of the battery is changed in the future, the design of the battery housing will not be changed. The batteries should be designed in such a way that even newer models of the smartphones and gadgets will be forced to chose the batteries from the available sizes and the designs. Why only consumers are forced to compromise everything?

Same challenges will arise with the electric cars, they will also turn into the use-and-throw gadgets once their battery will die. No wonder if the car service stations will throw such excuses like "sir the battery of this model is discontinued by the company since the model is also replaced by the new generation (we get new generations of the cars every 5-7 years you know), so better get a new car".

Our Govt has already managed to convince us (forcefully) that the cars have life span of 10-15 years only, thanks to the NGT car-ban rules in the name of saving environment.

NGT just doesn't care how many resources from the earth are exploited in the manufacturing of a new car which is going to replace the perfectly working similar car which was just banned by them. NGT - the only messiahs of the environment, we know.

Gone are the days when car could be easily kept for 20-30 years. Today you buy the car to just get its value turn into zero within 10-15 years. The moment you buy the car, you have to start saving for the next car which you will have to buy after 10-15 years.

Anybody ever cared that tires are major components of a vehicle which have to be thrown away just after 5-10% of the usage. There are so many questions related to the environment if anybody really cares.

Imagine similar dumpyards of the batteries after a decade and their effect on the environment:

Inside the haunting graveyard filled with 42 million tires

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If the government is so much hell bent on phasing out the ICE vehicle then why they just don't stop the supply of.......

Anybody ever thought why so many similar sized smartphones have thousands types of batteries..............
Completely echo your message. Unfortunately, nobody's listening to us, and no one cares for the environment among the policy makers. As long as their A/c's run fine, that is.
Now, in mobile phone world, they've even started phasing out memory card slots for (I think) the same reason, with the exception of Sony, Nokia and LG (LG mobile no longer exists though).

I do hope we can have a scheme whereby we allow registrations for longer periods of time, without interruption.
And considering people's earning capacities, its ok to increase prices of vehicles with extended registrations, and promised support and original spare parts.
It can have a name like "Aajivan" scheme or something, not to mention, the service center ecosystem will rejoice. Initially, manufacturers can enroll their most reliable products for it, eventually moving on their entire product range.

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Coming to this decision, its the kind of decision a 13 year old takes when appointed the mayor of a city by some painting competition. This is as much as my diplomacy goes.

The effects we'll see are: second hand market might see a boost, people will register vehicles from nearby towns, employment (and other) questions will arise with existing dealerships who don't have electric products yet, and with charging infrastructure not sufficient yet, we'll see a rise in unnecessary road side assistance businesses.

What they should've done is let the market decide. And if congestion is to go by, they could've reduced number of vehicles per family, by having a parking space condition on ownership of cars.
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What is the source to this? I had like to read more.

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Does not work for India. Automobile industry is a major employer in India unlike in Singapore. 10% of all our industrial output is linked to the automobile.
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I do hope we can have a scheme whereby we allow registrations for longer periods of time, without interruption.
If they can't be questioned for not respecting their own 15 years registration and can ban the car after 10 years then I am not going to trust them either for the life-time registration.

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The effects we'll see are: second hand market might see a boost,
Actually opposite of it has already started happening. Result - more looses of jobs, why only let the AI take all the credit of job losses, we are humans and superior to the AI - say the government policy makers. If cars do not hold validity of 10-15 years then who is going to buy them used with the validity of only 2-3 or 5 years left with them?

Used car startups take a U-turn as sales remain sluggish

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And if congestion is to go by, they could've reduced number of vehicles per family, by having a parking space condition on ownership of cars.
There is already a rule of showing the photo proof of the appropriate private parking space while registering the cars in our city. But we all know about the driving skills of the drivers getting driving licenses from these RTOs, same applies to their parking rules. in reality people park the cars outside on the roads. Many big buildings are constructed without proper parking spaces, especially the commercial buildings.

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Old 13th June 2023, 19:32   #26
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Hmm interesting... (Puts on flame suit) I'm actually happy that there will be a lull before new registrations since it has gotten almost impossible to drive in Chandigarh with so many vehicles coming in from almost all neighboring states and new vehicles getting registered at a high rate everyday.

There was a discussion of constructing flyovers and widening the roads etc. a couple of years back but that would ruin the original plan of Chandigarh because obviously the 'babus' will only end up ruining what Le Corbusier created. I'd rather have the original congestion free Chandigarh from 20 years back than any new construction to accommodate new vehicles. Because wherever they have tried to tamper with the plan in Chandigarh, they have actually ruined it big time.

Moreover, I love the pre 2012 raw/analog vehicles with driver engagement and have no fascination for modern feel-less touchscreens on 4 wheels anyway
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It is a good step to keep encouraging shift away from ICE cars over the long term. But it should be a cogent policy which allows consumers, manufacturers and dealers to plan for the shift instead of being surprised and having to take reactive steps due to knee jerk decisions.

Automobile manufacturing is a big business in india and there is a whole ecosystem of dealers, component manufacturers, factory workers, sales and service teams who will be impacted and that must be considered when driving this shift to EVs.

As a consumer, it will be good to know what is the horizon for ICE cars as per government, It would inform my purchase decision. Manufacturers, Component Suppliers and Dealers need to tool up for the shift and retrain, recruit or retrench staff humanely.

From a long term perspective for EVs, if the government is serious, is it advising builders to ensure adequate charging points in new construction buildings for the coming EV boom. Because public charging infra will be strained since each EV will occupy a charging point for far longer time than in case of ICE cars and 2 wheelers at petrol pumps. How will the crowding be managed?

The country needs a vision to drive this move to EVs and make low emission public transport more efficient and integrated to reduce the need for personal mobility.
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I would like to see governments set the examples for themselves first by asking their rank and file to abandon their official lal batti ICE cars , and switch to pure EV Green batti, if you will

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While it may seem myopic & short-sighted, this may be the only way to implement macro policies in a diverse & non-conforming country such as ours.

The administration does not expect to reach full conformity by the stated deadline, but now the whole ecosystem will start moving in this direction & the deadlines will keep getting extended, till full implementation is reached [e.g. FastTag].

Plus, residents can now actively question the supporting infra & state subsidies citing this near sight first deadline & rather monitor state progress on key implementation metrics.

Chandigarh is probably a good case study to implement this, given the limited population & comparatively progressive gentry.
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Very worrying (for ICE car enthusiasts) strategy!

Could very well be adopted by other states or UTs, and end up in a Singapore style Certificate of Entitlement thing where car buyers have to ‘bid’, i.e. fork out a huge fee for the right to own a car.
I second your thoughts. I hope it doesn’t turn out like this but if this quota system is adopted by other states then not only for VIP numbers but for general ICE registration we will have to bid.
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