[Redex]

London U.K. An electric rickshaw has burst into a huge fire ball metres from Buckingham Palace at about 12:30 p.m. yesterday Saturday 30th March 2024. Still not convinced BEVs are the way to go !!!

[anjan_c2007]

Happened yesterday at midday 12.44 pm local time in London according to The Guardian. The videos were shared by Greg Double on X:-

https://twitter.com/Dubstep1988/stat...05VTT_0NQ&s=09

https://twitter.com/Dubstep1988/stat...JgkmrlLvA&s=19

Firefighters and police rushed instantly to the location. The fire reached four feet in height and was accompanied by a loud explosion according to witnesses.

The newslink:-

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...kingham-palace

Taught me a lesson to not park our cars and two wheelers in parking lots near EV's if suitable, alternative parking places are available away from these.

[volkman10]

Tata Motors electric ACE delivery vehicle catches fire.


Link (Tata ACE electric LCV spied during ad shoot)

[Raeger]

I purchased an Okaya electric scooter last year. One of the reasons for this was the battery is Lithium Ferrous Phosphate (LFP) and some research by me and my son revealed that fires in EVs that use LFP batteries are significantly lower(if not none). While I do not know for sure, I read that Tesla was switching /switched from Nickel-Manganese-Cobalt (NMC)NMC to LFP. I know the thread is for cars but my experience with the Okaya 2-wheeler itself is interesting. We used it less frequently since purchase but got the servicing done as per schedule. As luck would have it, while I was returning from the service center after the 2nd free service, it just stalled. I had to push it nearly a kilometer only to find that the battery was dead and needed to be replaced. Long story short, Okaya did a free battery replacement but the pain is unforgettable.

I came very close to buying a TATA Tiago EV in December 2023 but nature had other plans. I own a Hyundai Xcent 2014 AT and is in perfect condition for a 10-year-old car. My friend owns a Tiago EV and is very happy with it.

Also, wonder if EVs are safer to be used in relatively colder climates to prevent/avoid fires. The number of EV fires I believe is far less in places like Bangalore compared to hotter climates. Fires while charging are a completely different matter as that has to do with the circuitry and not necessarily the outside factors.

[volkman10]

Mumbai:

State comes up with fire safety guidelines for parking.

After several incidents of fire in parking lots, the state fire services department has come up with guidelines for fire safety of parking structures provided as per the Unified Development Control and Promotion Regulations 2020 and the Maharashtra Fire Prevention and Life Safety Measures Act, 2006.
They have suggested a ban on charging of electric vehicles in automated car parking towers, puzzle parking and basement parking among other things.

In many cases, fire tenders and rescue officials are not able to access the spot where fires occur. Hence, the guidelines state that there must be minimum marginal open space all around the plot for easy maneuverability of fire and rescue appliances and ambulances when emergencies arise.

Link:

[Jeroen]

There is no conspiracy of the global media about not reporting on EV fires.

Let’s get our fact straight; you are far more likely to have a fire in your ICE car than in an EV. Those are the statistics and that is also what all the insurers will tell you

The overall arching takeaway (from the data) is that the rate of fires happening is less for EVs than petrol or diesel cars, and quite substantially,” said James Edmondson, Research Director at Cambridge, England-based independent researcher IDTechEx in an interview.

Edmondson said various surveys showed EVs represented far less of the reported fires than might be expected given their market share. Estimates by the Phosphorous, Inorganic & Nitrogen Flame Retardants Association reported 55 fires per billion miles travelled in ICE vehicles and five fires per billion for EVs. A report from AutoinsuranceEX said EVs exhibited 61 times fewer fires per 100,000 sales than ICE vehicles

https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilwin...risk-charges/#

There is a difference though, where EV fires can be difficult to put out. However, with ICE car the chance of an explosion is larger.

If anything the media is guilty of reporting to wildly about these few EV fires without giving us the overal context compared to ICE fires

Jeroen

[DHARM]

Originally Posted by volkman10

Mumbai:

State comes up with fire safety guidelines for parking.

After several incidents of fire in parking lots, the state fire services department has come up with guidelines for fire safety of parking structures provided as per the Unified Development Control and Promotion Regulations 2020 and the Maharashtra Fire Prevention and Life Safety Measures Act, 2006.
They have suggested a ban on charging of electric vehicles in automated car parking towers, puzzle parking and basement parking among other things.

In many cases, fire tenders and rescue officials are not able to access the spot where fires occur. Hence, the guidelines state that there must be minimum marginal open space all around the plot for easy maneuverability of fire and rescue appliances and ambulances when emergencies arise.

Link:

These are guidelines for new buildings or even for old buildings? as old buildings cannot implement them secondly, it's ban of parking EV in basements henceforth in Maharashtra? even many malls have charging and parking facilities for EV's so will they ban it completely?

[DHARM]

Originally Posted by DHARM

These are guidelines for new buildings or even for old buildings? as old buildings cannot implement them secondly, it's ban of parking EV in basements henceforth in Maharashtra? even many malls have charging and parking facilities for EV's so will they ban it completely?

Cars cannot be charged even at slow charging rate in basements but can be parked? Also hybrid cars with large battery too pose similar risk so will they be allowed to park in the automated or basement areas?

Experts please advise

[volkman10]

Electric SUV catches fire near T1 Airport Terminal, Mumbai last night.
Driver was alone in the car, who managed to escape unhurt.




Link:

[DHARM]

Originally Posted by volkman10

Electric SUV catches fire near T1 Airport Terminal, Mumbai last night.
Driver was alone in the car, who managed to escape unhurt.

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looks like TATA Nexon, as usual, TATA Motors will do investigation and will not revert why this happened. Quite worrisome

[ferrarirules]

Originally Posted by volkman10

Electric SUV catches fire near T1 Airport Terminal, Mumbai last night.
Driver was alone in the car, who managed to escape unhurt.

Looks like a Nexon Max. A few thoughts from my end-

1. The fire looks to have been contained by the fire department. Kudos to them to handle an EV fire.
2. Looks like the car has brunt from the front which means the HV battery was not involved.
3. The fire doesn't have a tell tale signs for a Lithium battery burn.
4. Tata should look into the causes.

Rest checking my circles to get more details on the case.

[volkman10]

S Korea moves to ban EVs with fully charged batteries from parking garages.

- Government officials also want to restrict public chargers from topping up EV batteries to over 80% capacity.

- Strict new parking regulations for EVs are due to come into effect by the end of September.

-The rules come just weeks after a Mercedes-Benz EQE caught fire in the parking area of an apartment complex.

- EV owners aren’t happy, either. By capping charging, the government will effectively reduce the useable range of all EVs.

In addition to restricting access to underground garages to EVs that have been charged to less than 90%, the new rules will enforce a charging limit of 80% on rapid charges through South Korea’s capital city. There are also plans in place to enforce this charging cap on privately-operated chargers.

Of the 139 electric vehicle fires reported in South Korea over the past three years, only 26 have occurred while a car was charging. By comparison, 68 fires started when a vehicle was driving, while another 36 occurred when an EV was parked. In the case of the EQE which spontaneously combusted, it was parked and was not charging.

Link:

[DHARM]

Originally Posted by volkman10

S Korea moves to ban EVs with fully charged batteries from parking garages.

So it means EV cars over 90% won't be able to park in basement and mall parking areas and cars in the city won't be allowed to charge over 80% its conflicting as TATA Motors advises EV cars to be charged at 100% regularly to rebalance cells

Many EV car owners will be in a fix with this kind of regulations and new one will stay away until this is sorted out.

[electric_eel]

Originally Posted by volkman10

S Korea moves to ban EVs with fully charged batteries from parking garages.

This is silly, stupid and shows the lack of understanding of the issue. Or is it ? Need to see who was behind this law. Let us extend that logic to ICE cars (which are much more likely to catch fire) and insist that all ICE cars should be parked with their petrol tanks drained out. For hybrids may be one should keep their battery pack and fuel tank in separate locations (they are the worst when it comes to fire hazard).

[volkman10]

An Audi e-tron GT has reportedly caught fire while at a US dealership for servicing.



It’s unclear what the cause of the fire was.

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