[GoBabyGo]

Originally Posted by 07CR

Even in such cases we can atleast have a 15 amp socket installed, right ? Asking this because I will shift to a high rise apartment in September this year and I intend to buy an ev around 2027 or so.

Hi, I don't know of your city, but in Noida no society give 16A socket for EV charging due to fire safety precautions as most societies have car parking for residents at very close proximity between the cars. Beside to have even 16A socket one has to have spare meter load. Most societies give 3kW to 7kW load to residents depending on the size of the flat, which in most cases barely sufficient for.domestic usage.

You can talk to your builder to provide you atleast 9kW sanctioned load and wiring for your 16A socket for EV charging so that you will.be able to charge your EV daily.

[abhisheksahas]

As a Kona owner who has covered over 30,000 Kms over two years, here are my thoughts:

- The Creta EV Has disappointed me with the battery and range offering.

- The Kona with a 39 kWh battery pack (cell technology that could be about a 7-8 years older ) and yet it is rated for 456 KMS (by ARAI). I frequently get 360-390 Kms on a full charge, the base Creta EV is likely to do marginally worse, and the larger battery pack shod Creta EV is likely to do only marginally better.

- Range comparison (expected): Creta EV 42 kWh < Kona < Creta EV 52 kWh.

-For those who are stating that there are enough chargers, and the 350 Km range is sufficient (on the highway), you are partially correct, because the charging behaviour by our fellow country folks can feel selfish at times, power cuts can throw surprises, even roadworks and weather can can make you regret the lower range.

- If one is buying an EV in 2025, with an intent to use on the highway + city, and looking to spend about 20L ( give or take a few lakhs), I would recommend an EV that can do > 450 Kms, but preferably 550 Kms

I am recommending the above, as a solution that offers the owner a peace of mind, even considering drives that could day trips to locations about 200-250 Kms away.

- All upcoming highways will have high speed limits, therefore lesser range.

- The Creta brand has historically done well. But the Mahindra twins, upcoming ZS EV’s, TATA’s etc could make this a litmus test

- Unlike ICE cars, range is a significant detractor for a potential buyer, especially if the price is within the same range, brand name alone can only take you so far.

- Hyundai’s service center network is really good, BUT, but very few advisors, let alone service centers, are knowledgable to work on EV’s. It just means, we cannot take their wast service network for granted.

- The Kona being a CKD, always required parts to be centrally sourced and distributed. For the Creta EV, Hyundai needs to build SOP’s from scratch.

- The TATA’s and Mahindra are pretty much level pegged if not better positioned when it comes to service Center and part availability of EV’s.

I don’t intend to sound like a downer, but I just want to highlight that the Creta brand name is not going to have a walk in the park against significantly superior products. Buyer mentality has significantly altered in the past couple of years. Knowledge about vehicles is now democratised because of online channels.

I personally, expected the Creta EV to offer better, at least enough to warrant a discussion against the Mahindra Twins, for now, it looks like the Kona might be replaced by the XEV9E.

The last line was just wishful thinking, the Mrs. has already shot down the idea of an upgrade :(

[Comrade]

Dear Hyundai,

Please price your 42kWh squarely against Windsor. Maybe few thousands more for 4kWh additional capacity and appropriate markup for any additional features like V2L and ADAS. Also, please price 52kWh (I rounded for your marketing benefit) not more than a lakh higher than 42kWh. Else, you can rest assured that your EV will not find many buyers.

Regards,
An eagerly awaiting potential customer

[07CR]

Originally Posted by antz.bin

If Hyundai cannot price their EVs according to the EV competition, they can kiss their sales goodbye.

Well said. If they plan to launch it even at Creta ICE levels, I see it very tough for the EV version to be an even average seller.

Originally Posted by antz.bin

Creta dies have seen more use and more depreciation compared to XUV400/Tivoli dies.

Dies? What does this mean?

[antz.bin]

Originally Posted by 07CR

Even in such cases we can atleast have a 15 amp socket installed, right ? Asking this because I will shift to a high rise apartment in September this year and I intend to buy an ev around 2027 or so.

Check with your builder CRM/society RWA. If it is a new construction, there must be provisions to ensure charging availablility for all residents. I live in a high rise in Pune (no underground parking) but I see many chargers installed in allocated parkings. And the society is >10 years old, so it is not even new.

Originally Posted by 07CR

Dies? What does this mean?

I meant this meaning

[Flyingdutchman]

Originally Posted by 07CR

Expected better from Brand Hyundai on Brand Creta.

Maybe it's more of platform limitations. I mean, this platform on which they have launched Creta EV is more or less same since the launch of first Gen Creta. It can be modular only so much. Developing and bringing a brand new platform will need significant capital. Newly launched IPO (albeit a dud, nonetheless) will help with that. But in the meantime, they will cash in their Creta Cow. Let's see from Hyundai's prospective. EV numbers are not there yet to justify bringing global platform here at this price point. Till average Indian buyer warms up to EVs, this will do the job just fine.

[abhisheksahas]

Originally Posted by Comrade

Dear Hyundai,

Please price your 42kWh squarely against Windsor. Maybe few thousands more for 4kWh additional capacity and appropriate markup for any additional features like V2L and ADAS. Also, please price 52kWh (I rounded for your marketing benefit) not more than a lakh higher than 42kWh. Else, you can rest assured that your EV will not find many buyers.

Regards,
An eagerly awaiting potential customer

The Creta is positioned as a premium offering. I am going to try my best to wing this based on existing information. As you will see below, all the equivalent EV’s are priced at a slight premium over the automatics. All prices are ex-showroom and to my best knowledge ( per google ).

Nexon Petrol (Automatic): 9.5L - 15.5L
Nexon EV: 12.49L - 17.19L

Astor (Automatic): 14.33L-17.52L
ZS EV: 16.48-25.75L

Creta Pricing (Automatic): 15.85L-20.29L
Creta EV Pricing (expected): 17.9L onwards
MG Windsor EV: 9.99L-15.50L

BE6E Pricing: 18.9L onwards

[ottocycle]

I think Hyundai wasn't prepared for such VFM offerings from Mahindra. And had thought that Creta EV would be good enough for few years. But it feels very underwhelming in comparison with other born electric SUVs.

Hyundai and Kia should try bringing their born EV models. IMO Kia EV3 (or it's siblings) would be their best bet.

[07CR]

Originally Posted by SJ1211

Maybe Hyundai is taking the minimalistic route. they are playing to their strength rather than adding too much bling. This could also help them to keep costs in check! I see this more as Currv, Nexon & Windsor competitor and not competing the M&M twins which are for sure half a segment above

Well Curvv is already in the firing line of BE6E. The 55 KW variant of Curvv starts at 19.25L, whereas BE6E starts at 18.9L for the 50KW variant!

[abhisheksahas]

Originally Posted by 07CR

Well Curvv is already in the firing line of BE6E. The 55 KW variant of Curvv starts at 19.25L, whereas BE6E starts at 18.9L for the 50KW variant!

The Creta EV's starting prices are likely to be overcut the Currv EV by 50-100K, but the bigger issue is that the base Creta is rated for 390 Kms and the base Currv EV is rated for 500 Kms.In the real world, the 100+ Km range differential will prove substantial.

[kgt.v8]

CNG as a fuel that has been around for more than a decade. We still see cars waiting in queue waiting to fill CNG as compared to petrol/diesel cars. The time taken to fill CNG tank depends on CNG pressure and pump type (Standard station, Parent station or Sub station).


I understand that new EV charging stations are coming up, but I still feel EV charging infrastructure is not at a point where it can support too many EVs running on highways practically. I see Hyundai chargers showcased in Creta EV ad. I hope Hyundai is going to invest in EV charging infrastructure just like what Tesla did to get EV to mass market.


EVs take average 30 minutes to charge from 20% to 80% and most of chargers have space for 2-3 cars only. If all chargers are occupied or if one of the charger is not working, it leads to additional delays in long distance travel. Anxiety of running out of charge increases, if none of the chargers are in working state and you have to go out of way inside the city to charge your car.

Originally Posted by 07CR

Well Curvv is already in the firing line of BE6E. The 55 KW variant of Curvv starts at 19.25L, whereas BE6E starts at 18.9L for the 50KW variant!

I think you have a typo here as BE6 Pack1 starts with 59kWH battery pack. This is 4kWH battery pack and would definitely give slightly more range compared to Curvv.ev.


The electric car sales started to go down, when government put them in the same tax bracket as ICE cars. People will prefer an ICE car over EV, when on-road price of EV is same or more than the on-road price of ICE car as per my perspective and preferences shared by some of my colleagues.

[sse]

I feel Hyundai wanted to just throw their hat in EV ring more than anything else here. TATA threw Nexon in 2020 using their ICE platform while Mahindra later threw with XUV 400 - both being their close competitors.

But, Hyundai, when planning for Creta EV, did not expect the blitz from Mahindra who threw kitchen sinks with BE6 and 9E. Honestly, none saw that blitz coming. It was just out of syllabus for all.

Still, I would have preferred Hyundai plonking EV to a i20 or Venue before Creta. Agreed that Hyundai is their top selling, but that would have got them at a lower entry price point. TATA is yet to launch Harrier EV so hold up Creta EV to that. Or maybe they expected Harrier as next EV to Nexon from TATA stable, when planning for Creta, and not expect Curvv before Harrier?

It all comes down to pricing. Price it well, it might have few takers or spiller over customers. Only few while others might wait for options..

[GoBabyGo]

Hi BHPians, what are your thoughts on monthly EV passenger vehicle sale in India in coming years, for example my thoughts:

March 2025 - 15000 units per month from all the manufacturers
July 2025 - 18000 units per month from all the manufacturers
November 2025 - 20000 units per month from all the manufacturers

March 2026 - 25000 units per month from all the manufacturers
July 2026 - 30000 units per month from all the manufacturers
November 2026 - 35000 units per month from all the manufacturers

March 2027 - 40000 units per month from all the manufacturers
July 2027 - 45000 units per month from all the manufacturers
November 2027 - 50000 units per month from all the manufacturers

Do you think India EV market do better than the above numbers, if not, then why would companies invest heavily on EVs when the revenue & sale numbers are not likely to be impressive.

[Sids85]

I think there is a good mix of EV OEMs present now with reliable products. TATA and MG had the first mover advantage. Windsor and the BaaS has definitely changed the game. BYD has also lined up some good products in coming months. With Hyundai/Kia/Mahindra jumping into the mainstream EV market with mass market products, for potential EV buyers who were waiting at the fence, this is a good time to make their moves. As for the charging infra, it has definitely improved a lot than where it was 4 years ago. Range anxiety issues, though not completely out of the window but it has been addressed to quite a large extent with average of 450+km single charge range being provided on the new launches. Definitely foresee the transition to EV, from being a 2nd car to being the primary car within families happening faster now.

[jashjacob]

Originally Posted by GoBabyGo

Do you think India EV market do better than the above numbers, if not, then why would companies invest heavily on EVs when the revenue & sale numbers are not likely to be impressive.

The market can do good numbers when there is a mix of "good" options from all the brands from 12L-20L range.

Just see what windsor EV did for the EV market. Nexon is still selling what they are selling and Windsor is selling 3K+ units per month additionally which was not there at the same time last year.

If brands launch good products, taking advantage of the lower tax for the EV cars with good EV platform, it's bound to sell well.

Just last week on my trip on kerala, I found almost 1 out of 10 cars on the road were an EV. 2 out of every 10 cars parked in two of the malls I visited were EV.