[Guna]

Originally Posted by shankar.balan

lower on frills and high on function.

I think other than the ventilated seats, it comes with all modern features you can think of (of course no AWD and no independent rear suspension)

[WhiskeyTangoFox]

Originally Posted by ferrarirules

Woah!! This is true price war now. It is not only the new variant, the price of the existing variant "Excite" also reduced to Rs.19,98,000 ex showroom. This is the second cut in 6 months. The price is reduced by 2.88 lakhs. Net reduction in 6 months - Rs 3.33 lakh

Haha as someone with the 2021 ZS EV in the family, it is quite sad to see the
excessive margins. We paid 27L on Road for the car at the time. The newer cars have a lot more range, features and have gotten way cheaper as well.

Either way, this new variant is IMO the most VFM mid-segment electric car there is right now. The on-road cost for the executive variant is approximately 20.14L in BLR.

Add on, say, another lakh or so for accessories like Leather Seat Covers for all seats, Leather Wrap for the Steering Wheel, a Wireless Phone Charger/Car Link Kit and Sun shades, and you have a perfectly modern car with all the amenities you would want (with the exception of the panoramic sunroof obviously), with a proper safety net and good range as well!

[newenergy]

I recently taken a test drive of ZS EV and it’s a well sorted car with quality materials in dashboard. My only gripe was the 360 degree camera. The quality was abysmal. I was driving at evening time and the quality of the video feed was really bad for this price point. Apart from this everything else was great. I think acceleration was better than Atto 3.

[siren373]

This is happening globally. Prices have dropped like crazy across America and China. Im hoping this reflects to other cars like the ioniq 5 and the EV6 as well.

[ron178]

Originally Posted by aim120

This will also force Tata and BYD to price correct. BYD can easily get the price the Atto 3 below 30 lakh.

BYD AFAIK were already planning a new base variant for ATTO 3 in India or at least that is what some media outlets said.

[newenergy]

Originally Posted by ron178

BYD AFAIK were already planning a new base variant for ATTO 3 in India or at least that is what some media outlets said.

Yes, they are planning to launch the Atto 3 with 49.92 kWh. I got this information from the dealer as well but they said it is not confirmed yet.

If they can bring the current Atto 3 via the CKD route soon, they can price it more competitively.

[rknair]

BYD recently announced a base variant Atto 2 in China. This is a step lower configuration than Atto 3. There are rumours that they would launch this in India too.

[Hayek]

The cost of Lithium and Lithium Ion cells has fallen considerably.

See (https://www.reuters.com/markets/comm...ts-2023-12-01/ )

Some people mistakenly think lithium is rare - but there are plenty of resources around - people have been reluctant to develop them since they don’t know how prices will trend. That said we may see some volatility in prices since lithium supply demand will continue to be volatile over the next few years. But as more reserves are developed, and recycling technology improves, in my view, the long term price trend is down.

Further, the ZS now has LFP batteries rather than the costlier NMC batteries it originally had. Hence the price falls are not unnatural. That is the risk you take as an early adopter of a technology product.

Some people will see this as a disadvantage of EVs versus ICE vehicles - but the fact is that if EV prices fall, the resale value of all cars will be impacted - not just those of EVs.

Of course as those scale benefits kick in, governments will be tempted to increase their take - I would be surprised if GST is still 5% on EVs 5 years from now. So as with all products, don’t bother about how prices move going forward and enjoy something you were happy to pay for when you bought it. You don’t gain if prices of a car you bought rise and you don’t lose if they fall - unless you are a second hand car dealer.

[Ays7]

Originally Posted by Hayek

TSo as with all products, don’t bother about how prices move going forward and enjoy something you were happy to pay for when you bought it. You don’t gain if prices of a car you bought rise and you don’t lose if they fall - unless you are a second hand car dealer.

Very sensible advice. If you were happy with the product and the price you paid for it the day you purchased it, then enjoy the product regardless of fall in prices. Buyer's remorse should not come in your way of enjoying the vehicle and all that it offers. In this market, prices are wayward and uncertain and most of the times prices just move up. These are rare instances and should not come in your way of enjoying the car.

[Digital Vampire]

Originally Posted by Hayek

So as with all products, don’t bother about how prices move going forward and enjoy something you were happy to pay for when you bought it. You don’t gain if prices of a car you bought rise and you don’t lose if they fall - unless you are a second hand car dealer.

Well said!
Enjoy your purchase.

Also please do check the OTR pricing. Just like many previous instances, MG may very well be playing around with the Ex-Showroom pricing (by baking-in the 100 year Anniversary discounts which many of us received).

Its only a matter of time that MG ZS EV gets an update (the added features that Astor received are yet to trickle into ZS EV) or this may even be stock clearance before the facelift is introduced or MG4 gets launched.

[Iyencar]

The recent news of the price cuts got me interested in the ZS EV. I popped into a showroom near my factory to enquire. The sales guy had just got the brochure a day back so he had to refer to it but basically confirmed everything that’s already been mentioned here on the forum. There was a top end model for TDs. I got some spiel about how the JSW partnership was responsible for the price cuts. Other than that he was quite well informed and non pushy. Even offered me a very long TD in the top end variant that was available, (essentially as much range as was available in the car- 220 kms!). This was my first experience of an EV. Our other cars (all top end) are a Grand i10 MT petrol, BRV AT petrol and a facelifted Seltos AT diesel. Here are my impressions in no particular order:
Pros:
-Great fit and finish
-Nice view from the driver’s seat
-Ergonomic controls
- Decent front seats
- Great turning radius
-You get used to the car very quickly
- Loved the sealed underbody
Neutral:
- The whole “silent ride” thingy felt hyped. My two petrol cars aren’t really noisy and even the diesel Seltos is silent with the fantastic insulation
- The instrument cluster could be put to better use I feel. I don’t need a good chunk of the screen throwing out real time power readings on the right. Not sure if Gmaps can be projected here but if it can then that should help greatly. The really useful info like the km/kwh, the energy transfer, drive mode info, KERS stage etc. was a size too small
- Cabin space is ok. Not a deal breaker and not great
- MG no longer offers onsite charging in case of running out of juice
Cons:
- This did not feel like a 25L car by any stretch of the imagination. Forget the previous 27 L tag. Having said that the base Executive variant is decent value now considering what the competition is giving
- KERS 3 definitely does not help single pedal driving. The variant with ACC will probably be better for that. In fact I couldn’t tell the 3 regen levels apart much in terms of driving feel
- I probably expected too much from the Sport mode but it didn’t really feel “that” fast. Maybe my expectations needed to be tempered. All this talk of instant torque made me expect warp speed
- The cabin and the centre console in particular shows it’s age. Was comparable to the aftermarket unit on the BRV. The Seltos feels and probably is atleast a decade ahead in this regard
- Speaking of the Executive variant it seems unlikely there’s going to be any display models anytime soon. Dealer said they plan on indenting the base models on priority so they can get word of mouth publicity. Could be because I told him that’s the variant I wanted to see
- The charger is an extra 60k. Not sure if that’s for the base variant or all of them. Doesn’t the Nexon or XUV offer this in the price of the car? Regardless, something to keep in mind when calculating the OTR price
- The indicators and wiper switches are reversed. Annoying if you keep switching between cars
- Absolutely horrible cameras. Again no business in a 25 L car
- The TD car had 43 psi in one front tire and 27is in the others! Didn’t have time to put air so I couldn’t really gauge the true nature of the suspension
So to conclude, the Executive variant is all I will be ok buying. It is an incredible buy considering the fantastic mechanicals battery, range, with all the safety features coming standard. Some of the missing stuff like the parcel tray can be purchased as an official accessory. I’m anyways not a great fan of ADAS. The missing sharkfin antenna isn’t an accessory but one can buy it aftermarket if needed. Having said all this I doubt this price cut is going to set the sales chart on fire. Not everyone is going to be ok having a crappy cam or pumping the seat up and down manually, or looking at that centre console daily. This car needed a facelift yesterday. Kind of sad because the basics are done right so well.
At the end I took a pic of the instrument cluster.


-If I assume a rate of 10 Rs per unit then 5.5-6 km/kwh translates to less 2 Rs per unit, right?
- The tiny 3 on the right is the KERS level and the charge is next to it. This is what I meant when I said the text was too small
- Likewise for the mode and range on the left

Very keen on seeing a base model in the flesh now.

[ferrarirules]

Originally Posted by Iyencar

The charger is an extra 60k. Not sure if that’s for the base variant or all of them. Doesn’t the Nexon or XUV offer this in the price of the car? Regardless, something to keep in mind when calculating the OTR price

XUV400 and Nexon provide the 16A plug setup as standard with the car. If you want the 7.2 KW charger, it is Rs.50,000 extra.

[thomahawk]

Originally Posted by Iyencar

- The charger is an extra 60k. Not sure if that’s for the base variant or all of them. Doesn’t the Nexon or XUV offer this in the price of the car? Regardless, something to keep in mind when calculating the OTR price

Thanks for this piece of info. Guess they took that out of Tata's playbook. In cheaper models from Tata, a fast charger is an optional extra. Nexon LR varients have fast charger included I think. Guess they increased the price too; last time I checked, their charger was priced less than Tata's.

Since I switched to a Tiago EV from a Grandi10, I understand why you are underwhelmed by the silence. But the EV is silent no matter how much you push it - I think that is nice. I think it's better to wait out for the next set of EV's. ZS is a bit old now.

[Iyencar]

Originally Posted by ferrarirules

XUV400 and Nexon provide the 16A plug setup as standard with the car. If you want the 7.2 KW charger, it is Rs.50,000 extra.

Not sure I follow entirely. Are you talking about the portable charging cable? That’s standard with any EV I’m guessing?

Originally Posted by thomahawk

Thanks for this piece of info. Guess they took that out of Tata's playbook. In cheaper models from Tata, a fast charger is an optional extra. Nexon LR varients have fast charger included I think. Guess they increased the price too; last time I checked, their charger was priced less than Tata's.

This price was communicated verbally. I didn’t really see it written anywhere so please take it with a pinch of salt

Originally Posted by thomahawk

Since I switched to a Tiago EV from a Grandi10, I understand why you are underwhelmed by the silence. But the EV is silent no matter how much you push it - I think that is nice.

I did find it silent, just not as good as my possibly inflated expectations were. Maybe long runs is where one really feels the impact of the silence.

Originally Posted by thomahawk

I think it's better to wait out for the next set of EV's. ZS is a bit old now.

See a few months back I was of the same opinion. But the new LR Nexon, Punch, XUV400 pros and the price cut ZS’ have really changed the scene, especially if the EV is a second car. They have sorted out any major issues, have everything one would need in a cabin, and completely given peace of mind with regards to city driving and nearby interstate driving trips. If we wait, we’ll probably lose out on the road tax benefits, deal with brand new cars from the Indian manufacturers who have a history of beta testing on customers and/or pay more for sorted EVs from the Hyundais, Kias and MGs all in the name of freshness.

[ferrarirules]

Originally Posted by thomahawk

Nexon LR varients have fast charger included I think.

Originally Posted by Iyencar

Not sure I follow entirely. Are you talking about the portable charging cable? That’s standard with any EV I’m guessing?

I am talking about the box in the image below. This comes as standard with every Tata car.





If you want an AC fast charger(7.2 KW) as shown in image below, it is an extra cost of Rs. 50,000. Dealer can portray it as Model saying the car is Empowered Plus LR + Fast Charger and include the price of charger in it.



Now coming to MG, they were earlier including the 7.2 KW charger as standard with their car. I think now they have gone the Tata route of not including the 7.2 KW charger as part of the car price.