[Hawk4]

Originally Posted by wocanak

Did you find any reference for the number of charge cycles for LiPo? I searched briefly but couldn't find any reliable info.

This commonly cited paper has data for charge cycle vs capacity drop for LFP, NCA and NMC (Figure 1):
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/1...45-7111/abae37

Another unknown is impact of relatively high temperature climate, here again LFPs are supposed to be better.

Hence I am thinking LFP has the least battery risk with EVs in India.

I came across some research articles with conflicting assertions about the various chemistries utilised in lithium ion batteries. With more data, below report appears more impartial.
On the Current and Future Outlook of Battery Chemistries for
Electric Vehicles

LFP appears superior for Indian conditions, as you said. But I believe that any battery should work just fine for my estimated 20k km annual usage for the lifetime of the vehicle.

[wocanak]

Originally Posted by Hawk4

I came across some research articles with conflicting assertions about the various chemistries utilised in lithium ion batteries. With more data, below report appears more impartial.
On the Current and Future Outlook of Battery Chemistries for
Electric Vehicles

LFP appears superior for Indian conditions, as you said. But I believe that any battery should work just fine for my estimated 20k km annual usage for the lifetime of the vehicle.

Thanks for the reference, this is good input with lot of information, but it doesn't directly give any charge cycles vs capacity reduction. Also it says Kona has NMC battery (page 5, Table 1). But Hyundai guys clearly said its Lithium Polymer and not NMC, I wonder what it really is.

If it is NMC we know it is ~2000 cycles or at least 1500 and even that is good for like 4,50,000 kms.

[Hawk4]

Originally Posted by wocanak

Thanks for the reference, this is good input with lot of information, but it doesn't directly give any charge cycles vs capacity reduction. Also it says Kona has NMC battery (page 5, Table 1). But Hyundai guys clearly said its Lithium Polymer and not NMC, I wonder what it really is.

If it is NMC we know it is ~2000 cycles or at least 1500 and even that is good for like 4,50,000 kms.

Either polymer electrolyte or liquid electrolyte can be used to manufacture NMC batteries. Using gel-like polymers provides some advantages, such as improved protection against anode/cathode short circuit, higher specific energy, etc. These are often formed in the shape of a pouch and can withstand higher stress, flexible designs are also possible.

[wocanak]

Originally Posted by Hawk4

Either polymer electrolyte or liquid electrolyte can be used to manufacture NMC batteries. Using gel-like polymers provides some advantages, such as improved protection against anode/cathode short circuit, higher specific energy, etc. These are often formed in the shape of a pouch and can withstand higher stress, flexible designs are also possible.

In that case shouldn't it be marked as Lithium-ion polymer-C/NMCxxx, like it says for Hyundai ioniq, Kia Niro/Soul EV, in the same table?

Anyway, guess Kona is then either normal or polymer NMC, so good for 1,500 cycles/4,50,000 kms. But on the flip side, NMC is not so great for hot climates.

[Hawk4]

Originally Posted by wocanak

In that case shouldn't it be marked as Lithium-ion polymer-C/NMCxxx, like it says for Hyundai ioniq, Kia Niro/Soul EV, in the same table?

Anyway, guess Kona is then either normal or polymer NMC, so good for 1,500 cycles/4,50,000 kms. But on the flip side, NMC is not so great for hot climates.

But Hyundai made it clear, especially in the owners manual, that it was a polymer type. Yes, it should last at least 1500 cycles. Age has an impact on lithium battery life as well. Even if a battery isn't used, its capacity slowly degrades.

[Hawk4]

Also, the Kona costing 6L less OTR than the MG Exclusive, in comparison. I am therefore good even if I decide to replace the battery after 8 years. Because of this, I want to get Kona rather than an MG.

I liked the minimalistic and good quality interior in Kona along with all small features. MG has good road presence compared to Kona and better battery technology. I will miss Hyundai blue link when Kona facelift comes next year.

[wocanak]

Originally Posted by Hawk4

Also, the Kona costing 6L less OTR than the MG Exclusive, in comparison. I am therefore good even if I decide to replace the battery after 8 years. Because of this, I want to get Kona rather than an MG.

I liked the minimalistic and good quality interior in Kona along with all small features. MG has good road presence compared to Kona and better battery technology. I will miss Hyundai blue link when Kona facelift comes next year.

Makes sense. Good luck, go for it and update us here.

[XRoader_001]

Hyundai unveils Kona Facelift 2024 line up.

[Hawk4]

Originally Posted by XRoader_001

Hyundai unveils Kona Facelift 2024 line up.

Wow! This looks super cool. Closer to Ioniq styling and pure electric form. But it may come to India by 2026.

[Hawk4]

Hi all- Where can i check latest firmware updates for Kona?

[sheelRP]

Hi friends! Finally sold my 1999 Daewoo Matiz and bought Hyundai Kona. Beautiful car and happy with the battery range and mind boggling torque and power. Except for little firm ride and back seat comfort , the car looks good to ride and munch miles.

[Hawk4]

Originally Posted by sheelRP

Hi friends! Finally sold my 1999 Daewoo Matiz and bought Hyundai Kona. Beautiful car and happy with the battery range and mind boggling torque and power. Except for little firm ride and back seat comfort , the car looks good to ride and munch miles.

Congrats on getting Kona and welcome to the EV club. Yes, Kona is great car and VFM buy after discounts.

[vij]

I read some reports of 2023 launch, but looked speculative. Anyone knows about the 2023 model launch?

Originally Posted by Hawk4

Wow! This looks super cool. Closer to Ioniq styling and pure electric form. But it may come to India by 2026.

Is your source reliable or is it your guess?

[Hawk4]

Originally Posted by vij

Is your source reliable or is it your guess?

Thats my guess only and no official source. Yeah there is a possibility of launching it in India along with global launch to have another competitive and new model in their EV portfolio. That will also help people to forget about existing Kona battery recall issue.

[sheldon.dz]

Originally Posted by Hawk4

Congrats on getting Kona and welcome to the EV club. Yes, Kona is great car and VFM buy after discounts.

Congrats on getting the Kona, been driving this car since 2019 and never regretted the purchase even if it cost a premium back then.

The battery recall did effect early buyers but after the replacement everything has been super. Even yearly service costs are really cheap for a 25L car.